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Quote# 6452

I was listening to KNEW 910 San Francisco and a gay caller called in and said that everything was going according to plan with the gay agenda. He also said they'll be running things within ten years and warned if anything happened to derail gay marriage, that America should be ready for massive gay riots.

Larry, Rapture Ready 20 Comments [3/1/2004 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 36255

I have taught my children that many people are confused about evolution and that it is not correct to teach it at school to the kids, but even if I told the teachers, the law of the country says that evolution must remain in the syllabus. So long as it is so, then nothing I say or suggest will move them to teach creationism. You have given me an idea, perhaps all Christians around the world should petition and lobby for the teaching of evolution to be scrapped altogether and creationism taught instead at schools. Darwin who came up with the theory of evolution, himself renouced evolution and admitted that he was hugely mistaken just before he committed suicide. Why that very important piece of information has been swept under the carpet and ignored by half the world over boggles my mind completely.

DM, Yahoo! Answers 73 Comments [3/14/2008 5:39:05 PM]
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Submitted By: TheOutsider

Quote# 125674

Concerning the recently-passed bill that allows Idaho parents to deny children life-saving medical care

Committee Chairman Jeff Siddoway, R-Terreton, who was the tiebreaking vote to move the bill on to the full Senate, gave a passionate description of his own faith.

“I certainly believe in divinity and I think that our Lord Jesus Christ can intervene,” he said. “I’m sure many in this room have witnessed miracles. Those children that have gone on, they’re probably where we’re all trying to get. They’re there. They’ve got it made. If we can just live a righteous life, one day we’ll be with them again. But I think this bill comes as close as we can come right now in trying to intervene.”

Jeff Siddoway, Idaho Statesman 9 Comments [3/23/2017 4:58:36 PM]
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Quote# 1317

Because there is no other God's but the God of Heaven and Jesus Christ, His Son. Ok, answer this: When you pray MagnaGei, do you get a answer from your god(s)? I do when I pray to my God in the name of Jesus.

BurningSon, POD Warrior Forum 8 Comments [11/1/2002 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 125664

You have to be kidding me?!: Terror attacks are part of living in big city, says London Mayor Sadiq Khan

Sadiq Khan: London mayor says terror attacks 'part and parcel' of living in a major city
Sadiq Khan has said he believes the threat of terror attacks are “part and parcel of living in a big city” and encouraged Londoners to be vigilant to ...
independent.co.uk


Donald Trump Jr., Twitter 6 Comments [3/23/2017 4:57:54 PM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 125662


(in answer to it having been pointed out that fallacious arguments fail)

If the premise(s) for the arguments are themselves incoherent or fallacious, the charge of incoherent/fallacious will be itself incoherent/fallacious.

Sword of the Spirit, Religion and Ethics 9 Comments [3/23/2017 4:56:06 PM]
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Quote# 125663

Sunnis vs Shia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVmZin6hRNU
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Shia are invading our homes with kafir help and alliances, killing our sons raping our women crushing our children, and we think debating them on TV is a success?

Btw this video is at least 6 years old, if not older. The reality of Muslims is the regimes over us intentionally obstruct Islam for kufr which allows for Shia to grow. When Muslims prefer secular ideologies to Islam the devilish Shia grow. Hence secular ideologies have dominated Iraq & Syria for 30+ yrs and now demonic Shia dominate these lands.

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Shi'as always get humiliated in debates with the true Muslims.

Interesting that the '12th Imam' was mentioned in the video. I read some Shi'a narrations where the Shi'as' so-called Mahdi will kill the Sunnis. (Us!)

Never will we unite with the Rawafilth, just look at their crimes and hatred against us.
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These nonsenses are not Sahih.
Which one of those imams killed Sunnies that now you expect the twelfth one does this !?
Sunnies and Shias fought besides each other for those imams. However at that time such classification (Sunni,Shia) would not exist but the thoughts and beliefs existed.
Whoever stands against Mahdi he in fact ruins himself he is beyond the sects rather he is beyond the religions, he is the saviour of humanity.
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The Shias are led by the Iranians.

And the Sunnis are led by the Saudis and Gulf nations.

Both are motivated by greed and a lust for power. Its unfair to say the Kafirs have helped the Shias alone, the Kafirs have supported both the Shias and Sunnis - its just that the Shias have been able to manipulate things in their favour.

One on one, the Iranians would annihilate the Saudis and Gulf nations - and this is playing out in the Mid-East now.

Sunnis need to change tactics.
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I don't agree with your assessment. The Shia are led by Iran, but the Tawaghit powers have been using the Shia against the Muslim Ummah sincerely the 1800s ce.

First, the British built modern Iran after the Persian dynasty was defeated by the Russian empire. Russia essentially had the Persian at knife point and then turned them over to Britain. Britain built modern Iran and used their Occult Masonic knowledge to empower Iran to being an agent of their world order.

After WW2, America replaced Britain as the Taghut power directing the Iranian dog.
The Shia rise to power in Iran was the design of America and France helped America accomplish this.

Iran, the Shia leader, is a tool of America functioning as a mechanism of the American led Taghut world order.

As for the Sunnis,
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Kaafir kaafir shia kaafir
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Its this attitude that has led ummah at this stage...Blame game.Not once we recognise "ours" mistskes and find logics and explainations for our ancestors wrong doings...And when presently there is a time for unity we are busy igniting the events by believing the propagandas..The level of muslims believing twitters by others is baffling..The level of hypocrisy of gulf countries and some western propagandas and muslims believing them needs to change or they wont find a single ground to stand on in near future...Definitly wars ll not spare sunnis and shias alike besides non muslims but dying without knowing ll be painful to see...
Govts are sold out following the pages of "others" prophecies..Sunnis by and large can do whatever they want but upto them but we choose the path of sunni shia unity.It doesnt bother us a bit if either sunnis stand against our decisions or rawafids...They can do what they want and we ll do what we think is right.




various, ummah.com 4 Comments [3/23/2017 4:56:55 PM]
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Submitted By: Mister Spak

Quote# 125657

Good morning everyone I hope guys are excellent! as always it is a great honor and joy to my heart to speak with you all :0) Do you know what witchcraft is? Witchcraft is seeking help or guidance from any spiritual source other than God. There are only two sources of spiritual power: God or Satan. Ultimately there is only ONE source of power because the only power Satan has is that which God has given him (Luke 4:6). If it’s not the power of God’s Holy Spirit, then you are dealing with the devil. It’s as simple as that everyone. Anytime you here someone using words like “spirits” or “spiritual” without mentioning Jesus Christ or the Bible, run as fast as you can. The devil is a spirit, just as God is a Spirit. Our battles in this life (according to the Bible) are ultimately against the devil (Ephesians 6:12). The devil works inside people’s hearts to lead them to do horrible things. The devil can’t make anyone do anything, but he inspires them with evil to the point where they do his will without hesitation. This is a 32 hour teaching please go over and watch every thing even if it’s over days.

