Quote# 140819

Yes, I believe autism is caused by a demon. I do not know if the demon stays in the person, or if it did the damage and has moved on…

When I was staying with that Jehovahs Witness family during the forest fire, I was witnessing to them about Jesus. (I didn’t know I was doing this at the time. I simply answered her questions best I could.) The Lord Jesus told me that I could have healed their autistic son (autistic from a vaccine,) if they had believed. But alas, they refused to believe, so the son was left autistic.

Dreams of Dunamis, Dreams of Dunamis 18 Comments [10/8/2018 4:16:28 PM]
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Quote# 140830

1. Neither knowledge nor science are the truth, but are weapons used by Satan and evil demons to corrupt people. Seeking knowledge and science is the path of destruction;

2. Neither knowledge nor science can save mankind. They can only corrupt people, cause people to shun God and deny the truth, and wreak destruction on man;

3. The more knowledge people have, the more they defy God, and the more it can lead people’s outlook on life, values, ideas and viewpoints to become more evil, reactionary, absurd and preposterous;

4. Neither knowledge nor science can resolve the problems of man’s corruption—they can only accelerate mankind’s destruction. Only the truth can save mankind.

Church of Almighty God, Church of Almighty God 10 Comments [10/9/2018 11:37:43 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 140797

These behaviors are NOT wrong or controlling for a husband from a Biblical worldview:

1. He completely controls the finances, even money his wife may earn, and gives her a weekly allowance for groceries, clothing and things that she or the children may need.
2. He sets the discipline polices and rules for the children.
3. He determines where the family goes to church.
4. While he allows his wife to express her opinions on all manner of subjects privately with him, he determines the public family opinions on religion and politics. He determines what the children will be taught from a religious, social and political viewpoint. He also teaches his wife from the Word of God. He does not always expect that his wife will agree with his interpretations, but he expects her to have a teachable spirit and respect for his right as her husband to teach her the Word of God.
5. He expects his wife to fulfill her duties as a wife, including having sex with him and caring for their home and their children.
6. He expects his wife not to disagree with him in public, but that she will keep her disagreements for private discussions with him. Even when she disagrees in private, he expects her to do so in respectful manner.
7. He expects his wife to be respectful of other men as well, especially in mixed gender gatherings. He expects that his wife will not correct other men, or be too opinionated in the presence of other men.
8. While his wife may be courteous with other men, he expects that his wife will never ever flirt with another man. While his wife may communicate with other men in his presence, he expects that his wife will never have a private friendship with any man other than her male relatives (father, brothers).
9. While his wife may find other men attractive, he expects her not to gawk or act in an unladylike manner toward other men.
10. While a husband should allow his wife to have lady friends with whom she can share her feelings and have a bond in a way only women can, he also has the right to restrict her from certain women whom he feels are a negative influence on his wife.


Make sure your husband is truly a controlling husband. If you are bucking your husband for any of the 10 things I stated above that are NOT the marks of a controlling husband, then you need to repent to God and your husband for rebelling against his God given authority over you and your family.

If however, your husband is truly acting in controlling or unloving ways towards you, first examine if you have been a disrespectful or unloving wife toward him. Make sure you have made your own heart right with God first.

Once you have examined yourself, and have addressed any failings you have had toward your husband, try to address the situation with him in a private, and in a very respectful manner. If you are being physically abused –get out and try to get help for him. If he will not change, I do not believe you are bound to him in this case. If he is not physically abusive, but refuses to change, you need to pray for God’s grace and give your husband to God.

You are not the first wife to deal with an unkind or cruel husband, and you will not be the last. Our unchristian world says “leave the bum” if he treats you in unkind way. The Bible says to love him even more, and maybe, just maybe you may win his heart to Christ.

biblicalgenderroles, Biblical Gender Roles 15 Comments [10/9/2018 2:46:51 PM]
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Quote# 140861

Martin: Since Jesus said that God alone is good, it follows that the Samaritan is not good.
Calvinistic dogma is right there beside Jesus.

