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Site/Off-Topic Discussion Thread 3

Electric Boogaloo

Quote# 123678

Let's talk about the site and other things!

Post feedback, issues, random comments, death threats, etc. here like in the other Site/Off-Topic discussion threads.

Site/Off-Topic Discussion Thread 3, Brought to you by Mookitty 101 Comments [1/16/2017 8:31:37 AM]
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Submitted By: shy
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Little Bobby Tables Award

Can you win it??

Quote# 123791

If you are having trouble posting or seeing comments, send an email to admin@fstdt.org with your username, the browser you are using, and if possible, the IP address and ISP you're using when comments don't work. Also include any browser extensions you are using. If you prefer IM, I can be reached on Skype (search spikedee@openmbx.org) or AIM (screenname 'a nerd of sorts'). I will always fix the troll bouncer so you can comment and/or see comments again. Someone's priorities are way mixed up if keeping trolls out is more important to them than letting people use their site.

Also email or post any other errors and issues you encounter in the Site / Off-Topic Thread'!


I'm so sorry for all the downtime and any other problems!! I feel really bad for not giving you any tangible new features for the wait. I made a large number of fairly significant changes to the database, a few of them particularly major changes, like completely redoing the pubadmin table in anticipation for the FSTDT rewrite and also because of how extravagantly disorganized the pubadmin data was stored. (I discuss the details of that later in this post.)

Many changes also had to be made to the behind-the-scenes FSTDT code to accommodate for the database changes, and in one case something had to be all but completely rewritten. (When that happens, I just go ahead and get a head start on the rewrite's transition from C# back to VB — the current C# version is itself a transition from an earlier VB version — it's like some kind of bizarre cycle. I write the new code in VB, since then it will be usable in the actual big rewrite itself. A number of other changes unrelated to those necessary to accommodate the database changes were made, but none of them are major.

But the biggest change to the FSTDT server-side code, though, is that the new troll-detection and auto-cleanup system Piège-à-Pèpe (PàP) I've been talking about is finally in place and has a real name!! Much of PàP is still turned off on the server side for that reason, but everything on the client side is operational. It still does more than enough to be useful and justify going live with it.
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Known issues

oopz

I scrapped the original Banned IPs table and replaced it with one that supports wildcards and does away with the surrogate key. This is not an "issue," but I sure as hell accidentally made one while I was working on this. I intended to export the original banned IP list and import it into the new table. Unfortunately, however, my executing a query with a single misplaced colon deleted the entire list of IPs. Since the old table had not been cleaned out in literally 8 years, I doubt this will be a major issue. Like half or even more of those lost IPs were probably Mabus in the first place. Yes, he really was that fucking crazy.



Losing the banned IP list means there's a small chance we'll see a slight increase in the number of trolls over the next few days. When and if they show their ugly troll faces, their IPs will be re-collected again and added back to the database. Piège-à-Pèpe will also help deal with some of it, so any issues with this should be fully resolved over the next few days. Still, if you see 'em, report 'em in the Site / Off-Topic Discussion Thread.
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Proxy Penalization

This is not an issue so much as something worth noting. PàP heavily penalizes known Tor nodes and IPs from a certain major Turkish telecommunications company. If this is a problem for you because you accidentally trigger other penalization from PàP such that it incorrectly considers you a troll, then use another browser and/or a different proxy to access FSTDT. If you're completely stuck, contact me. (See info above.)

Though not done by PàP, a certain other hotbed of seediness that calls itself a web host and proxy server provider has been completely banned. If you're posting from an IP there, you're probably The Frog or someone else up to no good anyway.
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The Croaking Cloaking Croat

PàP could quite possibly have trouble recognizing the Croat because the information and behavior PàP uses is all over the place for him. I don't know if it's deliberate or the result of him using a fuckton of different devices. He also avoids obvious Tor nodes, (likely because they were already banned here), but I know a Tor exit note emitted his verbal diarrhea at least once — and possibly twice or more if an anonymous commenter was him as I suspect.


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"Summary" of database changes (and relevant FSTDT code changes)

Cleanup

I removed a ton of dead weight from the database (empty tables and a surprisingly large number of columns created for abandoned features). Doing this also required removing references to said dead weight from the FSTDT code itself; despite never actually using it, quite a bit of code (especially related to user accounts) queried the database for it. Trying to do that now that it's no longer there in the database would throw a Kerblewy error.
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New Banned-IPs table

As I mentioned earlier, the old Banned-IPs table has been replaced with a new one that supports wildcards and does away with the needless surrogate key, instead using the IP addresses themselves as the primary key.
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New banned-strings list

The banned-strings list was also scrapped and replaced with something supporting wildcards. Since you're most likely not aware of the banned-strings table, what it does is that if you try to post a comment with a string in the table, the comment is simply ignored and not posted, and the quote page the comment was posted from acts like nothing happened. (It does not ban or monitor people who try to post comments with the banned strings; it just discards comments that contain them.) Nearly all of the banned strings are for automatically discarding obvious spam that resembles nothing a real user would ever actually post. Believe it or not, this pathetically simplistic technique actually catches almost all of the spam that somehow makes it past the "Check here" button.

Note that the names of both Le Frog Français and the Literal Motherfucker are in the banned strings list now, since saying them is like speaking Lord Voldemort's name. A few of other tics and words related to them are also banned. These are mostly Frogface's.
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Stored procedures

In addition to the stored procedures I wrote working on the pubadmin table, I also wrote stored procedures to handle all of the other specific database-related tasks that the FSTDT code has to do, such as getting the comments for a quote and paginating them, logging in, submitting a quote, etc. (Aside from the occasionally mentioned exception, none of it is actually used in the FSTDT code right now, and the current codebase won't be updated to do so. This move was in preparation for the new upcoming rewrite I keep talking about. It will interact with the database exclusively using stored procedure insofar as possible. Unless you have good reason not to, I am ridiculously passionate about storing procedures in databases rather than using inline queries that reference the structure of the database, but getting into that will launch me way beyond the point.
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Pubadmin database overhaul

I redesigned the entire pubadmin database table. Note that I didn't say I restructured the table, as that would imply I just shuffled things around a bit, maybe tided up a few loose ends, or made a lot of changes but very minor ones, etc. — no, I redesigned the pubadmin table. Doing this is where the protracted downtime came from and why the site had to be brought down.

I completely rethought not only how to store pubadmin data but also how to approach the task of handling the pubadmin system itself, both in database design and the site's code.

This post and "summary" is already long enough, so I won't go into detail, but I will say that this was probably the most needed and overdue change I made: the old pubadmin table was there and indeed stored pubadmin data, but pubadmin data was also strewn across three other unrelated tables besides the correct one. That data had to be moved in the process of redoing the pubadmin table and the columns that contained it deleted.

For those who don't know about how awful making structural changes to a large database is, this task necessitated creating a temporary table, copying the to-be-changed table's data into the temporary table, dropping (deleting) the to-be-changed table, creating a new table like it with the desired changes, copying the data from the temporary table to the new table, and finally dropping the temporary table. This obviously isn't technically changing the table but making a whole new one.

When your database is stored on a shared database server with 100 or so other databases, and the table you want to 'change' has over 100,000 rows and 15-20 columns, and its indexes have not be defragmented in a while, you're gonna be waiting a couple hours, and that's with the whole process being the only transactions taking place on the database and with you the only user accessing it. Having other users accessing the database would cause the transactions to be even slower to the point of timing out because they took too long.

And that is why we had to go down for maintenance and why we were down for so long.


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Rewriting the pubadmin code-behind file

Since I completely redid the pubadmin table, I had to gut almost all of the FSTDT pubadmin code-behind file because it was coded to read and write data using the old table. I bet every query in the gutted code would have failed when attempted on the new pubadmin table. (Not having that happen is one of the major advantages of using stored procedures that tell the database what you want rather than telling it how to do it.)

The overwhelming majority of the gutted code was just that: literally gutted, i.e. removed from the codebase altogether. The remainder was kept in the code, but it was still gutted in the sense that it was commented out so it wouldn't be used. The parts I commented out and kept were ones that can be easily translated to VB and used in the FSTDT rewrite. By saving that code, I'll have a concrete launchpad from which to begin the process of writing the rewrite's pubadmin code.



So quotes could be approved, the code-behind file for the PublicAdmin.aspx file had to be almost completely rewritten aside from the repeater controls that show similar quotes to check for dupes. They still worked because they were using stored procedures when I had my first glance at the database back in September of last year. The rest of the rewritten code also uses stored procedures and saved views, unlike the original code, which used a combination of inline SQL and a separate data access class that also used inline SQL itself.

PublicAdmin.aspx also had to be updated to remove controls that interacted with the not-reimplemented functionality, like issues and public admin being able to actually be used by the public again. (These issues will be fixed in the FSTDT rewrite at the latest.) Mods will probably immediately notice these changes on the page.