Anonymous, Light Way Art 14 Comments [3/22/2017 9:48:36 PM]
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Submitted By: PETF

Quote# 125668

When we went in the store, it felt off, as if something had changed in the store, but we weren’t sure what it was or where it had come from.

As we shopped, we kept our eyes out for whatever it was that had changed.

Then my son came to me asking me for a band aid. He showed me a small cut on his hand that was bleeding.

So I gave him one, and he put it on his hand.

Then just a few minutes later, he came to me again, this time needing two more band aids for bleeding cuts.
I found two more band aids and gave them to him. Again, he put them on.

I asked him what he was touching, that would cause cuts on his hands, but he said he was looking at clothes, and did not know how or why his hands had started to bleed. He said he came to me for the band aids because he didn’t want to get the clothes all bloody.

We looked at his hands again, and found that just within the time that we’d been talking, there were several more small cuts in both hands that were starting to bleed. The cuts were in the natural creases of the hand.

As I tried in vain to search for more band aids, the Lord told me to get out of the store.

But I kept looking for the band aids, thinking that he would need them anyways, and I was already in the process of searching through out my purse for them.

But again, I heard the voice from within almost shout at me: “Get out!”

So I stopped looking and ushered him outside.

As we were leaving, we looked back into the store, and seen a huge altar sitting there right in the middle of the store.

We had not seen it as we went in, for the store was busy, and several people had been standing in front of it. People had also put stuff on top of the altar, so it was not very noticeable close up.

But from a distance, now that the people had cleared out, one could see it.

It looked like the kind of altar one would find in a massive Roman Catholic church, complete with a large X with a P going through it, and the letters JHS on its side. It looked like it had first been built in the seventies.

That is what our eyes told us. But the spirit in both of us knew without a doubt, that this altar had once been used for satanic sacrifices and ritual works. We guessed that it had been in a Roman Catholic church at one time, and then had been used by a satanic coven. Now the coven no longer wanted it, and so it was now for sale at the second hand store.

My son was trying hard not to cry. He told me that he could sense the death that had come upon the victims that were once offered up and killed upon that altar to satan.

By the time we left that store, my son’s hands were slippery with blood. Many more wrinkles on both the inside palms of his hands had begun to bleed. The band aids wouldn’t even stay on; there was just too much blood.

But just minutes after we left the building, my son’s hands simply stopped bleeding.

A half hour after that, all signs of cuts or bleeding, were gone. No infection had set in. It was as if it had never even happened.

Dreams of Dunamis, Dreams of Dunamis 19 Comments [3/23/2017 2:09:46 PM]
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Quote# 125644

Katy Perry—the Babylonian, big-breasted, Baphomet, blasphemous-bimbo—recently said that she is NOT a Christian and thinks Heaven is “a hoax.” Katy Perry began her trainwreck career of sleaze as a Gospel singer. Talk about a loser and sell-out! I guess Satan has done more for Katy Perry than God has. God keeps us all breathing. God gives us the awesome delicious foods that we eat and the taste buds and health to enjoy it all. What has the Devil ever done for you? God offers you eternal life through faith in Jesus Christ, but Satan can only offer you the world until your earthly life is over; then God will judge you (Hebrews 9:27).

Who would want to follow a total loser in God's eyes like Katy Perry? This Illuminati-favorite, slithering servant of Satan, stripper-singer, promotes satanism as being “cool” to preteens and teens. Ke$ha, Rihanna, Miley Cyrus (Manly Virus), Kanye (Pest) West, Kim (Kartrashian) Kardashian... THESE ARE GOD'S ENEMIES (James 4:4). You will become like those you hang around. Do you want to be like God's enemies? Do you want to become God's enemy too? I wouldn't recommend it if you're smart. Sadly, many professed Christians today are naive and indifferent concerning the evil threat of witchcraft to our youth...

There is an Independent Baptist Church down the street from where I live. They are NOT fundamental. They have a big Christian school of 1,000 students. They also have their own local radio station. I was listening to their radio station the other day. The associate pastor runs the radio station and was interviewing one of their students-of-the-week. I was saddened to hear him ask her if she had read the Harry Potter Series, and she affirmed that she had. Literally, this shameful pastor was promoting and endorsing Harry Potter's witchcraft. The same church has an impressive teen orchestra, but they perform Walt Disney theme songs; such as, Aladdin, The Lion King and other songs. Walt Disney is a filthy sex-perverted group. This so-called “ministry” has a big Christian school with a church on the side. They have a great music program, but no preaching. I had attended for one year, but then they told me to stop passing out sermons by Dr. Hyles, Dr. Younce and Dr. Lacy or they would ask me to leave. I told them that as a faithful Christian they had forced me to make a decision that I didn't want to make, rather than sinfully compromise the truth. You can read the full story here. I prayerfully know they will weep bitter tears in eternity at The Judgment Seat of Christ. Harry Potter is of the Devil and churches ought not be promoting such wickedness to children.