Peter: You now don't even pretend to address any of the points I made do you?

Martin: Peter
I addressed every one. You, however, do not understand the parable, its point was to answer the question "who is my neighbour". As I pointed out, Jesus never calls the Samaritan good.

Peter: Jesus said someone who wasn't a believer could do good. He held his behaviour up as an example to believers. A non believer put into practice the command to love your neighbour. Nothing to do with his faith or his being predestined to believe or do good. You are claiming that's in line with Calvinist theology? Right.

Martin: Irrelevant. That men do 'good deeds' is no problem, they just aren't good and their motives are wrong.

Martin, Premier 8 Comments [10/11/2018 3:54:18 AM]
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Submitted By: CC

Quote# 55296

[(Previous post:) I hate Christianity it is the worst plague that has ever takes over large parts of the world. Christianity is unnatural and should should be prevented from having a part in society. But PFB don’t feel offended I mean no wrong to Christians just Christianity its ok I still like you.

^^ Feel offended? Exactly.]

Homosexuals are not defined by their homosexuality. I, however, am defined and find my identity in the love of Christ.

Pink_Fuzzy_Bunny, Kongregate forums 27 Comments [1/2/2009 9:08:45 PM]
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Submitted By: norumaru

Quote# 82877

Autism is a medical label fluke used by the world governments and society to pacify demonic possession.

Autistic kids/people have very obvious traits and anyone will know an autistic child when seeing one.

You can literally feel it in their presence a heaviness and darkness while in their presence that cannot be ignored

The fact is this; a truly Autistic child/person has the same symptoms of demonic possession as in:

Lewd behavior as in exposing one's self and imitating sexual acts with no prior knowledge of these things

Violence, be it self inflicted or towards others

They will excrement on themselves and let loose their bladder at any time or place and also play with the waste, they seem to like having the bodily waste on their person

They spit

They have animalistic traits like sniffing, and licking

They will eat anything including old food and garbage if it has a smell that attracts them to it

They will scream without end at times, and in a loud howl-like inhuman screaming sound that can shatter anyones nerves overtime

They keep up constant noise vocally or with objects to bring confusion to where ever they are

They bite themselves and others

They strike or attempt to choke others

Pain really doesn’t affect them

They speak a strange language and they actually can communicate between each other

They are extremely strong when in a rage

As children they can over power an adult when having the fits of rage

They don't like the Name of Jesus and they will always be put under control by His name

They are selfish, mean spirited, and dominate people

They show no signs of guilt when doing wrong

Mental or Spiritual Weigh the Facts, autismordemonicpossession 234 Comments [7/28/2011 3:14:48 AM]
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Submitted By: Dr. Flibble

Quote# 140801

I think it’s embarrassing for the country to allow protesters. You don’t even know what side the protesters are on.

Donald Trump, Washington Post 34 Comments [10/7/2018 6:38:58 AM]
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Submitted By: Doubting Thomas

Quote# 140809

As long as they keep teaching the evolution theory in schools as a fact, we will always have bullying, "naturally selecting the weak and the vulnerable", and people in favor of abortion, the ultimate form of naturally selecting someone to extinction.

Is that not the source of all this drama anyway?

NBC News was going to do a special exposing the evolution theory as a lie, and they got harassed by a civil lawsuit and so the special never aired. Brian Williams was the anchorman at the time of that announcement for that special and the withdrawal of it.

Can anyone find that news item anywhere on the internet? I can't.

Just like I can't find that news item about how a Psychiatric Association or something to that order that had announced in the National News that homosexuality was a sexual dysfunction or something for which but then they got threatening phone calls at the work place and the bullies found out where they had lived and called them at home and even had a brick thrown in a window before the next day when the Association recanted in the news.

Maybe I am just not very adept at finding information on the internet. Either that or such items were removed by a threat of a civil lawsuit or maybe the search engines are designed to steer away from it, I don't know.