Mods, everything in the above paragraphs probably needs to be combed through for bugs because it was literally written in half a day. Report any issues you find, SVP.
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Anyway, bear with me while I get any kinks worked out, and please let me know if you notice any. Post them in the Site / Off-Topic Thread, or if you think they can be exploited or pose a potential security issue, send a message to the email above instead or shoot me an IM.

Again, sorry for all the down time! I'll try not to do anything like this again.

back up and running!, so sorry it took this long!! 34 Comments [1/21/2017 1:27:40 AM]
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2016 FSTDT Awards

Fundies of the Year – Final round!!

Quote# 123455

2/1/2017: Voting's over! I'll verify the count sometime during the next couple of days, and the winners of the prestigious FSTDT Awards will be announced!



Voting this round is open till the end of the month. The usual rules apply, except this time we're voting fundie-against-fundie. That means the list of categories is much shorter this time around (choose from the list of nominees here):

• Religious Fundie of the Year
• Right-wing Fundie of the Year
• Left-wing Fundie of the Year
• Conspiracy Theorist of the Year
• Sexist of the Year
• Racist of the Year
• Single-issue Wonk of the Year
• Vulture of the Year
• Batshit-insane Person of the Year

When you cast your vote, use quote numbers instead of fundie names: that will make things much easier for me!

Happy voting!

The Nominees, 2016 FSTDT Awards 18 Comments [1/4/2017 6:28:09 PM]
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Submitted By: shy
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Quote# 123651

I feel like I've been a bad admin lately, still getting, being too busy with work-related stuff, but as far as that goes, things should be calming down since the beginning of the semester rush is over. I'm sorry for that.

Still, I want your honest opinions: How am I doing as admin? What am I doing right? More importantly, what am I doing wrong? Do you have any suggestions for how I can improve it? Do you have any other suggestions?

Also, I have a couple of new nominations for mods in mind. I won't say whom yet, but I want this to be a democratic process, i.e. for most of you guys to approve of my decisions before I make them. I also haven't contacted the nominees yet, but I will be doing that one day next week, and if they accept, I'll put up another post seeing if you're all cool with it.

Thanks guys for hanging in with me while I get the hang of running this crazy train! Being the conductor was the last thing on my mind when I made my first comment way back in 2008. It still kind of feels unreal in a way.

holla @ shy, Shy Says 5 Comments [1/15/2017 12:19:13 AM]
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Quote# 122922

Let's talk about the site and other things!

Post feedback, issues, random comments, death threats, etc. here like in the original "Greet your new masters!" thread.

[Thread's locked because the party's moved here!]

Site / Off-topic Discussion Thread #2, FSTDT 143 Comments [12/8/2016 3:47:19 PM]
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Quote# 123433

...aack, I'm busy with beginning-of-semester stuff! Yell at me in this thread for stuff I get behind on. I'll have the final round of the 2016 FSTDT Awards voting ready by the end of today though, and I'm extending voting until the end of the month. But if there's other stuff that I need yelling at for, put it here plz.

>_<, look at my puppy! 4 Comments [1/4/2017 7:03:04 AM]
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2016 FSTDT Awards

Fundies of the Year, Round Two

Quote# 123265

1/2/2007: Voting time for round 2 is over. The final round will be ready later today or tomorrow!
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This is the page to cast your votes in round two of the 2016 FSTDT Awards for Fundies of the Year. If you want to cast votes for the 2016 FSTDT Awards Quotes of the Year or the other categories, you can do that here.

What's new this round?

This time around there are more candidates but fewer quotes up for vote. It may seem like a whole lot, but since there are fewer options, it won't take as long to read through them or decide. But, still, since there are so many things up for vote this round, and most of it was already up for vote last round, you may say "same as last time" or something along those lines if your vote for a fundie is still the same this time — but if you do this, make sure that what you voted for last time made the cut to this round; if it didn't, you obviously can't vote for it again, so if I catch this, I'll let you know and give you a chance to change your vote accordingly.

Just as last time, you can also abstain from voting for as many or as few categories as you want for any reason. Voting in general works exactly the same as in the last round. (See the next section and my sample ballot for this round.)

Due to the sheer number of third-place ties, I decided to narrow the number of quotes per fundie down to two instead of three (except for my man Joe Eigo). All of the "greyed out" categories from round one are now open for voting. Candidates with only one quote are placed together in "grab-bag" categories this round. Treat the grab bags like the other sections, and vote for one candidate in each. Everyone in the grab bags that gets at least one vote "win"s this round and moves on to the final.

I also changed the phrasing "three rounds of elimination" to say "two rounds of elimination" like it should have been — this is a correction, not actually a change in the voting process. We'll be pitting fundie-against-fundie in the next and final round.

Finally, I will not be manually counting quotes this round since the Visual Basic + Transact-SQL script I wrote for this purpose seems to be working correctly. I will still manually skim over and verify everything at the end of the round, though.

The Rules — read them (again) before voting

A lot of people seem to be confused about how voting is working this time, so I decided to rewrite the rules to be a bit clearer and their purpose more transparent. I've deleted the improperly casted votes to give the voters an opportunity to try again now that I've (hopefully) made things clearer.

When we did nominations, I divided quotes into two broad categories: Fundies and Everything Else. This was because the fundie nominations were going to be handled differently. When we nominated fundies for the different award categories this time, we also nominated some of their quotes to go with them. The idea here is to determine the Fundie of the Year using two rounds of elimination based on the quotes we collected.

In the first round of elimination (the previous round), voting was done to narrow the number of quotes for each fundie down to three two. In the second round of elimination (this round), we repeat the same process with the remaining quotes that each nominee has, and the previously closed categories are open for voting. This time the goal is to narrow the number of quotes down to one per each fundie in each award category, and to filter out the grab-bag fundies that get no votes. Finally, in the third and last round, we actually pit the fundies against each other. The winning fundie in each award category is decided by voting on which one has the best winning quote from the previous process of elimination.

This process may seem needlessly complicated (and I realize that now), but it is not without a purpose. In previous years, the FSTDT awards were very predictable to me, and there wasn't very many voting opportunities to influence the outcome. Victors frequently won in landslides and curbstomped their competition. That's not very fun. You'll hopefully see that this time around the quotes chosen for the final fundie-against-fundie vote will be more competitive, and the final round of voting will be much closer, more unpredictable, and actually at least a little entertaining to follow and keep track of.


Now for the actual voting!

On the list of nominations here, find the corresponding section to each bullet on the ballot below, and use that list to cast your vote for each bullet. I know it seems like a lot since there are more candidates with quotes up for vote, but there are fewer quotes overall, and it should take you less time to cast your ballot. As before, follow the example I set forth in my ballot below (I'm actually abstaining from voting since I'm hosting and moderating the awards, but those are the picks I would've made if I were actually participating).

The Ballot

• Religious fundie quote grab bag
• Religious fundie quote, kingjameswriter1965
• Religious fundie quote, Mack Major (new!)
• Religious fundie quote, Catholic Nationalist
• Wingnut quote grab bag
• Right-wing fundie quote, Jim
• Right-wing fundie quote, Roosh Valizadeh
• Right-wing fundie quote, Students Against a Democratic Society
• Right-wing fundie quote, The Last Trump
• Right-wing fundie quote, Vox Day
• Moonbat quote grab bag
• Left-wing fundie Quote, Antisemitic British Moonbats
• Left-wing fundie quote, Bailey
• Conspiracy theorist quote, Godlike Productions
• Conspiracy theorist quote, Alex Jones
• Sexist quote, Matt Forney
• Sexist quote, SaintElliot
• Sexist quote, David J Stewart
• Sexist quote, Vox Day
• Sexist quote, Navigator
• Racist quote, James Laffrey
• Racist quote, Wotans Krieger
• Racist quote, Janet Bloomfield
• Racist quote, Vox Day
• Single-issue wonk quote, David J Stewart
• Single-issue wonk quote, Mack Major
• Single-issue wonk quote, Navaros
• Single-issue wonk quote, Ann Barnhardt
• Single-issue wonk quote, WorldGoneCrazy
• Single-issue wonk quote, Vox Day
• Vulture of the year
• Batshit "grab bag": include Johan Nygren? (Y/N)
• Batshit-insane person Quote, usachinanukewar
• Batshit-insane person Quote, ComeOnPeople
• Batshit-insane person Quote, Vox Day
• Batshit-insane person Quote, Joe Eigo
• Batshit-insane person Quote, SaintElliot


Happy voting!