If you've ever spoken with someone who was a serious drug addict, they can tell you of the demonic experiences they had while high on drugs. I have talked with such people who claim that they saw demons and unbelievable nightmares. Drugs and alcohol are gateways into the demonic spirit world. Those who engage in substance abuse are inviting demons to infiltrate and control their mind. Often, drug abuse is intentionally used in witchcraft to make contact with demons. And in case you didn't know, the witch's broomstick is a sexually offensive symbol, symbolizing the male phallus.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 36 Comments [3/22/2017 12:57:34 PM]
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Quote# 125655

On Tuesday, a teenage boy in Pennsylvania filed a lawsuit against his school district in federal court because he doesn’t want to share a locker room with a transgender student.

The teen, known in the lawsuit as “Joel Doe,” claims that using the same locker room as a trans student has caused him “embarrassment and humiliation.” He is asking for damages and he wants the school district to rescind its current policy that allows trans students to use the restroom or locker room that corresponds with their authentic gender identity.

According to HuffPost’s Kim Bellware, Doe believes “unconsented exposure to persons of the opposite sex in various states of undress creates a sexually harassing, hostile environment,” which violates his rights under the federal Title IX law that prohibits sex discrimination.

Joel Doe, Huffington Post 29 Comments [3/22/2017 4:05:30 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 125595

The Family Research Council’s Tony Perkins and Liberty Counsel’s Mat Staver are among the anti-equality Religious Right leaders coming to the defense of the Trump administration, which has been under fire for naming officials from two anti-LGBTQ groups to an official US delegation at the United Nations.

As we reported last week, the Trump administration appointed representatives from C-Fam, formerly the Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute, and the Heritage Foundation to the official US delegation to the United Nations Commission on the Status of Women. Advocates for the human rights of LGBTQ people have criticized the appointments, noting among other things that C-Fam’s record of anti-gay extremism had led to its classification as an anti-LGBTQ hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. The Heritage Foundation plays a major role in promoting Religious Right resistance to legal recognition for LGBTQ people, including laws that protect them from discrimination on the job.

Staver’s statement, published on Friday, laughably claims that C-Fam and the Heritage Foundation are “thoughtful” groups that “do not demean people with whom they disagree.” In reality, C-Fam’s Austin Ruse continuously smears and demeans the people he disagrees with, portraying advocates for LGBTQ equality as “homofascists,” threats to children and families, enemies of freedom, and even Satan’s minions. Jim DeMint, the head of the Heritage Foundation, once said wants gay people barred from teaching in public schools.

Perkins says C-Fam and Heritage are “respected voices in the conservative movement who reflect the Trump administration’s values.” While that statement may be more accurate than Staver’s, it may also be even more disturbing for what it says about the hard-right values that are now being reflected in the Trump administration’s decisions.

Perkins goes on to dismiss the idea that the United Nations should be protecting the rights of vulnerable LGBTQ people:

"An even deeper problem is that these activists use the term “human rights” but have no clue what it means. The fact that the Left claims that “sexual orientation” and other terms are “human rights” isn’t rooted in anything higher than their own assertion. What gives them the right to define what it means? And why should their policy preference take preference? It doesn’t. Just because they cloak it as a “human right” won’t make it so. The only solution is to search for a standard common to all human beings as derived from a higher authority. Christians and conservatives are uniquely able to offer this. Thank goodness the Trump administration recognizes that and made sure they were represented at the U.N. in the first place."

C-Fam is so committed to resisting any recognition of the human rights of LGBTQ people in international agreements that it has teamed up with some of the world’s most repressive regimes in order to safeguard “traditional” notions of gender, family and marriage. C-Fam’s elevation by the Trump administration is the clearest signal yet that Trump will abandon the Obama administration’s crucial support for the human rights of LGBTQ people around the world.

Staver said C-Fam and Heritage “will come to the table genuinely seeking the best for women across the world.” That’s doubtful, given their support for the Trump administration’s drastic expansion of the “global gag rule,” which could have a devastating effect on public health measures and leave the world’s poorest women even more vulnerable.

Tony Perkins and Mat Staver, Right Wing Watch 10 Comments [3/21/2017 3:18:22 PM]
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Submitted By: No One In Particular

Quote# 125626


I believe that we (many of us...not everybody) have today reached a level of mental discipline and altruism only because of the teachings of religions and the discipline enforced by religions all these centuries. If religions did not exist we would today still be savages, fighting with one another with no sense of universal brotherhood or humanism or self control.

So...you have to thank religions for the discipline enforced on earlier generations ...such that today you have enough self control and sense of justice that you will not commit a fraud or a murder. But having said that, without law enforcement of today, how long this self discipline will last...no one can say.

We all need supervision....even today!

Sriram, Religion and Ethics 14 Comments [3/22/2017 7:11:24 AM]
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Submitted By: Nearly Sane

Quote# 125653

A Danish city has ordered pork to be mandatory on municipal menus, including for schools and daycare centres, with politicians insisting that the move is necessary to preserve the country's food traditions and is not an attack on Muslims.

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Noergaard, a member of the anti-immigration, populist Danish People's Party (DF) which proposed the council motion, said the measure was not meant as a "harassment of Muslims".

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"The signal we want to send here is that if you're a Muslim and you plan to come to Randers, don't expect you can impose eating habits on others. Pork here is on an equal footing with other food," Noergaard told the AP news agency.

Frank Noergaard, Al Jazeera 27 Comments [3/22/2017 9:48:23 PM]
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Submitted By: Miles Gloriosus

Quote# 125658

Here are some clever questions to ask atheists who believe in evolution. You can ask these questions to the YouTube atheists such as Thunderf00t and AronRa, and you can just copy and paste these questions on an atheist chatboard. When they fail to come up with an explanation to these questions, always reference them to John 3:16 and the Truth about The Creation from the Genesis Account (The best selling book about our origins and science in America)! Also be sure to tell them that Jesus loves them, and spread tell them about the Gospels. The atheists will soon come into the light and the blood of Christ.

1. If Evolution is true, then why do scientists call it a theory?

2. If evolution is true, then why can’t I evolve wings when I want to?

3. Have you heard of the man prints that have been found with dinosaur tracks in Texas?

4. If the T.rex was a meat eater, then why do its teeth look as if they were created for crushing coconuts and raking leaves?