Well, anyway... signs of the times. I cannot see a reversal in this late in the game. America is corrupted and heading towards self destruction that it is bound to become a fascist police state soon where law abiding citizens will be the one chipped and under observation and control, but the illegal aliens are not. I would not be surprised they manage to take away arms from law abiding citizens while the bad guys still have access to illegal arms on the streets.

We have pastors preaching in the pulpit that do not believe in God any more because of the evolution theory. There is one locally whose son had informed me of this in the early 1990s when I was working with him at a store. I sent a book, "The Collapse of Evolution" by Huse anonymously at his door but I heard no result of it from his son afterwards.

Anyway.. seems we should be looking to our own house more than ever than in the political arena. It's bad out there.

I am hoping in Jesus Christ in being my Good Shepherd for help in abiding in Him & His words as well as His help in being willing to go when the Bridegroom comes.

HopefulNChrist, BaptistBoard 18 Comments [10/7/2018 1:17:29 PM]
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Quote# 52268

Company ignores two requests from AFA to discuss Pepsi's support of gay groups.

Pepsi has given Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG) a half-million dollars to help push the homosexual agenda in the workplace.

Pepsi has a long tradition of financial support for homosexual groups. According to Jacqueline Millan, director of PepsiCo Corporate Contributions, "We are delighted to continue our partnership with PFLAG...(in) promoting the necessary message of inclusion to untapped groups...and that is a crucial step toward building a healthy working environment."

Despite the fact that 30 states have passed constitutional amendments defining marriage as being between a man and a woman, Pepsi continues to support the efforts by same-sex groups pushing for homosexual marriage.

AFA wrote Pepsi on October 14 and again on October 29 asking the company to remain neutral in the culture war. Pepsi didn't care enough to respond to the AFA letters. Pepsi's lack of response indicates the company plans to continue support for the homosexual agenda.

Take Action

E-mail Chrm. Indra K. Nooyi. Tell her that you expect Pepsi to stop supporting the gay agenda.

After sending your e-mail, please call Pepsi (914-253-2000) and ask the company to remain neutral in the culture war.

Forward this e-mail to your friends and family so they will know about Pepsi's support of the gay agenda.
Pepsi's products include Pepsi soft drinks, Frito-Lay chips (800-352-4477), Quaker Oats (800-367-6287), Tropicana (800-237-7799) and Gatorade (800-367-6287).

The American Family Association, AFA Action Alert, 11/13 97 Comments [11/13/2008 10:01:02 PM]
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Submitted By: GreenEyedLilo

Quote# 52197

Why do Catholics confuse their belief with Christianity?
Christians follow Jesus Christ that makes them Christians, right?

But Catholics follow "Saints & Virgins" that make them catholic, right?

Can someone please enlighten me without insults?

Mexkimo, Yahoo Crazys 40 Comments [11/13/2008 6:39:10 PM]
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Submitted By: CaseAgainstFaith

Quote# 52222

Personaly, I don't call them "Gay" if it can be helped. They are NOT happy people! They are queer! Something that is NOT NATURAL! I mean, my goodness, the queers that I know can't even get clean! They take 3-4 showers a day because they feel dirty ALL THE TIME! I wonder why?! Duh! Their souls are filthy! No wonder God called them an abomination! America as we have known it is gone..., a lost cause! It makes me sick to think of it.

Ok Getting off my soapbox now! This whole thing just makes me sick! Sorry for the rant. But GRRRRR!

Abiding Hope, Rapture Ready 71 Comments [11/14/2008 12:34:22 AM]
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Submitted By: Rich

Quote# 52199

[For those who say that a certain theory is not fact, did you know that the effects of gravity is a theory?]

Gravity is proven.Drop an apple and it falls.It is not a belief that seeks to destroy the Bible.
Evolution is a BELIEF system that goes against the Bible and God,that is why we reject it.The proof shows Evolution never happened.

C, Yahoo Crazys 36 Comments [11/14/2008 2:32:42 AM]
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Submitted By: CaseAgainstFaith

Quote# 52184

[On a video about wicca is a cult]

Atheist: And like christianity isnt? Just remember who is the christian wearing the mask.