The Fundies, 2016 FSTDT Awards, Round Two 11 Comments [12/26/2016 3:26:06 PM]
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2016 FSTDT Awards

Quotes of the Year & Remaining Categories

Quote# 123085

1/2/2017: Voting time for round one is up. The second and final round will be up and ready for voting later today or tomorrow!
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This is the page to cast your votes in round one of the 2016 FSTDT Awards for Quotes of the Year and the other awards up for grabs. If you want to cast votes for the 2016 FSTDT Awards for Fundie of the Year or the other categories, you can do that here.



We made a really big oversight when we didn't nominate Omniology to be a Board of the Year candidate, so I've decided to break protocol and add it after somebody voted for it. Since I did this, you may change your vote for Board of the Year to Omniology if you want. If you want to change it, post a new comment saying so; don't change your vote by editing your current comment, because I'll be very likely to overlook the change. –shy


The Rules — read them!

This is round one of voting and will last from December 18 until December 31. In this round, we will be narrowing the number of quotes and other nominees for each category down to three. You get one vote to cast on a quote or other nominee in each category. A list of exactly what's up for vote this round is given below.

Since I'm the host and moderator of the awards, I'm abstaining from voting. But I did a sample ballot below in the comments for demonstration purposes. (It does, for the record, show how'd I vote if I weren't abstaining.) Pay close attention to my ballot and how the votes are listed and formatted. Try to do your own ballots as much like mine as you can. This will greatly speed up the process of tallying votes and make things much easier for me.

Now for the actual voting!

Using the list of nominations here, cast your vote for the following categories (more quotes up for vote but fewer categories compared to FOTY):[/b][/size]

• Funniest Quote of the Year
• Nightmare Fuel Quote of the Year
• One-liner of the Year
• WTF?! quote of the year
• Incel Quote of the Year

• Board of the Year
• Commenter of the Year
• Troll of the Year
• Conspiracy Theory of the Year

Happy voting!

Quote & Misc Awards, 2016 Fundie Awards 17 Comments [12/18/2016 6:23:43 AM]
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Mookitty

is still my cat

Quote# 122813

I'll probably be posting here a little more often than bossman about fairly mundane things. I'll kick links to anything major up onto the navigation bar where "Greet your new masters!" is right now.

Just got finished approving quotes this morning. I've got a busy rest of the week ahead of me grading finals and posting final grades, and I've got to proctor tomorrow, so you probably won't hear too much out of me. I'll most likely still be able to approve quotes every morning and afternoon, though.

After this week, I'll be free until January barring the unexpected. Then we'll get down to bizness on possible plans for the site and what have you. First on the agenda will be a bunch of little fixes to the site code that won't really affect things on your end much. Before I can do that, I've also got to make a little pretend FSTDT database on my computer so I can test changes to the code before it goes live. But that should take a whole ten minutes to do.

Welp, I'm off to go do work things now.

hay guys, frist post yey 7 Comments [12/1/2016 7:10:03 AM]
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Quote# 122879

There's an issue where users won't stay logged in more than 24 hours. I'm not sure what is causing it, and I may have to get Distind to come back and fix it, because the source code of the latest version of the site is disassembled (the original was lost), and the disassembled version is nigh unreadable in places, especially the code involving user accounts. If worst comes to worst, I'll rewrite the entire session / login code myself. It might take a week or two to fix this issue. I'm really sorry it's taking so long to work out this annoying little bug.

In other news, I'm gonna throw up a post for nominations for Fundie of the Year awards either later today or tomorrow.

Postponing Fundie of the Year nominations until after this bug is fixed.

That login issue, we're workin' on it 4 Comments [12/6/2016 7:26:04 AM]
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2016 FSTDT Awards

Fundies of the Year

Quote# 123084

Day after Christmas Update: Voting for round one has closed. Round two will be set up and ready for voting soon.
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Christmas Eve Update: This Christmas has been alooot busier than I expected, so you guys are gonna get a couple extra days to vote. I'll check the tally script against my own tallies and set up the next round the day after Christmas. Hope you guys have a merry one!
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This is the page to cast your votes in round one of the 2016 FSTDT Awards for Fundies of the Year. If you want to cast votes for the 2016 FSTDT Awards Quotes of the Year or the other categories, you can do that here.

Now open to unregistered and anonymous users!

The Rules — read them before voting

A lot of people seem to be confused about how voting is working this time, so I decided to rewrite the rules to be a bit clearer and their purpose more transparent. I've deleted the improperly casted votes to give the voters an opportunity to try again now that I've (hopefully) made things clearer.

When we did nominations, I divided quotes into two broad categories: Fundies and Everything Else. This was because the fundie nominations were going to be handled differently. When we nominated fundies for the different award categories this time, we also nominated some of their quotes to go with them. The idea here is to determine the Fundie of the Year using three rounds of elimination based on the quotes we collected.

In the first round of elimination (the current round), voting is done to narrow the number of quotes for each fundie down to three. Fundies that already have three or fewer quotes are greyed out on the nominations list for now because they're not up for vote, since they don't need narrowing down to three.

In the second round of elimination (the next round), we repeat the same process with the remaining three quotes that each nominee has. This time the goal is to narrow the number of quotes down to one per each fundie in each award category.

Then in the third round of elimination, we finally pit the fundies against each other. The winning fundie in each award category is decided by voting on which one has the best winning quote from the previous process of elimination.

This process may seem needlessly complicated (and I realize that now), but it is not without a purpose. In previous years, the FSTDT awards were very predictable to me, and there wasn't very many voting opportunities to influence the outcome. Victors frequently won in landslides and curbstomped their competition. That's not very fun. You'll hopefully see that this time around the quotes chosen for the final fundie-against-fundie vote will be more competitive, and the final round of voting will be much closer, more unpredictable, and actually at least a little entertaining to follow and keep track of.

Now for the actual voting!

On the list of nominations here, find the corresponding section to each bullet on the ballot below, and use that list to cast your vote for each bullet. Follow the example I set forth in my ballot below (I'm actually abstaining from voting since I'm hosting and moderating the awards, but those are the picks I would've made if I were actually participating).

The Ballot

• Religious Fundie Quote, kingjameswriter1965
• Religious Fundie Quote, Catholic Nationalist
• Right-wing Fundie Quote, Jim
• Right-wing Fundie Quote, Students Against a Democratic Society
• Left-wing Fundie Quote, Nicolas Maduro
• Left-wing Fundie Quote, Antisemitic British Moonbats
• Conspiracy Theorist Quote, Nicolas Maduro
• Sexist Quote, Matt Forney
• Sexist Quote, SaintElliot
• Sexist Quote, David J Stewart
• Sexist Quote, Vox Day
• Racist Quote, James Laffrey
• Racist Quote, Wotans Krieger
• Single-Issue Wonk Quote, David J Stewart
• Single-Issue Wonk Quote, Mack Major
• Single-Issue Wonk Quote, Navaros
• Single-Issue Wonk Quote, WorldGoneCrazy
• Single-Issue Wonk Quote, Vox Day
• Batshit-Insane Person Quote, usachinanukewar
• Batshit-Insane Person Quote, Vox Day
• Batshit-Insane Person Quote, Joe Eigo
• Batshit-Insane Person Quote, SaintElliot

Happy voting!

Fundies of the Year, 2016 FSTDT Awards 15 Comments [12/18/2016 4:35:35 AM]
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"FSTDT finally has a sorely needed basic feature" Award

Quote# 123069

You guys may have to log back in again. No, the old log-in bug is not back! This time it's because I made a few fixes to the FSTDT code and added a shiny new toy, and so I had to recompile the code and 'reboot' FSTDT so to speak. The "posts with certain things causing logouts" bug should be fixed now, but tell me if you encounter it again (in which case please be patient while I pull my weave out and try again to fix it). I'm gonna be making more changes to the existing code during the next few days, so I'll be doing a few more recompiles as I make progress, and they'll likely make you have to log in again. Sorry, guys. (But you might get some more new toys to make up for it!!)

Now about that shiny new toy: It's a working quote tag! See:

@nautical999:
Leviathon is a spirit I have battled as well. It was a hard battle but was won. It was about four months or more ago. My wife and I were in McDonalds and were having a conversation with an angel and Leviathon had come up. I told the angel that i wanted to fight this demon and he said I could. On the way back to the hotel I asked the angel if he could bring the demon to a predestinated place and he said yes. I figured that since Leviathon was from the depths of the sea he would be used to the cold water so I filled the tub up with scalding hot water and blessed the water. The angels (there were two now) brought Leviathon bound to the tub and fought with me. We all pulled our swords from our hips and began running this demon through with all my strength and everything I had. I would say it took atleast half an hour or more. We were all spent but the battle was won.


Oh, you so crazy, nautical999. To use the new quote tag, the syntax is [quote=author]quoted text[/quote]. The opening quote tag should be put at the beginning of the first line of quoted text, and the closing quote tag should be put at the end of the last line of quoted text. There should also be two line breaks both above and below the quote tags and surrounding text (i.e. like it's a paragraph). The result will look wonky if you don't do it like that. Play around with it, and you should get the hang of it.