5. Why has Richard Dawkins become afraid to challenge Ray Comfort and other Christians in debates?

6. Should we stop going to church, steal, rape, go to strip bars, and do other sins if it is true that we came from monkeys?

7. Why are there still monkeys today if we came from monkeys?

8. Why can’t we see monkeys give birth to humans in the zoos?

9. Did you know that the Piltdown Man was a hoax?

10. If the birds came from dinosaurs, then why have we not seen any fossils that prove that Brontosaurus, Triceratops, Stegosaurus, and T.rex flew? After all, how could the T.rex take off to the air with those tiny arms?

11. Why was Richard Dawkins stumped by creationists when he was asked a simple question?

10. How did the Grand Canyon form?

11. Have you seen a pocketwatch, a painting, an airplane, or a soda can spontaneously form by itself from a junkyard?

12. Are you aware that there are gaps in the fossil record?

13. How could a dog-like creature that was swimming all of a sudden turn into a whale?

14. If the scientific community agrees with everyone about evolution, then why are they divided? For example, many scientists claim we came from monkeys, but people like Lawrence Krauss and Carl Sagan claim we came from star stuff.

15. How can evolution be true if Ray Comfort demonstrated it to be false with a banana?

16. How did some fish all of a sudden decide to walk on land?

17. If evolution is true, then how can it explain our human emotions, gravity, angular momentum, sunsets, or other phenomena we see everyday?

18. Did you know that Communism and Nazism were inspired by evolution?

19. Why has there been no “Missing Link” found by the scientific community for human evolution, bird evolution, whale evolution, or any other evolution claim?

20. Why are there no transitional fossils found if evolution is true?

21. Why is the Coelocanth considered a living fossil and proven to not have changed over these millions of years if evolution is true?

22. How did something complex like the eye or a leaf form?

23. Did you know racism started after Darwin published his Origin of Species?

24. Why do we see no half-human half-monkeys, crocoducks, or fronkeys today if evolution is true?

25. How can we come to understand Christ if we believe in evolution?

26. Did you know that believing in evolution is responsible for racism, pornography, lies, sins, homosexuality, and other sins?

27. Does God matter if we should believe in evolution?

28. How did the planets and stars all of a sudden form by the Big Bang explosion?

29. Why should we consider rape to be wrong if we should believe in evolution?

30. If mutations for evolution are good, then why are they bad for us, such as sickle cell anemia?

31. If evolution is true, why is it not mentioned in the bible?

Martin and Jim, creationsciencestudy 43 Comments [3/22/2017 9:48:42 PM]
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Quote# 125513

"Christian" Fantasy

Biblical or Oxymoron?

- The dictionary defines fable as:

"fantasy/fiction/falsehood dependent for effect on strangeness of setting (as other worlds or times) and of characters (as supernatural or unnatural beings); the setting is usually in a non-existent or unreal world, the characters are fanciful or unreal, or the conflict focuses on physical or scientific principles not yet discovered or contrary to present experience."

- Fantasy is especially dangerous for children. While most children in the 1970s knew enough truth to place divination in the forbidden realm of the occult, today's children -- who often feel more comfortable with occult games than Biblical truth -- see nothing wrong with pagan practices. Fantasy movies, like Disney's The Lion King, are good matches for the new earth-centered paradigm or world view that is transforming childrens' views of reality. While God told us to continually communicate truth to our children (Deut. 6:5-7), today's culture trains children to see reality through a global, earth-centered filter. This "new" mental framework distorts truth, stretches the meaning of familiar words, and promotes mystical "insights" that are incompatible with Christianity. Packaged with entertainment, this message usually bypasses rational resistance, desensitizes opened minds, and fuels general acceptance of pagan spirituality (Berit Kjos, "The Spirit Behind The Lion King," 1/95, The Christian Conscience, pp. 32-34).

- Most true Christians would recognize fantasy, such as the movie Star Wars, as being extremely wicked (in this case, sorcery -- "The Force" being equivalent to black magic and white witchcraft). Yet, apparently, when we call it "Christian," this somehow sanctifies what we do with our minds (imaginations), or what we allow our minds to entertain. For example, one can look in any issue of the Christian Book Distributors Fiction Catalog and find the most outrageous fantasy literature, yet it is all dubbed "Christian." The following is taken from the CBD Fiction Catalog, 9/94 premier edition:

" ... now there's no more compromising for those who love Christian fiction, because you are holding the key to your next escape-from-it-all right in the palm of your hand ... CBD's brand new Fiction Catalog? It's filled with the latest and the best refreshing, thrilling, inspiring, wholesome fiction for you and your family" (p. 2).

Wholesome? The following is a sample of that which CBD considers "wholesome." [Much of this type of writing comes from medieval mysticism, which God hates (cf. Deut. 18: 10-12).]:

(a) Millennium's Dawn, by Ed Stewart (p. 25):

"June 2001. The future never seemed brighter for Dr. Evan Rider and his new bride, Shelby, as they prepare to embark on the honeymoon of their dreams. But the dream quickly becomes a nightmare as a long-buried secret shared by three college friends erupts, engulfing the couple in a sinister plot of blackmail, terror, and betrayal."

(b) Till We Have Faces, by C. S. Lewis (p. 34):

"The unlovely Orual, eldest daughter of the King of Glome, becomes so consumed by her mingled love and jealousy of her beautiful half-sister that she makes a complaint to the gods -- and receives an answer she did not expect. This novel, possibly Lewis' best work and the one he considered his own favorite, is his compelling rework of the myth of Cupid and Psyche." [Sound like something you could want your children to read -- about "the gods"?]

(c) The Song of Albion, by Stephen Lawhead (p. 33):

"Wolves prowl the streets of Oxford. A Green Man haunts the Highlands. A breach has been opened between our world and the Celtic Otherworld and anything, anyone, may now enter [sounds similar to Poltergeist, one of the most wicked movies ever produced]. But it's Lewis Gillies, an American graduate student at Oxford, who reluctantly stumbles through. In the savagely beautiful Otherworld, Lewis finds himself caught in an epic struggle between light and darkness -- a struggle that will determine the fate of his own world. Memorably penned with vivid and poetic imagery, Lawhead's breathtaking reworking of Celtic myth will keep you reading long into the night" [no doubt, and right into the DARKNESS! -- the Celtic civilization is the culture from which we have received much of our modern day Halloween practices.]