The Fundy: You obviously do not know what a cult is, if you believe that Christianity is one.

Eelman4, Youtube 39 Comments [11/14/2008 2:40:11 AM]
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Submitted By: Malkavian Jeff

Quote# 52233

Why are most of the Atheist I've met are lacking love in them and most had a bad experience in their childhood?

Is that the reason they are angry with God and religious people. And have become thick and dont want to listen to anyone? And then they stopped relying on God and thought of making things work on their own. Thats fine if they did that but they should not make people like them who are already happy being religious and are proud to be following their religion.

R£U8£N, Yahoo! Answers 30 Comments [11/14/2008 5:55:26 PM]
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Submitted By: M.M.

Quote# 140746

Vile homosexuals have permeated the Catholic Church and will never willingly or gracefully release their perverted grip. It is their goal to change church teaching and doctrine to be consistent with hedonistic practices that are now common in western societies.

The Protestants ought to be amused. That priest burning the gay flag is akin to Luthier posting his 95 objections. Cupich and Pope “who am I to judge Francis will do nothing to purge the cancerous homosexuals from the Church.

allendale, Free Republic 10 Comments [10/3/2018 12:33:57 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 52212

If one does not believe in God, how do you know the difference between good an evil?
I truly believe that man is a selfish, self centered being at his core. If you do not believe in God, why not rob, steal, kill and so forth to make your time here on this planet as pleasant for yourself as possible. After all, there are no permanent consequences for your actions. No Heaven or Hell.....so why not?

jomama, yahoo Crazys 60 Comments [11/14/2008 3:16:10 PM]
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Submitted By: CaseAgainstFaith

Quote# 52202

I can't imagine how you can believe we came from monkeys. doesn't it just make more sense to just say we adapted? Just because we changed our environment doesn't mean we automativally can mutate ourselves and just "evolve." When people get mutetions, they suffer from various illnesses. Can you name me ONE mutation that is positive? Just one. That's all I'm asking for. You can't, simply because there is none. We are made in the image of God, our heavenly father, so when genes in our body changes it goes from good to something bad.

How can you explain how things so complex such as the eye can just have "evolved"? you can't. The fact is, evolution takes faith. How you can believe in something that is so absurd with no evidence is beyond me. Do you realize the probability of us getting here by "chance" is so miniscule that it takes more faith for you to believe in evolution than it takes to believe in unicorns.

[And a little later...]

Genetics? Of course we share similar genes with animals, WE CAME FROM THE SAME GOD! duh! dumb athiests...

[Note: At round three of the debate, "Everseeingeye" forfeited.]

Everseeingeye, Debate.Com 35 Comments [11/14/2008 3:26:31 PM]
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Submitted By: COR

Quote# 52187

Since gay marriage should be banned because God doesn't agree, should we go through the bible ?
and make laws against everything God hates?

Personally I'll be happy when I can't have sex until I get married, and absolutely everyone will have to be a christian.

Bastian, Yahoo Crazys 56 Comments [11/14/2008 3:27:09 PM]
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Submitted By: CaseAgainstFaith

Quote# 52205

Atheists: Even if you did know there was a God, wouldn't you still deny Him?

Like, you guys just cannot accept that there is a superior being to yourselves who made you controls every aspect of your life.

Even if the gates of heaven opened up before your very eyes and God himself appeared on his throne surrounded by his angels, you would try and convince yourself you were high and having some sort of hallucination, right?

Mildreth Winthrop, Yahoo Crazys 61 Comments [11/14/2008 5:24:29 PM]
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Submitted By: CaseAgainstFaith

Quote# 134289

I have been thinking a bit about this, and since we have some numerical data maybe we can put numbers in the issue of “pedophiles genocide”. Maybe seeing the numbers could help to have clearer visions of the implications of some people’s desires and intentions.