You can also omit the author of the quote:

im christian
if we came from apes
how come were not hairy and have a big mouth
and did we end up looking like we do know
and besides
there isnt any serious proof of apes
they showd a video saying an ape was wondering around in the forest
that thing looked exactly like a costume that i had saw at a store
know one ever cought an ape


The syntax for this is [quote]quoted text[/quote]. Other than that, quotes-sans-authors behave the same way as regular quotes. Again, play around with it and you'll get the hang of it.

Use the comments of this post to do your playing around. Take chances, make mistakes, get messy!

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2016 FSTDT Awards

Nominees and Candidates

Quote# 122962

Here are the candidates and nominaitons for the 2016 FSTDT Awards!

Thanks to everyone who made nominations! Also special thanks to my husband and Pharaoh Bastethotep for their help doing tl;dr snippets of the quotes

When casting your votes on quotes — for either a Fundie of the Year candidate or for a Quote of the Year nomination — remember that the snippets provided here are intended to be a convenience giving you a general gist of what the quotes are about. If you decide to vote for a particular quote, then you should first click its quote-number link and read the original quote in its entirety to make sure you don't have any second thoughts. It is also a wise idea to consider your second pick as well and read its full quote too before casting your final vote: if you change your mind after voting, your vote will not get to change with it. All votes are final with the exception of typos or similar errors. If you find yourself equally torn between two or more candidates, then you should definitely always read their full quotes before deciding!

You don't have to cast a vote on everything up for vote. You may abstain from as many or as few things as you like, but remember that you lose your abstained vote; you cannot use it as an "extra" vote somewhere else.



Religious fundie of the year

• David J Stewart – #122928: Leviticus selectivity, shellfish ok, gehs bad
Sassy – #122088: "I flew in a plane what is different between that space and the space higher up? Where did Jesus go to when he was seen ascending into heaven? If Space is above the clouds where is heaven? You see there is a difference between Man and God the heavens above and heaven"
cmdrjones – #121628: "Atheists have constitutional rights by being citizens, but by denying the existence of a creator no one with two brain cells to run together would trust that they would respect anyone else's rights. So, they simply should never be afforded political power... What with their miserable track record and so on. "
• kingjameswriter1965 – #122435: "Now they claim they can use this hadron collider to bring forth the Devil and all his fallen ones."
Mack Major – #118255: "People who come from a voodoo or an old southern hoodoo background know about spirit husbands. These are actual spirit entities that become attached to a woman through ungodly sexual and spiritual activity."
Catholic Nationalist – #117704: "Catholicism is objectively the coolest religion. So cool in fact that the word cool is not nearly sufficient. What other religion allows you to literally eat God every day?"
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Right-wing fundie of the year

Abolish Abortion Florida – #121877: "The political committee Abolish Abortion Florida (AAFL) has launched a ballot initiative to amend the state's constitution to punish abortion as capital murder."
Donald Trump – #122148: [Donald's twitter tirades are, mercifully, already auto-summarized by Twitter's 144-character limit, but they are too numerous to list; we'll do a short vote on picking one if he wins. –shy]
Jim (Jim's Blog) – #120562: "We should protect our gays from Muslims and kill them ourselves."
Roosh Valizadeh – #120431: "Punish Trump haters with your cock: Besides the punitive element of withholding your cock from a Trump hater, we can also look at it from a time-saving perspective. If you are masculine, you simply won’t connect naturally with a feminist who hates Trump."
Students Against a Democratic Society – #116770: "We’ve done slavery (Issue 3), we’ve done lynching (Issue 11) – well, we haven’t done them, but you know what I mean."
The Last Trump – #118465: "[Appeals Court Rules in Favor of Virginia Transboy Who Sued School District to Use Men’s Restroom] THIS, is one of the biggest issues of our time!? Sort of reminds you of Nero fiddling while Rome burned doesn't it?"
Vox Day – #121392: "TL;DR: The Alt Right is a Western ideology that believes in science, history, reality, and the right of a genetic nation to exist and govern itself in its own interests."
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Left-wing fundie of the year

nikkipotnik420 – #120947: "You defend trans 'women' because its just another way for men to force women to coddle males and put them before our own needs and its transparant as fuck."
Mark Carey, et al. – #117469: "Feminist glaciology is rooted in, and combines, both feminist science studies and postcolonial science studies to meaningfully shift present-day glacier and ice sciences."
Johan Nygren – #118613: "Diagnoses are the contemporary equivalent of racial biology. [...] It’s ADHD and bipolarity and schizophrenia and autism was used to legitimize wage slavery"
University of Capetown Students – #122204: "They believe that [...] you are able to send lightning to strike someone. So, can you explain that scientifically" [Response: "It's not true."] "What you're trying to do is collapse the space and make it antagonizing, which we will not allow. This is a progressive space for people to say their opinions."
National Union of Students – #118198: "The National Union of Students’ LGBT Campaign has passed a motion calling for the abolition of representatives for gay men – because they 'don’t face oppression' in the LGBT community."
Aysegul Gurbuz (Labour Party Moonbat) – #118102: "If it wasn't for my man Hitler these Jews would've wiped Palestine years ago. Sorry but it's a fact. [...] Not hating on Jews btw"
Bailey – #117389: "It’s not irresponsible behavior to not tell someone you have hiv [...] It’s not irresponsible to have sex with somebody without telling them."
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Conspiracy theorist of the year

GLP Anonymous Cowards – #122457: "DO NOT GIVE IN AND MASTURBATE BEFORE THE ELECTION. It will lower your core energy to the lower chakra levels where that the demonic scum need the population to reside in for their ritual magick to be effective."
Nicolas Maduro – #123066: "He added that the situation is an attack by Colombian criminal groups and Venezuela's MUD opposition coalition "combined with international mafias via an NGO hired by the US Treasury." [...]The NGOs, according to the official, hire criminal organizations to move 100-bolivar bills, the largest bill in circulation now, to Colombia and from there to other countries, such as Switzerland, Poland, Ukraine, Spain, Germany and the Czech Republic, where the money is stored in large warehouses."
Alex Jones – #118606: "I’m pro-human so I say, black people, especially, stop killing your kids and get them in church, whatever, take them away from Beyoncé, who wants to eat their brain with the CIA, literally."
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Sexist of the year

nikkipotnik420 – #120947: "You defend trans 'women' because its just another way for men to force women to coddle males and put them before our own needs and its transparant as fuck."
sexselector – #101724: "Pain should never be considered a part of life. Being in pain is not a good evolutionary strategy. [...] Men’s choices in the patriarchy *created* women’s pain."
Matt Forney – #117165: "It’s time to stop beating around the bush: feminists want to be raped."
Saint Elliot – #122565: "The pussy of females can be used even 2 days after their death. Their sexual resources get wasted with the current system and people often die because there aren't enough organ donors."
David J Stewart – #120671: "If your husband wants his cereal in a certain bowl or wants you to wear a certain dress in public... JUST DO IT! If your husband wants you to rinse his glass for 15 seconds or asks you to roll his socks into a ball... JUST DO IT! If your husband wants more grain in his meals... JUST DO IT! If your husband doesn't like the smell of certain foods when you cook them... then DON'T DO IT! If your husband wants you to put the twist back onto the loaf of bread... then JUST DO IT! If your husband wants the toilet seat up at all times... then JUST DO IT! It may not seem fair to you but it is YOUR JOB ladies to HELP your husband."
Vox Day – #117889: "If the definition of rape is stretched so far to include women who have not given consent, then I am absolutely a serial rapist. So, too, is every man I know."
Navigator – #123052: "Rape should be legal. It is this simple. A woman is a sexual object."
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Racist of the year

James Laffrey – #116723: "The jews say Adolf Hitler ordered a 'Final Solution' of extermination of the jews. But Hitler, a humanitarian, a vegetarian, an artist, did no such thing — although, again, he should have."
Wotans Krieger – #117230: "In the Reich that is to come these bastardised noble familes will have no place of honour for they are enfeebled distortions of the once racially pure Germanic aristocracy. Thus we must begin again the restoration of the caste system. Building on the vision of the Rigsthula I propose that these reconstituted castes [...] The Rigsthula makes it clear that this caste was an alien one. The very presence of the Thrall in our lands represents a very real threat to our biological survival as a racial community. Some of these Thralls may outwardly appear to be people of our own blood but the obese, the sexual degenerate, the drug addict, the alcoholic and the career criminal should be regarded as part of this slave under class and the necessary corrective measures undertaken. They are the Untermenschen much prized by the liberal elite."
Janet Bloomfield – #117222: "Don't ban [the burka]. Use it to pick the next one to deport. #MakeAmericaGreatAgain #WhyWomenShouldNotVote"
Vox Day – #121315: "As it happens, the ruination of the United States is the result of the 'contributions' of two groups of immigrants, Irish and Jewish."
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Single-issue wonk of the year

David J Stewart: Creepy-ass Taylor Swift fixation
• #123073: "This perverted screenshot of Miss Swift to the right only appears in this 3:54 minute video for ONE SECOND TOTAL!!!"