- "Well," someone might say, "I'm not doing anything wicked, I'm just reading about wickedness." But does this align with godliness? There are four things about fantasy which must be considered:

I. It is Anti-Truth.
II. It Slips Into Reality.
III. It Does Not Fit True Godliness.
IV. A Love for God Will Oppose It.


I. Fantasy Is Anti-Truth

Isaiah 32:6 describes error against the Lord. All lies are against God (1 John 2:21; John 8:44). Satan is the father of lies. Since fantasy is not true, then it is a lie! We have been duped into thinking there is some spiritual gray realm out there in which something can be neither true nor a lie. It's just called fantasy! But fantasy is made up of lies, deceit, and unreality, all wrapped up in a pretty (or sometimes, not so pretty) package.

How about the popular 1994 Disney occult/New Age "children's animation" film, The Lion King, which some consider wholesome "fantasy." One observer wrote this about The Lion King:

"The Lion King packs a powerful New Age symbolism and philosophy. Its theme, the 'Circle of Life' is a variation on the cycles of nature: life, death and rebirth, particularly as it relates to the theory of evolution. The film presents this theme from the perspective of the nature religion, more so than Disney films of the past -- 'We are all connected in the great circle of life.' The accoutrements of shamanistic ritualism is graphically portrayed in the dedication of the baby Simba to the spirits of the earth" (Media Spotlight, Vol. 15, No. 2, p. 3).

Yet, we have others who claim the name of Christ, like James Dobson's Focus on the Family, who would like to encourage you to go and see this film that is filled with abominable contents. (See the 8/15/94 Parental Guidance magazine, which is published by Focus on the Family.) FOTF claims that The Lion King has only a few slight imperfections, otherwise it is "a wholesome, brilliantly animated picture relating the importance of family and responsibility."

A "few slight imperfections"? How about the character Rafiki speaking of the eternal state of life and his connectedness with it when Simba, as an adult lion, asks the question, "You knew my father." Rafiki's answer: "Correction! I know your father." Recalling that his father had once told him that the stars are former kings who look down on the earth and guide its inhabitants, Simba looks up at the stars and cries out to his father, "You said you'd always be with me, but you aren't." Shortly thereafter his father appears to him [spiritism; cf. Deut. 18:10ff] in a cloud and reminds him of his responsibility to assume his rightful place in the circle of life. -- "Look inside yourself, Simba," he says. "You are more than what you have become."

Besides the spiritism in the film, ask yourself a question -- "Do animals talk?" Just on this fantasy alone (animals talking) it is a lie.


II. Fantasy Subtly Slips Into Reality.

It becomes very difficult to separate fantasy from reality, especially in the minds of children. There was an interesting article in The Newhall Signal (newspaper) in light of this. Noting one of the teachings of the popular fantasy games, "Death is usually seen as a temporary state with characters returning 'from beyond' to play again" (7/22/87, The Newhall Signal, "Fantasy Games Linked to Real Deaths," p. 16).

Notice a few more books in the CBD Catalog:

(a) A Skeleton in God's Closet, by Paul L. Maier (p. 25):

"Move over, Indiana Jones! In this novel, Harvard archaeologist Dr. John Weber has just discovered a shocking secret -- Jesus' bones. The evidence [an obvious denial of the resurrection] seems incontestable. When word of the discovery leaks out, pandemonium ensues and millions abandon their Christian faith. But which is the hoax -- the archaeological find or the Resurrection itself?" [How can this be edifying?]

(b) The Guardian, by Jane Hamilton (p. 25):

"A new frontier for Christian fiction! Tabris [a guardian angel] has been given a second chance. As a guardian angel, he was found guilty of committing the one unforgivable act against his human charge and against God. Yet God, with mercy and grace, has forgiven Tabris and given him one more assignment -- one more human being to protect. Why? Find out in this celestial parable that will illuminate the indefinable love God has for his creation -- you, me, even angels. " (Emphasis added.) [See the jump from fantasy to reality -- cf. Heb. 2:16 -- any angel who has ever sinned is a demon. Sinning angels are never forgiven, but doomed eternally!]

(c) Darien: The Guardian Angel of Jesus, by Roger Elwood (p. 22):

"The ultimate adventure with an unforgettable guardian angel! Of all the guardian angels in heaven, God chose only one to protect Christ during His time on earth. He chose Darien. (That's the Darien who questioned God's decision to throw Lucifer from heaven and was sent to earth to witness Lucifer's destruction of the world in the novel Angel Walk.) You can imagine that Darien has quite a tale to tell, protecting God's own son -- and he tells it with poignancy and originality. Through this angel's eyes, you'll go on a fascinating and even disturbing journey from the time of Lucifer's rebellion, to creation, to the miracles of Jesus' birth and life. If the stories of Christ's life have become just matter-of-fact Sunday school lessons to you, then here's the breath of fresh air you need!" [Notice the move from fantasy into reality? How are lies, deceit, and fantasy going to freshen one's love for the Word of God?]

This move from fantasy to reality, by definition, affects one's view of reality. Remember when Close Encounters of the Third Kind came out? People believed it! Fantasy gets people to fantasize about reality. It is a slippery slide into lies unknowingly.
III. Fantasy Does Not Fit True Godliness

What is godliness (1 Tim. 6:3; Prov. 3:5-6; 28:14)? Romans 1:18 teaches that God's wrath is against "ungodliness." And as shown above, fantasy is ungodliness. Diving into fantasy, which, by its very nature is against the Truth, is a denial of God, what He says, and the Truth of His Word. How can a lie be used for evangelism, worship, or anything else godly? By its very nature, fantasy removes the person from the Truth (reality) and moves them into a realm away from God. This ungodliness is well depicted in the CBD Fiction Catalog, where it says on page 2:

"It's been said that reading fiction is one of the best ways to 'escape' from the cares of everyday life. Since the beginning of time, great thinkers and writers (even Jesus himself) have been inspired to create allegories, parables and epics, as well as the good, old-fashioned novel itself. What a tragedy to think we have to settle for fiction that merely grabs our attention, but lacks the values and spiritual insight we could carry with us when we return to the 'real world.'" [Again, the move from fantasy to reality.]