So, there are a large part of antis who think that all pedophiles, no matter what, should die. I want to believe that most of them don’t think that for real, that they talk without thinking first and that they aren’t actual genocidals waiting for a chance. But I would like to show the implications of following this sentiment.
The numbers: 

The global population is around 7000,000,000. The number of pedophiles is estimated to be around a 5% (and maybe it could be bigger, since the female population hasn’t been deeply studied and we are talking only about pedophiles, not ALL MAPs. But well, we’ll go with that number. An estimation).

What does this mean? That around 350,000,000 people are pedophiles. 350 MILLIONS OF PEOPLE IN THE WORLD ARE PEDOPHILES.

Think slowly about it. USA population is 323 millions. The whole Europe population is 743 millions. Murdering all pedophiles would mean that you want to kill more than what the USA’s population is. Half of the european population. Can you see it now? Do you have the number and its implications in your head?

But well, we’ll keep going over this. I’m strongly against death penalty. I don’t think we have any right to decide who lives and who dies and I don’t believe in a punitive justice system. That is not justice, that is just revenge. I believe in rehabilitation and reinsertion when it is possible, in turning criminals in good, productive members of society and approach the penitenciary system not as a punishment but as therapeutic, educational system. But I’m going to let this for a moment. We are going to say that we accept death penalty for some criminals and that child abusers get that. By this genocide you aren’t just killing offenders, but millions of innocent people. Gonna imagine that a 25% of pedophiles are offenders in some way (and I’m being generous with the number. Too high). If that is true, you are still mudering 262,500,000 of innocent people. Even if half of the pedophiles where child abusers, that would be 175 millions of innocents murdered. The studies with higher numbers about the nazi holocaust talk about 15-20 millions of victims. When you say you want all pedophiles dead that means that you want a genocide 20 times worse than the nazi one. Even if you are full of hate and approve capital punishment, you should be able to see that the genocide of 350 millions of people, innocent or not, just for a specific and unchosen trait of them is too radical and useless. But I’ll go over this now.
“It is for a greater good”

Ok, just for a second, we are going to pretend that the murdering of innocent people (or just, murdering in general) is justificable in some way, we are going to imagine that there is such a thing as a greater good that is above the most basic human right of millions of people and that makes their murder ok. What would you achive with this? Well, acknowledging that only around 33% of CSA is commited by pedophiles that means that this genocide wouldn’t stop even half of the abuse children suffer. 66% of it would still happen. So we would have millions of innocents dead and children still being abused without no one taking serious actions to stop it, because they have focus all the effort in the murdering of pedophiles.

But that is not all. Pedophiles would keep borning, of course. Because pedophilia is not a choice, an ideology or something you can control. People would still born with this trait and would develop it, so you’d have to keep murdering a 5% of human population every generation. This would include a lot of CSA survivors, of course, that turn out to be pedophiles when they grow up. But since you are killing pedophiles CSA is impossible so there isn’t survivors, right? This approach will just lead to a total invisibilization of CSA, because to justify the genocidal attitude you need to support the idea that only pedophiles commit CSA, so the voices of most victims wouldn’t be hear. 

And of course, if your intention is murdering pedophiles as a “prevention” strategy, it would be the best that you kill them as young as possible, before they can commit any offense. Since most people became aware of their attractions as teens, you would be killing mostly minors. Probably the millions you are killing are all under 16. But that is ok, because it is for a greater good… Or maybe not.

Because by killing all pedophiles you would still have most of CSA happening and you would have to keep an eternal genocide for the rest of the history without any perks coming from it. Because you would see friends, family, neighbours… dying constantly for a trait they didn’t choose and you would have to accept it because that is supposed to make some kind of good for society. This is not effective. This doesn’t save children. This is heinous. There are way better things we can do about this topic.
So, what can we do, then?