Mack Major: Witchcraft and the Occult
#122812: "The biblical word for medicine in the New Testament is pharmakeia: and it means SORCERY. In other words witchcraft, occult power, black magic and potions. Why would Jesus Christ expect His followers to rely on the power of witchcraft or black magic to save them???"

Navaros: God's Holy Righteous Penis
#121503: "You will have to face HIM in ALL of HIS MALE PATRIARCH KING FATHER HOLY RIGHTEOUS PENIS-OWNING GLORY!"

Ann Barnhardt: Made-up fundie disease "Diabolical Narcissism"
#122361: "Diabolical Narcissism is of the most severe variety, what we refer to as “psychopathy”, and thus she [Hillary Clinton] is an Alpha Narcissist, very much desirous of personal power, all the way up to the national and even global level."

WorldGoneCrazy - Anti-abortion crusader
#120192: "All I know is that if fetuses could defend themselves with a gun, there would be no abortions."

Vox Day - Evolution denialism
#120508: [Eric Hovind is refuted by a sixth grader] "[i]t is a form of intellectual combat where the goal is to discredit the interlocutor. [...] Frankly, I'd be surprised and a little disappointed if I didn't have the kid in tears and questioning his faith in science within minutes after asking such a pair of stupid questions [...] Destroy the interlocutor."
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Vulture of the year

#122859: Mack Major – "Someone may ask 'Why are you using this tragedy to promote your ebook?' The simple answer is because it saves lives! Hate to say I told you so, but had those who were partying read my ebook, they most likely would not have been there in the first place [at the Oakland warehouse fire]"
#119803: crunchymama – "My heart is heavy over every aspect of this. that some of those killed were believers[...] that everyone involved turn to Jesus, that our 2nd Amendment rights aren't taken away"
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Batshit-insane person of the year

usachinanukewar, #117354: "This divine pneumonia time bomb in my lungs implanted by Jesus years ago is the best ever gift I’ve received from Jesus."
ComeOnPeople, #122200: "I know longer believe what the government told me about the world. To me they have taken the biblical account and turned it upside down. Making everything revolve around the sun, which is contrary to what the bible says and what scientists and historical artifacts claimed up until nasa."
Vox Day, #119003: "War destroyed the body, but it did not destroy the spirit and the soul in the way peace and prosperity have."
Joe Eigo, #116613: "His sword cuts through what NEEDS to be TRANSMUTED by Lord Zadkiel of The Violet Ray which is the Ray OF TRANSMUTATION AND MERCY AND ALCHEMY. Lord Michael comes along FIRST and TRANSFORMS IT (IN EASIER TERMS ,CHOPS IT ALL UP (NOT RIGHT TERM) AND LORD ZADKIEL LAUGHED WHEN HE SAID LORD MICHAEL LEAVES HIM THE "MESS TO CLEAN UP WITH THE SWORD OF VIOLET FLAME HE WIELDS OF TRANSMUTATION.WE ARE IN THE VIOLET RAY AGE RIGHT NOW. THE AQUARIAN ONE. IT'S THE 7TH RAY."
Saint Elliot, #123058: "Heck, I even considered having sex with a dog cadaver that died outside my window but sadly the janitor threw it away before I could go out and get it at night."
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Funniest quote of the year

#106783: "We will use your leaning tower of pizza to throw off homosexual"
#120864: "Of course, [FSTDT commenters] are all socks of Valri, so the logistics are not too difficult. :-)"
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Nightmare fuel quote of the year

• #119250 (Ryon Travis sov-cit house of horrors)
#120032: "Recent discourse on child pornography falsely portrays it, like child sex in general, as a disaster for the child. [...] Yet there are many children seen in child pornography whose words, facial expressions, body language, and orgasms show that they thoroughly enjoy the sexual activity, sometimes enjoying it immensely."
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One-liner of the year

#122830: "You don't know how much you should fear Jesus"
#119953: "If I could be in the bedroom of every pro-choicer's when they have sex just to talk to them, I would. I could make them see how beautiful life actually is."
#121425: "Beware the beast Hildabeast Clinton and her Vagenda of Manocide"
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WTF?! quote of the year

• #122633: "[STEM] Syllabi promote the positivist view of knowledge by suggesting that there are correct conclusions that can be drawn with the right tools [...] the syllabi reinforce the larger male dominant view of knowledge as one that students acquire and use to make correct decisions."
• #123064: "[Beezow Doo-Doo Zopittybop-Bop-Bop] explained that his first name represents 'the explosion of awareness of the interconnectedness of the infinite love in the universe.' Doo-doo 'is the struggle of our daily lives with that awareness, that with love comes chaos,' and Zopittybop-bop-bop 'is the outcome of that struggle, which is often ironic, especially because all life ends in death.'"
#120864: "Of course, [FSTDT commenters] are all socks of Valri, so the logistics are not too difficult. :-)"
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Incel quote of the year

#122565: "The pussy of females can be used even 2 days after their death. Their sexual resources get wasted with the current system and people often die because there aren't enough organ donors."
#121548 "Modern Western women hate respect. They hate consent. They love bloody beatings. They love death. [...] You are the ones who don't see what's wrong."
#123058: "Heck, I even considered having sex with a dog cadaver that died outside my window but sadly the janitor threw it away before I could go out and get it at night."

Board of the year

/r/IncelHeaven
Return of Kings
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Commenter of the year (winner!)

Hasan Prishtina
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Troll of the year

TimeToTurn
Anonymous "enlightened seer" (see here for where the madness begins — one can only hope it's a Poe)
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Conspiracy theory of the year

PizzaGate
The Mandela Effect

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2016 FSTDT Awards

Nominations

Quote# 122955

Nominations closed — thanks to everyone who nominated! Also very special thanks to Pharaoh for keeping the nominations list up-to-date! The first round of voting will be up in the next day or two.
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This the page for the 2016 FSTDT Awards nominations!

Note: you must be a registered user to make nominations. Nominations from anonymous and unregistered users will be deleted at my discretion. Make sure you're logged in before you make any nominations. If you don't have an account but you want to participate, register here! Don't be shy, because that's me!

In your nomination, try to include a brief explanation of why it is worthy of an award and a few exemplar quotes where applicable. (See my nominations below for an example.) You may make as many nominations for as many awards as you want, and you may nominate as many times as you want (i.e. all your nominations don't have to be in one comment, and I would much prefer you post a new comment than than edit your original comment when adding more nominations). Also feel free to suggest categories and give feedback on how I'm doing and handling the awards this year!

Categories that don't receive much attention will probably be culled from the final vote. The deadline for nominations is December 17.

The nominations will be aggregated and organized on this page to keep from cluttering this one.

And one last (but very important) thing: Please provide either quote URLs or quote #s / IDs where relevant (e.g. fundie-nomination exemplars, quote nominations)!

...and now, ladies and gentlemen, without further ado, the categories are:

Fundie Nominations
• Religious fundie of the year
• Right-wing / conservative fundie of the year
• Left-wing / liberal fundie of the year
• Conspiracy theorist of the year
• Sexist of the year
• Racist of the year
• Single-issue wonk of the year
• Vulture of the year
• Batshit-insane person of the year (generally / overall)

Quote nominations
These are regardless / independent of the fundie who said them, but you can make a double-nomination (i.e. nominate a fundie and nominate one of their quotes for X quote of the year). Quote nominations may be from any section and about anything: religion, politics, conspiracy theories, racism, sexism, etc.

• Funniest quote of the year
• Nightmare fuel quote of the year
• One-liner of the year: Two sentences and 250 characters max, ideally less.
• WTF?! quote of the year: The most bizarre, incomprehensible, or "out there" quote (this would be a prime example if it were from 2016)
• Incel quote of the year: Just since there's been so damn many of them

Board nomination
• Board of the year: may be fundie, racist, conspiracy theory, etc.

Commenter / Submitter nominations
• Best submitter of the year
• Best commenter of the year
• "Best" troll / shitposter of the year

Comment nominations
• Funniest comment of the year
• Best rebuttal of the year

Misc.
• Conspiracy theory of the year: Because this has truly been a banner year for CSTDT...
• False flag of the year: ...mostly because of these
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17 Dec Update:
Today's the last day to nominate!