Is this what the Lord wants us to do -- "escape" from reality? No! Fantasy is an attack on the very core of one's being as a follower of Christ! And what about the claim that Jesus' parables and the allegories in Scripture, or figurative speech, are parallel to the use of fantasy? No! The Bible's parables, allegories, and figurative speech are not about fantasy at all. They are all about Truth!


IV. A Love For God Will Oppose Fantasy

God would not have His children take refuge in unreality. A love for God is equal to a love for the Truth (John 14:6). Matthew 22:34-40 teaches to love the Lord with all your mind (imagination). What does the Lord say in Ephesians 4:25? -- Speak the Truth to one another! Do we ever stop speaking the truth and speak fantasy to one another, or write fantasy to one another? Is this how God would have us live? Notice Ephesians 4:29. What's the goal? Build each other up in the TRUTH! (not in fantasy). If a Christian is loving the Lord with all his MIND (imagination), he will be dwelling on truth, reality, His Word, and Him, NOT FAIRY TALES AND FANTASY!

Fantasy typically is filled with evil. What should be the Christian's perspective of evil (Rom. 16:19)? If we love the Lord with all our MINDS, then we will not only avoid taking any pleasure in fantasy, but we will hate it. Because fantasy is anti-reality, it is against godliness, it opens the door to deceit, and is an affront to the very core of your being as a Christian. And what is that? -- Taking refuge in God, not escaping reality (Psalm 73:25-28).


- In 2 Timothy 4:3-4 ("For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths"), the Greek word translated myths means tales, stories, or fables (untrue stories). So what about Pilgrim's Progress and other so-called Christian stories like it?

Pilgrim's Progress (by John Bunyan) is claimed by many to be a good illustration of the truth -- the truth of a Christian's pilgrimage in this life. Some would say, "The Bible uses (a) parables, (b) allegories, (c) figurative language, symbolism, etc., and (d) dreams and visions, so what's wrong with Pilgrim's Progress doing the same? A few examples follow:

(a) Parables are not fables.

Matt. 12: 33-35 (using a real idea, expressing another real idea)
Matt. 13:3-9/18-23 (real/real)
Matt. 13:24-30/13:37-43 (real/real)
Matt. 13:31-32 (real/real)
Matt. 13:33 (real/real)
Matt. 13:44 (real/real)
Matt. 13:45-46 (real/real - He does not fly out of the realm of reality)
Matt. 13:47-50 (real/real)

(b) Allegory is symbolic, not mythical -- Gal. 4:22-31 (real/real)

(c) Figurative is not mythical -- John 6:53-63 -- Jesus does not fly out of the realm of reality. In fact, He uses such explicitly (real) language that people are having a hard time understanding Him. Yet, He explains that He is speaking in a figurative way (John 6:63).

(d) Dreams and Visions are not untrue stories -- Daniel 7:1ff; 8:17 refers to truth; 8:26 ("is true"); 9:21 (writing of Truth). These are not untrue stories (fables). Ezekiel 1 &10 -- these are real creatures!

So what about Pilgrim's Progress? There are serious problems in what that book teaches. For example, Christian leaves his armor behind and eventually his sword for the rest of his journey. This does not at all square with Ephesians 6.

Of course, someone would say, "It just a story." Exactly. It is a story that is supposed to illustrate truth, and when it fails to do this, it falls short and becomes an untrue story (fable), which is not doing a good job (at times) in illustrating truth. No doubt, there are many aspects about the story that are interesting and thought-provoking, but that does not excuse the twisting of truth into a lie. Here are some more problems:

(a) Is it a myth? Yes. "But, it is a 'Christian' myth!" Is this supposed to make it okay? No, it makes it worse! That's what Paul was talking about in 2 Tim. 4:4? Pagan myths? No -- "Christian" myths! That's why it is so dangerous.

(b) Another possible danger with Pilgrim's Progress is that the Christian life could be seen through the eyes of the story rather than solely through the Word of God. Romans says to transform our minds (12:1). Only the Word of God can do that, not "Christian" fantasy. A Christian's affection should be upon God's Word and His truth, not the fables of men. This type of Christian fable can pull our affections away from the Word.

(c) Has the Word of God become so dull, dry, drab, or undesirable to us that we would even think we would need such a book as Pilgrim's Progress to spur us on in the faith?
- A few more Scriptures indicate our concern with "Christian" fantasy:

(a) 2 Peter 1:16 -- We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

(b) Titus 1:14 -- and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the commands of those who reject the truth.

(c) 1 Timothy 1:4 -- nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work -- which is by faith.

(d) 1 Timothy 4:7 -- Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives' tales; rather, train yourself to be godly.

- Considering the present distress (2 Tim. 3:1), how can fantasy, no matter how supposedly good it may be, be found profitable? We need to concentrate on reality -- the truth of the Word of God -- and leave the fantasizing to those who are perishing (especially in light of the prevailing ignorance of the Word). And, especially when Paul describes the "against the true church" as those who will "be turned aside to fables," we ought to hold fast to the truth -- the Word of God (1 Thess. 5:21).
An Example from a "Christian" College

A recent FrontLine magazine (Vol. 6, No. 4) with a cover theme, "The Christian and the Arts," carried a lead article titled "The God of All Beauty." The article is very disturbing because it lists so many Scripture references [out of context/misapplied], but the author's rationalizations fail to give due consideration to Pauline Epistle truths for this Church Age and the warnings about this world/age. Two other articles in this FrontLine issue are by Donna Lynn Hess of Bob Jones University (BJU), one on fantasy and the other on selecting reading material for children.