We, as a society, have a principal role here. We can prevent CSA before it happens and the way to achive this is not murdering, it’s not genocide, it’s not hate. It is knowledge and understanding. We need to be aware of the risk factors for CSA and treat them as soon as we notify someone has them. Treatment is not murdering, but therapy. And this is not a thing just for pedophiles. This is something for anyone with these risk factors (lack of empathy, self-control…). On the side of pedophiles, literature is clear about it: isolation only hurts and create risk factors. The way to prevent pedophiles from offending is offering them a supportative, open society. If instead of making them feeling like mosters doomed to abuse we teach young pedophiles that they are ok, that they are in control of their actions and that people are going to still love and care about them we are protecting these teens from developing the distortions that can lead to abuse. An open society would mean that pedophiles who need it could go to therapy without fear, learning to accept themselves, to empathize with children, fighting cognitive distortions and developing self-control skills that would prevent them from commiting any kind of offense. This therapy is the way to prevent CSA. And to provide it we need that society stops to hate and demonize pedophiles so they can take this step. But therapy alone is not enough. Human beings need acceptation, need people who show love for them, need to be part of a group and community. That is why you shouldn’t isolate pedophiles. Because it hurts their mental health, because maybe the only ones who show acceptation would be pro-contact communities, because maybe their loneliness pushes them to do something terrible that we all could have prevent if we had had enough understanding and vision for it.

When you say you want all pedophiles to die you mean that you want 350 millions of people dead. These aren’t light words. This is a terrible statement and maybe you should think about it carefully before support it. You should keep in mind that pedophiles are human beings, with family and friends, most of them innocent, and that all this death would bring a lot of pain to the world without actually helping anyone. The dead of pedophiles wouldn’t stop CSA. Most children would still be abused. The way to prevent this is a good konwledge of the causes and risk factors of CSA and early intervention on these. Genocide, demonization or isolation is not the right intervention, it is an useless preventive strategy with a lot of negative impact. If we want to actually help children we should start by understanding what pedophilia is, who are the pedophiles and heping them to remainn non-offending and anti-contact. We should all work together with MAPs, who can be actually the first step in CSA prevention and the ones turning pro-contacts and potential abusers in riskless people, so we can help children. We should guide ourselves by science, by research, by what we learn and not by what we feel or just blindly believe.
Some last reflections for antis

Please, next time you type something like “I hope all pedos die” “I wish you all were dead” “Please, die” “kill yourself” “best you can do is killing yourself” or any form of suicide baiting and death wishing try to think in the effect of your words. Try to think that in the other side of the screen there is a human being, a person with their life, their problems, their suffering. Someone who didn’t choose to be like that and who has to learn to live with a part of themselves that they probably hate way more than you do. The person you are talking to is not your abuser, is not any child abuser. It is another scared person who is seeking a bit of help and empathy from another human beings. It could be anyone. Your best friend, your nice classmate, your parent, your children. Anyone. 

Because when you express this desire you are telling 350,000,000 of human beings that they would be better off dead. And these are strong words, directed towards people with a high suicide risk. With this, you aren’t protecting children, you are hurting them. With this, you are just spreading your rage to feel a bit better about yourself in the most twisted and egoistic way, but you cause harm. Even to yourself, no matter if you can’t see this now. Drowing in hate, rage and such a toxic ideology won’t bring you peace or happiness. You will only feel worse and worse, more full of wrath, until the day you can’t hold it anymore.

Try to be careful. Think in your words, in their true meaning, in society, in what we can do to make this world better. Stop for a moment, breath deeply, ignore the hate, the rage, your pain, and then try to open your eyes and start to learn. You don’t have to agree in everything. You dont’ have to be a MAP supporter. But just stopping to spread a message of hate and genocide and starting researches and discusssions would do a lot of good. For society, yes, but specially for yourself. Because you are the one who is getting more hurt with this. I hope you can think slowly and see this someday. And for that day I’m here. And for the day before too. I want to know you, I want to help you, I want to show you kindness and empathy. I know you are a good person, that you mean well and that someday you could see what was wrong in your actions. Until then, I’ll be here anyway. I’m open to talk, to discuss, to share my sources and research and to give you support when you need it. But please, stop to support genocide. Don’t let yourself to think that the murdering of 350,000,000 can be in any circunstances for a greater good. Never. Genocide is always wrong. 