With that news out of the way, I'll go into detail about the candidate-selection and voting process. If I make this whole thing sound complicated and confusing, it's not really. It just seems that way because I'm going into a lot of detail. Just go with the flow come voting time and everything will make sense. Since I'm going over the voting process in length here, this'll probably be TL;DR for many (most?) people, so I'll also include the most important information here on the voting pages.

Fundies (religious, left-wing, right-wing, conspiracy theory, sexist, racist, single-issue wonk, vulture, batshit-insane person) must have at least one accompanying example quote to make it to candidates. Fundie nominees that still need quotes after today will be disqualified and removed from the list of candidates.

Quote categories (funniest, nightmare fuel, one-liner, WTF?!, incel) and the remaining categories (board, submitter, commenter, troll, best comment, best rebuttal, conspiracy theory, false flag) must have at least three nominees to make it on the list of categories up for vote. Those with fewer than three will be disqualified. (The same also technically applies for the fundie categories, but they have all surpassed the minimum number of three fundie nominees, rendering the whole rule moot for them.)

Voting for fundies and voting for the remaining categories will be done in two separate posts concurrently. Fundie categories will have four rounds of voting, each lasting a week (give or take a day for preparation), and the remaining categories will have two rounds, each lasting two weeks. That makes the total time for voting about a month (That's also about the same amount of time Distind generally allotted to voting, though he didn't do it in rounds.)

For fundies, the four rounds of voting will be:

First round (December 19–24) – Will select the top 3 exemplar quotes for each fundie. If a fundie already has only two or three exemplar quotes, then they will be exempted from this round and will be up for voting in the next. If a fundie has just one exemplar, then they will be exempted from this round and the next, and they will be up for voting in the third round.

Second round (December 25-31) – Will narrow the exemplar quotes down to one.

Third round (January 1-7) – Will choose the various fundies of the year! Their winning exemplar quotes will be embellished with their awards.

Fourth round (January 8-14) – Will pitch each of the winning fundies against one another to choose the one single darndest, fundiest fundie of the year. Their exemplar quotes will have two awards put on them: the category they won and fundiest fundie of the year.


For the remaining categories, the two rounds of voting will be:

First round (December 18–31): Candidates in each category will be narrowed down to three.

Second round (January 1-14): The three remaining candidates will be narrowed down to one, the winners! Each of the winning quotes will be embellished with their awards. Winners in the other categories will receive a special mention in a Shy Says post because I don't know what else to do. Any suggestions?


As with nominations, users must be registered and logged in to vote. If you don't have an account and wanna vote, go make one and use it! I will be the only one in charge of voting and tallying the votes. Letting more than one person do this is just asking for errors. While I'm busy handling voting, Pharaoh and Ravy will be the ones approving new quotes for the most part. They'll also be doing comment moderation after I have a little chat with them regarding trolls.

Oh, and another thing, when you cast your votes in the comments, each comment will be hidden after I count its vote to keep from losing my place and double-counting. So don't freak out if your vote suddenly disappears. That will actually be a good thing: it means I counted it. :) Hiding the votes will also have the benefit of preventing a bandwagon effect from influencing the vote.

But remember, I'm hiding the comments, not deleting them: if you vote more than once, I'll catch you and ask you to pick a vote to keep and discard the other one(s). If they're for the same candidate, I'll just count them as one. If you repeatedly vote more than once, all of your votes will be discarded and you won't get to participate in any remaining rounds of voting. (Any votes will be ignored if you try.)

Votes will be tallied using a combination of automated SQL queries and manual counting to ensure what the queries return is correct. To make manual counting easier for me, follow the ballot format I give on the voting pages exactly, that way my SQL sorcery will count it correctly with minimal fuss and all I'll have to do is verify it.

Whew. I think that covers everything. If you read it all, thanks for hanging in there with me!

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Quote# 122911

I think I got a fix in place for the login issues. Let's cross our fingers and pray to the web.config gods that it works.

Edit: I am tentatively calling this "fixed." If you are reading this, post a comment letting me know if your login is "sticking" now or not.

fixed, maybe possibly hopefully 2 Comments [12/8/2016 8:27:35 AM]
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Mookitty

is shy's cat

Quote# 122788

NOTE: Comments are locked here because party's moved on over to this thread!



Turn over is in progress! I'm working out some kinks before handing everything over completely, but the majority of things have gone well.

I'm having some fun with the comments, and domains will most likely take a bit of time. But we're here, yell at Shy already.

-Distind



...and turnover complete! Shy/Ravy 2016 is here! If you find any outstanding bugs, post the details here. (When you get an error, ignore the e-mail instructions for now; I haven't gotten the new Admin e-mail set up yet.)

-shy

'ere we go!, To a brave new server, five foot over 55 Comments [11/28/2016 3:33:06 PM]
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Quote# 122681

This is possibly my last week folks, but good news, you have a gracious new overlord to bow to! Shy is stepping up to take over admin duties and hopefully we can get the transfer worked out without too much wasted time.

That said, web hosts are being changed in the process. Which means there will be a dead stop of fundies content for at least a few hours, possibly a few days. That said I'm going to be snagging and storing all the relevant data before my hosting runs up and we'll start working on data and domain transfer.

Right now I intend on taking the site down Monday the 28th at whenever the balls I remember to do so. After that you'll get error messages for a bit and hopefully the site comes back up before too long. That said, data transfer from my slow ass server is generally in the realm of hours at best at this scale. So be prepped for at least a day. And possibly more as I may have pulled jury duty for that week. I'll find out Friday.

Edit:
The joys of jury duty are mine, so transfer is going to take a bit. Expect the site to go down around 6pm EST tomorrow, transfer speeds are far better than I'm used to from last time so it may be up sooner than later. I'll post a redirect to the current domain as soon as it's working and we'll get these domains working not too much longer after that.

New boss!, Administration 24 Comments [11/21/2016 3:06:25 AM]
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Quote# 121526

Quick Note before going onto the post, we have someone willing to attempt to take the place over and I'm working with them now. We'll see how things go.

Right-o folks. That time thing, yeah, it's happened.

Given I'm a week behind on quotes and don't have a massive interest in catching up I believe I'm going to be calling my actual end of admin here. I'm just to the point I have other things I want to do with my life.

I'm going to keep the lights on and push quotes out for a while yet, at least till the end of the month, possibly to the end of the year if some individual interested needs time to prepare a new home for the place. But if that's the case I'll be downgrading hosting considerably to save myself some money.

The over all, if you want to run FSTDT, well you're going to have a time of it. The code for the most recent version got nuked with my last hard drive failure and what I have is about three revisions old, which means most of the useful shit I've done in the last two years isn't there. It's livable, but frankly I'd recommend a full re-write anyway. It's the work I haven't had the motivation to do, and being in the middle of remodeling a house, I'm realizing it isn't a lack of motivation as much as a lack of interest in that particular project.

I wrote the original version of this site in about a weekend, it worked fine for a year that way. If you want to write your own I can tell you the tricks I've picked up over the years of handling overly large lists and analyzing comments for horror content. I can also supply a set of test data to build around, and once you've got that up and running the full dump to see how well you handle it. But I'm not up for hand holding anymore, I'm done.

As much as I don't want the site to die, I'm not willing to devote time to it any more and I should at least be honest about that. If you are, well, I'll happily hand the place over to the first schmuck who can handle the test data.

The end is neigh, Seriously this time 96 Comments [9/2/2016 5:08:49 PM]
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Quote# 120292

Remember that whole attempting to hand off the site thing I did a few months back before I started getting too busy to handle it myself anymore. The busy part of it happened.

Once I have a bit more free time I'll be talking to some of the volunteers and see what I can do to set things up, but given the state of the site itself someone would need to be technically competent to actually take it over without driving themselves insane trying to use the existing tools to handle the random shit I have to deal with on a regular basis.

As it stands I generally have enough time to get quotes out still and half the reason I'm still here is that I refuse to let the shitposter win so I'll always make time for that.

Depending on how my checking in goes we'll see how the future goes, and even in the absolute worst case I know three or four people have expressed interest in preserving the database even if they don't quite know what they will use it for. Which I'd be fine with supplying them once I'd stripped out user identifying data should I ditch.

Don't know exactly what I'm up to now for the future, I can't promise consistent quotes these days given my schedule but I should be able to manage something for the near future.

Where the balls have I been?, Community 1 Comments [7/1/2016 5:49:21 AM]
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Quote# 111073

[The 'This is some long shit' edition of FSTDT.

In unrelated news things are largely together here working on the search business again, should update this weekend with something detailed]


These are the notes that I took at the meeting held February 8th, 1992 at Maleny, Queensland.

This is my version of my notes of the meeting with Robert Morning Sky a full blooded Apache/Hopi Indian. Who was raised by his two grandparents after his father was killed and his mother left the reservation.