The first article refers favorably to C.S. Lewis, a devotee and author of occult fantasy with unbiblical metaphors; yet Hess claims that this kind of fantasy is useful in helping children "develop valuable literary skills" and in developing an understanding of "similar literary elements used in Scripture." In the second article by Hess, she states: "As Christian parents, we recognize the need for choosing books in which the theme is morally sound. But it is just as important to be sure that this theme is artfully expressed"; she also says that it's okay to expose children to stories with themes "antithetical to Christian beliefs" in order to "help inoculate them against the false ideas, attitudes and behaviors these writers promote."

BJU's ShowForth video division ("The video source you can trust.") also markets three video productions of C.S. Lewis' fiction, and a documentary biography of Lewis himself. ShowForth's catalog layout (p. 7), under "Inspirational," lists C.S. Lewis as one of the "Warriors of the Word" along with C.H. Spurgeon. Considering Lewis' many theological errors, it is dangerously deceptive to place him in such august company. A pastor knowledgeable in the unbiblical teachings of Lewis wrote to BJU documenting Lewis's errors. BJU responded with an involved, articulate, but off-the-mark defense for using "fantasy" as a teaching tool.

In the articles in FrontLine, as well in articles sent out by ShowForth, Hess gives an unusually broad description to the term "fantasy," and does not give adequate consideration to the whole counsel of God. "Fantasy" should not be used, as BJU does, to describe the figures of speech and literary techniques found in God's Word. More serious study ought be made of the nature of God, the condemnation of all forms of spiritism throughout Scripture, the recurring theme of sober/sound mind (especially in the New Testament), and the disassociation in the Epistles with "fables" (myths) in presenting God's message.

In these times we live in, we believe pastors and parents must exercise extreme caution regarding the literary use of fantasy. But caution is apparently not in BJU's vocabulary concerning this matter. BJU Press has published Medallion, a popular fantasy reader for elementary age home-schoolers. There are strange similarities between Medallion and two explicitly pagan books -- one a sixth-grade reader for public schools called The Dark is Rising, and a Wiccan manual by Starhawk called The Spiral Dance. In response to a review of Medallion by Berit Kjos, BJU trivializes the similarities, and states, "It appears that what this critique requires of Medallion rules out all fantasy for the Christian. We hold that no story can mix fantasy with the supernatural facts of Scripture without dangerously trivializing Biblical truth by associating scriptural realities with a dream world." [Couldn't have stated the truth more clearly if we had tried!] Contrary to the scholarly opinion of BJU's Literature and Language departments, "Christian" fantasy parallels the occultic literature for children, using similar images, story-lines, symbols, and characters. Literary fantasy, rather than being neutral, has occultic roots. (This paragraph was excerpted and/or adapted from the 10/96, The Christian Conscience, "Pagan Story for Christian Children," pp. 40-42; see page 41 for a detailed comparison of Medallion and The Dark is Rising.)



Anonymous, rapidnet.com 10 Comments [3/18/2017 1:34:47 PM]
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Quote# 67019

Therein lies the problem. You obviously spend much time in fantasy (TV, movies). If you spent half as much time in reading the bible as you spent watching fantasy, I don't think you'd have these ideas about aliens and such. Earth is the only planet in the world that can support life. Even NASA will tell you water is not found anywhere in space other than planet earth. No life can live without water.

Raybob , Bible Forums 43 Comments [11/3/2009 8:13:07 AM]
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Quote# 125660

Shane Egan:
So, those very Christian people, including many founding fathers, who owned slaves - as endorsed in the Bible - were doing good? Owning people as property forever, is good, being OK to beat them as long as they don't die in a few days, is good?

Royce E. Van Blaricome:
Why don't you tell us why it is not good and what authority you use to justify that belief?

Royce E. Van Blaricome , Christian News Network  20 Comments [3/23/2017 6:07:40 AM]
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Quote# 125659

'Put a ban on it': Pauline Hanson calls for Muslim faith to be banned

One Nation leader Pauline Hanson has taken to social media to once again call for the Muslim faith to be banned in Australia.


Those on social media trying to show solidarity with the victims of the London terror attack should instead be ending their posts with #Pray4MuslimBan, according to One Nation leader Pauline Hanson.

Senator Hanson is unhappy with recent comments by London Mayor Sadiq Khan, and wants Australia to “solve the problem” of terrorism by banning the Muslim faith.

"It's amazing that the Muslim Mayor over there has come out and said, 'Oh well terrorist attacks are part and parcel of a big city',” she said.

“People are feeling sorry for these people over there and I've seen the hash tags ‘pray for London’.

“Look I have my own hash tag and you won’t need to be praying for this place, or that place.

"Put a ban on it and then let’s deal with the issues here."

Pauline Hanson, SBS 21 Comments [3/23/2017 6:07:33 AM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 54104

What is the difference between atheists and Punks?

Is atheism not just a minority social influence i.e. a deviant subgroup that rejects certain sections of the established majority? Just another group of Counter-conformists. A psychological and social phenomenon – a condition which can be studied alongside depression, schizophrenia etc.

They love to present atheism as an ‘elite state’, some sort of a superior order, only really accessible to geniuses and intellectuals – a new super breed. Their creeds are ‘reason’ and ‘science’.

The punks were a small minority group that aspired to complete individual freedom combined with a strong anti-establishment attitude. Not much difference between punks and atheists there. The punks were from the working class though.

Can atheists be described as the ‘punks’ form the class of geniuses and intellectuals?

Most atheists claim that they just don’t believe in God. That is not true. They are not just everyday secular citizens with just a lack of belief or faith. Atheism is an active negative belief. The atheist belief system is more than just intolerance. It is an active hatred of God and Christianity.

They accuse religion of intolerance but show extreme intolerance to religious beliefs and customs.

They accuse religion of dogmatism but adopt strong dogmatic principles of their own.

They accuse religion of intolerance but show no tolerance to religious beliefs and ideas.

They accuse religion of contempt for one's opponents but show no respects for God, Christians or the Bible.

Atheists are just a minority group who see themselves as superior intellectuals, with a ‘god’ they call ‘reason’ and with a psychological need to disrupt the established norm and create doubt and uncertainty in the mind of the majority. Their goal is tearing down the religious establishment. Punks against religion.