And if you are an anti who is against cross-tagging, against suicide baiting and death wishes and who believe in therapy even if you don’t like the MAP community, please, try to be vocal about this. Help to make your community less toxic and hateful, help another people to be less dogmatic and more open to talk and discuss in respectful ways, try to make them see why wishing people dead or telling them to commit suicide is wrong. You have a lot of power in your hands and you can stop a lot of harm just by making your community a bit more open, tolerant and safe, by making it less harmful for its members and less anti-science, anti-recovery and anti-therapy. If you believe that something is wrong don’t be afraid and speak up against it. I have talked with antis who only were antis and who wrote hateful stuff because they were scared to be called out and hated for not being like the other antis. That is not good. No one should feel forced to do something they don’t agree with and that makes them distressed just for the fear that their own community causes them. Be helpful, be there for the ones who show more humanity and empathy. Suport therapy and understanding, not genocide, rage and hate. Give everyone a hand.

So, summarizing, if you support the idea of wanting all pedophiles dead, try to think slowly, be aware of the implications, keep the numbers and facts in your mind. Genocide is not an option. If you want to fight monsters, try to don’t become yourself in one.

aleskakolja, tumblr 15 Comments [11/17/2017 3:48:14 AM]
Fundie Index: 2

Quote# 108143

Theistic evolutionists tend to subscribe to either the day-age theory or the framework theory, both of which are allegorical interpretations of the Genesis 1 creation week. Young earth creationists subscribe to a literal 24-hour day as they read Genesis 1. Both of the theistic evolutionist views are flawed from a Christian perspective in that they do not line up with the Genesis creation account.

Theistic evolutionists imagine a Darwinian scenario in which stars evolved, then our solar system, then earth, then plants and animals, and eventually man. The two theistic evolution viewpoints disagree as to the role God played in the unfolding of events, but they generally agree on the Darwinian timeline. This timeline is in conflict with the Genesis creation account. For example, Genesis 1 says that the earth was created on day one and the sun, moon, and stars were not created until day four. Some argue that the wording of Genesis suggests the sun, moon, and stars were actually created on day one but they could not be seen through earth’s atmosphere until day four, leading to their placement on day four. This is a bit of a stretch, as the Genesis account is pretty clear that the earth did not have an atmosphere until the second day. If the sun, moon, and stars were created on day one, they should have been visible on day one.

Also, the Genesis account clearly says that birds were created with sea creatures on day five while land animals were not created until day six. This is in direct opposition to the Darwinian view that birds evolved from land animals. The biblical account says that birds preceded land animals. The theistic evolutionist view says exactly the opposite.

One of the most unfortunate trends in modern Christianity is that of reinterpreting Genesis to accommodate evolutionary theories. Many well-known Bible teachers and apologists have caved in to the evolutionists and have come to believe that adhering to a literal interpretation of Genesis is somehow detrimental to the credibility of Christians. If anything, evolutionists lose respect for those whose belief in the Bible is so tenuous that they are willing to quickly compromise it. Although the number of true creationists may be dwindling in academia, several faithful organizations such as Answers in Genesis, the Creation Research Society, and the Institute for Creation Research have affirmed that the Bible is not only compatible with real science, but affirm that not a single word in the Bible has ever been disproved by true science. The Bible is God’s living Word, given to us by the Creator of the universe, and His description of how He created that universe is not compatible with the theory of evolution, even a “theistic” understanding of evolution.

Got Questions Ministries, GotQuestions.org 20 Comments [4/29/2015 2:55:59 AM]
Fundie Index: 5
Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 140837

A true Holy Spirit filled Christian that has the Revelation of Jesus Christ? No, it's impossible. You can never become an true atheist then. You are sealed by the Holy Spirit. You might go in some state or form of denial but not all the way, the seed of the Word will never leave that person. Such a person cannot help but to believe from the heart.