From the age of 1-5 years, he had no contact with the white man at all. He was taught by his grandfathers and with a group of other young people by a group of people they called the Star Warriors - aliens he code-names Blues.

These people taught him to run 6 miles with a full mouth of water and not choke or spill a drop, then they would return and have to spit the water out at the feet of the Warriors. They had to stand with their backs to their elders who would shoot an arrow and they, the students, would have to turn and catch it mid-flight. He said they didn’t realize - the students - that they weren’t supposed to be able to do these things.

The policy of the Star Warrior is that knowledge is not given, it is earned. The way to learn is to be led to discovery.

There is an old Hopi prophecy (today’s red man is white tomorrows white man is green). The first alien contact started about 1947 - 1948 and they had either already, or were going to spend 50 years with the elders of the Hopi Indian reservation.

A description of the Star Warriors is of clear, translucent skin, large almond shaped eyes and small of stature. The main issue of their teaching was PURSUE YOUR PASSION, follow your own way, do your own thing, don’t be pressured into being anything but what and who you are.

A medicine man is not necessarily a healer, they are people who do their own thing with a passion, i.e. one that will make you practice your practice your own medicine, two, feel better - medicine people make both things one and the same. A warrior is a living example of passion.

What is passion, it is an inner feeling, a love activity. It is that which makes time flow quickly, that one will move heaven and earth to do, that one will make time for. Passion is the unity of union of love between man and woman, which has more power and energy than anything one earth and if harnessed can be unbeatable.

Harmony occurs when ones own heart beat moves in time with another, i.e. the drum music of the dance, the heartbeat of chosen one, the heartbeat of a nation, the heartbeat of the universe and the earth. Think about your passion, if it makes you feel good, and shivery, it is your passion. It is your passion that makes all things possible.

The Hopi tradition is that it is man’s job to make all things possible for the womenfolk. They must attract, but the women must chose.

The reason for long hair is enhancement of beauty and the "Indian love handle" - he mentioned that the caveman used to pull their women around by their hair, he says it was wrong, the Indian women catch their men by their hair!

Men must see the world through the eyes of women.

Passion
The fire, the individuality, the you. It is internal, we are told to be what you are supposed to be, don’t be anything else. We have a life force and energy that if harnessed could cause more damage than an atomic explosion. But we need to practice harmony and frequency. We find our own frequency and can raise it to match another and harmonize, match it don’t contend with it or anything else, or you will be destroyed. The first sensation we receive, is our mother’s heartbeat. We all need to be one harmonious heartbeat.

Body
Your job is to master your own body, if you don’t master your body, nothing will work for you.


Spiritual
Anything else is spiritual, the trees, air, water etc. To attain oneself, you have to move outwards, not grow inwards or else you will become like the black stars and implode.

Shape shifting - is possible by becoming that shape - my feeling is that in making self believe so much that a super imposed image forms in your mind and the mind of those around you - by increasing your own frequency you can become anything i.e. a microwave than excite water, so that it changes and becomes hot.

When our energy rise, so does our body temperature. We have the ability to raise our own and other peoples frequencies.
In 1943 the government conducted a series of experiments called the Philadelphia Experiment, to teleport articles.

It partly succeeded and partly went wrong. On January 8/9th, there was a terrific light storm that was not so much a storm as an immense light show. (During this storm I, Sande, was sitting of the front porch, connected to the storm, Robert, my guide, very clearly spoke to me and told me not to feed the storm). Robert Morningsky video-taped the storm and on part of the film, the form of a ship appeared.

December 19/20 Nexus magazine reported that a ship from the Philadelphia Experiment materialized into one of the bays in Australian Waters and then disappeared. picture (Courier Mail, 31/12/91).

If you are not in tune with your passion you cannot create your own reality. Your passion is your responsibility. Who cares what others feel and think.

Your answers and salvation are within.



1930-1940 World War II
Madman Hitler tried to create the perfect man, and conducted bio-genetic experiments
Work on flying saucers research, development what is known as Foo Fighters - (14.2.1944)
The US developed an atomic weapon and tested it in Northern New Mexico
Others tried to develop Time Travel. Out in the universe, alien nations viewed us and were dismayed. Can you imagine the SS Eldridge going through into another dimension. Whilst testing a new protection device called radar uncontrollable bursts of energy, several flying saucers were forcibly landed. The area of landing was the Arizona area. The Amerindians respected the aliens found.

1948
Several discs crashed, so a military force called blue force was formed, to remove all evidence of UFOs. A live alien was captured and he was called EBE, Extraterrestrial Biological Entity.

It was found that he was not able to eliminate waste through the normal way, it was eliminate through the pores of his skin. He took sick, and a famous botanist Jaro Mendoza was called in, but in 1952, EBE died. A project called Sigma was instigated to call EBEs brothers to come and find him but to no avail.

The satellite dishes were placed on Indian lands, and the workers, believing that the Indian race was non consequential, so gave them quite a bit of information, believing that they would not understand it.


1947
In the locker of one of the landed UFOs were found human parts.


1953
December, contact was made with Aliens. Astronomers found a bunch of space ships going around the earth. Contact was made outside one of the Indian reservations.


1954
Eisenhower met with the greys and was offered certain secrets in return for the use of people for research and experimentation. They informed the president that they were a dying race and needed help to get their bodies stronger and healthier. An agency MJ-12 was brought into effect, to monitor this program of experiments and implantations.

Negotiations were completed and treaty was signed in California. In Florida another body of Aliens arrived, called by Robert Morningsky, as the Blues.

They offered other advice, not to deal with the greys, it would only lead to disaster, but to follow your own path. They would teach with peace and harmony if men would disarm and listen. The military said no deal! So they left, but a few decided to remain and stayed in Northern Mexico and Arizona and made a treaty with the Hopi Indians.

These Aliens are known by the Hopi as Star Warriors.

The greys left an ambassador called Krill and adopted an equilateral triangle as their insignia. The military force name as the Blue Force became the Delta Force and was formed to study the greys. Two bases were built and called several names, the Earth base - Hanger 18, Dreamland or Area 51.

The greys went underground under the reservations in the four corner area of Mexico, Utah, Arizona and California. It was for the purpose of monitoring the Blues. The Blues had to flee the reservation and go into hiding, a few of the Elders went with them.

The Hopi legend is that there were two races, the children of the feather who came from the skies, and the children of the reptile who came from under the earth. The children of the reptile chased the Hopi Indians out of the earth, these evil under-grounders were also called two hearts.

The government has signed a treaty with the children of the serpent. The Hopi have signed a treaty with the children of the feather.

The greys want a perfect body, for a long time, there have been cattle mutilations. Always missing, were the organs of elimination. The grey’s bodies are always cold, and they feed on our energies, our fears, our out of control energies.

When you are fearful and out of control, the greys use and feed on that energy. What we need to do is know that it is o.k. to feel fear, but to flow with it, then control it by redirecting it into a positive event.


(NB - Do we not have an underground installation at Pine Gap that is run by the Americans? - Sande).


Control your passion - life force - you decide what you want, get an attitude! Don’t be afraid to say no! The government wants your money for their pet projects and the greys want your life-force, your energy.

Ask yourself these things.
1. Do the government make laws for themselves or for people.
2. Do they allow us to do our own thing.
3. Are we under their control on government subsidies etc...
The greys decided to stay on earth and needed acceptance, so they hired an advertising agency to come up with some good ideas - hence - My favorite Martian, ALF, Star Trek, Star wars, Alien Nation and ET.

The new program the Mutant Ninja Turtles and the Dinosaurs?? Look and be aware of the symbol of the triangle - TriStar Pictures??? Don’t rely on the government for your support, help yourself where you can. See the movie JFK.


1959
The Jason Society decided to do something about global warming:
1. Blow a hole in the ozone layer, to let the heat out.
2. Develop underground for the elite societies.
3. Develop other planets into colonies. The last two were adopted, but the first has since be done.
Several things have been happening to engender fear and to give more control to the government:
1. Release of dangerous Psychotics and early release of killers and menaces to society.
2. Wars and upheavals.
3. Drug induced societies and drug dependent societies.
4. Mainland China.


Kachina Hopi - great spirit fire

Any living thing that is stressed is food for the children of the lizard.

Robert saw for the first time pictures of crop circles, and recognized them as Hopi symbols. He professed that if he could see them in their correct order, he would be able to ’read them’.

He feels that Mother earth is calling out Help me!


Question time
Q: - Why would governments hide the fact that aliens exist?
A: - If we knew, we would quit doing what the government want us to do.

Q: - Do the greys know they are aliens?
A: - The Greys have interbred - the more they interbreed, the more chance there is that they will lose their memories of who they really are, they become half human and half alien and can be quite mixed up emotionally. They must be 5th and 6th generation greys by now, and who don’t know they are greys. (Where do you think we get all our information from - disgruntled greys!!)