FountainMan, BBC Religion and Ethics 49 Comments [12/14/2008 8:27:52 AM]
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Submitted By: Gareth1984

Quote# 125656

When you bribe ppl with 860k to leave their home, kinda puts a hole in the whole "DPRK citizens would do anything to get out" now doesn't it

yung_mung, Twitter 6 Comments [3/22/2017 9:48:31 PM]
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Quote# 125635

When the jinn attacks

Abo Mohammed:

"Quote Originally Posted by Sky Lark View Post

I dont know if Il be able to see it.. should I see it?

Btw, whats your opinion on sleep paralysis?"


Sleep paralysis is cosed by jinn. Mostly from a jinn called in Arabic the Jathoom.

AM

m7md:

" if u continue on talking about jins too much, they may as well too angry with u ;p
u know they like to stay hidden ,, and dont like people exposing them too much,, most of the people who get attacked r ones who r always talking and scared of them,"


various, ummah.com 9 Comments [3/22/2017 9:46:20 PM]
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Submitted By: Mister Spak

Quote# 125638

An Advice:"Not to Read fictional horror story books"



BismIllah

An Advice to all Muslims & for them to share with others in Muslim community esp West

Many people have habits of reading fictious books esp christopher Pike, Harry Potter,Paul Coelho ,RL Stine etc scary stories that involve devils&their inspired stories.

While reading all this ,as a Muslim, we are aware of the fact,that its all about spine chilling stuff or sorcery etc.


The shaytan that is with every human being takes advantage & tries to Scare people &calls its allies from Devils at times to possess that person.Or scare them in their lives with such absolutely weird stories

.Anyhow:

Don't read books that contain Shirk,kufr,spine chilling stuff bcs we aren't here to read scary stuff&then let Devils play tricks on us.That it scares Muslims Aqeedah& bring him down.Muslims in West have to maintain enough Imaan to not get scared of people hunting them down etc.

Red Birdie, ummah.com 10 Comments [3/22/2017 12:48:12 PM]
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Quote# 125490

Bruce Frederick Joseph Springsteen (born September 23, 1949, in Long Branch, New Jersey,[1]) whose nickname is The Boss, is an American rock musician/liberal activist.[2][3] A favorite of liberals, he is one of the top selling recording artists of all time.[4]

He played the Super Bowl halftime show in 2009. [5]

Springsteen is known for his liberal anthems, such as "Born in the USA" and "We Take Care of Our Own".

Springsteen supports the reelection of Barack Hussein Obama in 2012, though he will not be on the campaign trail for Obama this time, perhaps because of the lack of enthusiasm for Obama this time. He supported John Kerry in 2004 and Obama in 2008, campaigning for them though saying he wants to promote his new album and that it was bit of an accident that he campaigned during the Bush years. [6]
Political Activities

To the thrill of the lamestream media, Springsteen was critical of the use of one his song "Born In The USA" by Ronald Reagan's campaign in 1984. The song is actually a protest song against the Vietnam War; the Reagan campaign mistakenly assumed it was not a protest song. Springsteen campaigned for John Kerry in 2004 and Barack Obama in 2008, and criticized then-President George W. Bush[7] He is now a high profile advocate for same-sex marriage in New Jersey. [8]

His 2009 album Working on a Dream featured a title track that was about the coming of the Obama Administration and how the American Dream was being restored, consistent with Springsteen's support of Obama in 2008 and critcism of Bush in 2004.

Springsteen released Wrecking Ball in 2012, which is an overly political album. The first song on the album, "We Take Care of Our Own", is critical of Americans, claiming that they are selfish and not willing to, as Springsteen puts it, "take care of our own". It is similar to "Born in the USA" in the regard that it has been mistaken for a patriotic anthem, that due to the upbeat nature and the chorus, some believe it to be a patriotic song saying that Americans indeed take care of their own. The album, Springsteen claims, is in support of the blue collar worker. This album came out after Springsteen became overly political supporting liberal causes. The song "We Take Care of Our Own" is on the list for music for the Obama campaign.

Elvis is King, RealWiki 9 Comments [3/18/2017 2:50:52 AM]
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Quote# 125637

The Siher of Death, done with the Menstrual blood

A poison stronger than arsenic

In this post I will talk about one of the worse kind of Siher , This Siher Is one of the types which subject the effected person to different types of illness and pain and will lead in the end to a certain death if not treated fast.

In this type of Siher the Saher will perform his Siher on different substance he will add to them a Menstrual blood as part of the ingredients. Then this Siher will be mixed with a food or a drink and served to the targeted person.When this person takes this Siher ,the results will start appearing within 24-48 hours depending on the type, the strength of the Siher and the number of sources of the Menstrual blood , some times the Saher will use a blood from one woman and sometimes he will use the blood from 2 or 3 sources. In this type of Siher the patient will start losing weight, his face will always be yellow and pale , he will lose his strength fast, then in the end his organs will start to parlays one by one and this will lead to a major failure in his body functions and will lead to a certain death.

The person who is subjected to this type of Siher ,even if he visits different doctors ,they will not be able to provide him with a cure.

How to cure this type of siher,

The most important thing in treating this type of Siher is to diagnose it in its early stages before the patient reach the Parlays stage because if the patient reach this stage without treatment ,this will leave him with severe organs damages which will need a long time to cure even after he is cured from the Siher.

In order to treat this type of Siher there is a few and limited ways to do it, most of these methods are unknown to may raqies which they depend mainly on Sennah to make the patient vomit in order to bring out the Siher along with the Menstrual blood . The Sennah has a limited or non effect in disintegrating this type of Siher .

I will talk about one old method which is very effective in treating this type of Siher.

you will bring 2 doves and after cleaning them you will put them in a pot after you cut them into small pieces, then you will squeeze on them fresh lemon, you will use enough lemons to cover the meat with the lemon juice. you will use 2 to 3 kilos of lemons to do that depending on the size of the doves. Then you will leave them cooking on a medium fire until they simmer, some of the juice will remain in the pot along with the meat

Abo Mohammed, ummah.com 14 Comments [3/22/2017 12:43:27 PM]
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