Anyone that has fallen to the state of being an true atheist or even joining some other religion never had what they thought they had. Even if they sacrificed all and lived everyday with all zeal and effort. They never saw what they thought they saw. Even if they were sincere like Cain bringing his offering. But like him, their sacrifice was incorrect without revelation.

No, its impossible. Scripture says “A son of God cannot sin for the seed remaineth in him” - 1 John 3:9. Sin means disbelief or unbelief. In other words, they failed to recognize the Truth.

Now for the strange thing. A person might go crazy, loose his mind and don't know who he is anymore but if you were once sealed by the Holy Ghost then God will remain in your soul no matter what. You can never be lost. Because insanity is in the mental realm. God lives in the soul realm.

If this gospel is hid, it's hid to them that are lost. If you are a christian turned atheist you are typed by Israel that died in the wilderness before reaching the promised land. Yet they carried out the feasts, partook in the things of God and even walked with the prophet and saw the miracles.

Jesus said they were all dead. In other words, lost. They served God with the mind but did not have God in their hearts and when difficulties came there was no anchor in the soul.

But if you are talking of the nominal steriotype christian? For sure. I think today's churches are probably to blame for most christian turned atheists. I hardly blame them from turning away from the churches.

Dion de Beer, Quora 10 Comments [10/9/2018 11:48:02 AM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 140831

Human beings are not the problem. The technological society that meshes human beings together is the true problem. Men are not made to bond to people they do not know, nor are women. The society we live in dehumanizes people by pushing them into something they aren't fit for.

We're supposed to be born into 150+ bands of human beings, but we are born into small nuclear families instead, and then we're forced to interact with foreign tribes. Do you understand why this is a bad thing?

Industrial society is the foil to love and meaningful human connection, not human beings themselves.

Whysomangry, Columbine High School Massacre Discussion Forum 7 Comments [10/9/2018 11:38:24 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 140839

(In response to an NBC article that says kids are in danger of losing their health coverage)

Kevin: I assume the rest of this article says, “If their parents don’t get decent jobs to provide for their needs.”

Kevin McCreary, (Say Goodnight Kevin), Twitter 12 Comments [10/9/2018 11:48:51 AM]
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Submitted By: AJ Williams

Quote# 140780

God Laughs At The Critics Of Christians, For He Seeth Their Day Of Reckoning Coming

Proverbs 16:27 , “An ungodly man diggeth up evil: and in his lips there is as a burning fire.”

The Bible warns that we will all be judged in eternity according to our own standards. We will be judged according to how we treated and judged OTHERS. A lot of people hate and hurt Christians, and their day of reckoning is coming. Psalms 37:12-13, “The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth. The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.” All of the hypocrites who are casting stones of hateful criticism against fundamental Bible-preachers today (all of whom have been less-than-perfect sinners just like everyone else), will face the harsh and merciless judgment of God in retaliation for their own merciless judgment of God's children. If you condemn the righteous, but justify the wicked, you have condemned yourself by your own hypocrisy! There is much criticism on the internet against Christian believers, especially against fundamentalist preachers of the Word of God.

James 4:12, “There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?” I condemn no man. I am the biggest sinner that I know (and so are you, in your own eyes, if you're right with God). If it weren't for God's wondrous and abundant grace, I'd spend eternity in the Lake of Fire. Thank God the Father for the precious gift of Jesus, His only begotten Son, Who bled and died on the cross for my sins, was buried, and raised-up the third day from the dead as my heavenly High Priest (Romans 8:34; Hebrews 4:15-16)! What a Savior!!!

One of my favorite Scripture passages is from Romans 2:1-3, “Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?” Everyone is a woeful sinner. Don't judge others because they sin differently than you do. There is a hateful spirit of pride, arrogance and self-righteousness that is prevalent in cyberspace, condemning the righteous for any and every sin, mistake and word that comes out of their mouth. God will TORTURE the wicked.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Precious 17 Comments [10/4/2018 6:10:35 PM]
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