Q: - How can we tell the children of the greys.
A: - They make you feel creepy and have reptilian looking eyes and features. Greys have large eyes and have difficulty focusing. They are arrogant. They will be a strong body odor they tend to drain one of energy. They need to wear sunglasses - CIA????

The Blues
Short, big eyes, wouldn’t describe too much, because they are preparing for something big. You will feel them, and you will know them!! It is possible that a 6th generation grey could end up marrying a 6th generation blue.

Our misuse of our energy can aid a grey to shape shift and thus not be recognized.
(At the meeting, I was with another person, and while the intermission was on, we were quietly talking, when the person appeared from nowhere, and introduced himself to me, using my name. [my name had not been mentioned, neither did I know this man. I did not have a name tag on].

It was an extremely hot day, and when I shook his hand, it was freezing cold and dry. He shook hands with my partner also. We watched him move back through the hall and disappear into a small of people. We watched the front door, and he did not exit through there. But when we looked for him later, he was nowhere to be found.

I have no idea what it all meant, I only know that it was a strange experience. Neither my partner nor I could remember the man’s name, although he has said it twice. No one else had contact with the man, or remembered seeing anyone. My partner was a very logical person, not given to fanciful visions etc.)
On December 21, 1991, a fragmented video tape would trigger a series of events that would permit these papers to come to life.

On the video tape were bits and pieces of information that confirmed what some American Indians have known for some time... that Alien Life Forms exist and walk amongst us.

Due to the release of information on that tape, it is now possible to reveal further information that could not be spoken of before this time.

An ages old code of silence could slowly and cautiously be unveiled. In the late forties and early fifties, a movement began on the pueblo Indian Reservations of the Southwest. It was the intent of the Elders involved to raise an isolated group of young Warriors in the "Old Ways". The teachings began but would soon receive an unexpected presence... the "Star Warrior". (Please read the chronology included).

Hand in hand with the "medicine warrior" ways, the "Star Warrior" ways would become the foundation of education of the young warriors. Hand in hand with the Elders, the Star Brother taught the Secrets of the Universe. Raised in the way of the Kachina, the children knew that the Spirit of things always looks different.

The appearance of the Star Brother was not frightening, he only looked a little unlike us... and... he played with us as a child would.

Knowledge must be earned. Wisdom must be learned... the "Way of the Warrior" would confirm that which was discovered and would give suggestion for direction, but Passion for knowledge MUST be exhibited... and so, the code was born - "confirm but do NOT originate.

Suggest and direct but leave discovery to the seeker of knowledge". These full-blooded Indian boys and girls spent their lives learning through discovery... and one by one they went out into the "outside" world. The author of these papers was one of those youngsters. The material in these papers does not violate the code, it only confirms information which has been uncovered by others.

It is hoped, however, that these papers may give researchers an idea or suggestion for a different perspective which may help to uncover further information on the "Grand Overview".

The information in these papers should not be accepted in and of themselves. You must seek our confirmation for yourself. The credibility of these papers does not depend on its author, but rather on what you discover from your study and investigation of the material presented.

CONFIRM EVERYTHING FOR YOURSELF! THIS IS THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN BE SATISFIED WITH THE TRUTHS PRESENTED.

The material is presented in bold, forthright form. If you seek elaboration.

"Keys" are available upon request.



SECRETS OF THE AMERICAN INDIAN - HOPI LEGEND OF CREATION

The Hopi Indian Legend of Creation tells of three different beginnings.
One story says that we have arisen from an underground paradise through an opening called Sipapu.
The second story tells of the descendancy from our birthplace near a Blue Star.
And the third story relates of a migration from a faraway place across a great body of water.
All three are true.

What matters is not which came first, but that they are all true. (Focus not on the leaf, rather look at the whole tree).


This spot is thought by some to be Sipapu, entrance to the Hopi Underworld.
It is a sacred place of pilgrimage for the Hopi,
at the bottom of the Canyon of the Little Colorado above its junction with the Colorado River.

The story of Sipapu reveals that we emerged in a somewhat undeveloped physical state, much like the prehistoric man.

Our bodies were still forming and pliable, but our features were a bit brutish. Man, called Koyemsi or Mudhead had two small round lumps for ears, two protruding knobs for eyes and one large lump for a mouth. The head was smooth and round as a ball.

As man developed, his physical body and features became more refined until he looks as he does now.

THIS IS THE HOPI VERSION OF EVOLUTION - (Key 1)
- This story of creation says that the underground paradise was wondrous with beautiful clear skies and plentiful food sources.

It was because of the existence of those called Two Hearts, the bad ones, that refuge was sought in the upper world by the Hopi, the peaceful ones. The underworld was not destroyed but was only sealed up to prevent the Two Hearts from rising upon to the surface world.

(Suggested research Hollow Earth Theorists may want to look at this legend more closely. At least one government agency is said to continue monitoring the Hopi Indian, to see when and if a return into the ground begins).


THE SECOND STORY OF CREATION - (Key 2)
- Tells of the descent of the Hopi from the Blue Star of a constellation called the Seven Sisters. One version tells of our travel to earth on the back of Enki, the eagle. Grandfather, the Great Spirit allowed the first man to select his home from the many stars of the universe.

Enki told first man of his home earth, and brought him to visit. First man’s exploration of the earth convinced him that this was where he wanted his children to be born and to grow. First Man returned to the heavens to tell Grandfather of his decision. Grandfather was pleased and granted to first man the right to call earth his home.

First man soon returned to the green place or Sakwap with his family shortly afterwards.

(Many of the hero stories throughout time and through many different cultures refer to a valiant group of seven. Warriors descended from the stars often use the sign of the Seven Sisters on their shields and medallions).


THE STORY OF THE MIGRATION - (Key 3)
- From a great land across the big waters speaks of the departure from a paradise far away. This story parallels many other creation legends, but differs only in that no disaster or chaos seems to have caused the journey.

The purpose of the journey was to begin a new home and a new life. Some interpretations have the Hopi leaving their home in order to spread the Teachings of the Old Ones.


SORCERER VS MEDICINE MAN - (Key 4)
- In the Southwest, as in all areas of North America, there exist men and women who practice the use of power to achieve their goals. Sometimes called the medicine man or woman, sorcerer or shaman, these individuals have often been the subjects of books and even movies. Their practice is often referred to as magic.

Nothing is further from the truth. Magic is the un natural use of the Powers of Nature. They who turn to the practice of disharmony are more properly called witches, warlocks and sorcerers. (It is this disharmony that eventually undoes these practitioners and seals their doom). Medicine men and women work with the force of Nature.

(Move against the river, it weakens and ultimately destroys - move with the river, and the power of the river enters your soul and reveals its knowledge).

One series of popular books (Carlos Castaneda Series) refers to Don Juan. One of the Sorcerers of the Southwestern Desert. His apprentice was known as Carlos. Through the series of books, Carlos is guided by Don Juan and Don Genaro on a path to Sorcery.

The methods used by Don Juan are well known to the Medicine Men and Women of the Southwest and most of what is described in the first two books is a valid teaching technique of teaching by Distraction. However, due to the blinders Carlos refuses to move from his eyes, the two books seem to be rather confusing. This is not because of Don Juan.

Don Juan’s attempts to make him see in another way, are totally rejected by Carlos and the result is a mixed up re-telling of events. Do not accept the final book’s premise that Carlos has achieved the status of Sorcerer or knowing one - that is not the outcome. Those who refuse to remove the blinders and expand their awareness, will forever be trapped in a prison-world of their own making, and will never see the dangers around them.

(They who do not wish to see CANNOT; Those who do not wish to hear CANNOT; Those who do not wish to feel CANNOT. Suggestion - re-read the Don Juan comments carefully).


MEDICINE MAN/WOMAN (Key 5)
- At this point it would be well to mention that Medicine men/Woman are not necessarily healers. In fact, your medicine is your passion. Your medicine always makes you feel high while dancing, then dancing is your medicine. If you feel high while cooking, then cooking is your medicine. Your medicine will always help to cure that which ails you.

Your medicine will always give you the power to rise up and continue. (This medicine is of the spirit) Your medicine is also that which you do. Your conduct in the Land of Living Things, what you do is your signature in life and it is your medicine. how your treat others and how you react to the world is your medicine.

You medicine can help the ailments of others or it could, in fact poison them. What you do effects other at all times. (If your medicine is harmful to others, you, as a medicine man or medicine woman have failed in your task.) What you DO in the land of the living things is your medicine. (This medicine is of the body).

(It is the true medicine man/woman that makes the medicine of the spirit one with the medicine of the body.)


TRUTH AND WISDOM - (key 6)
- Truth and wisdom must always be sought out. Neither shall come easily. If at first, the teacher ignores you... Ask again!

All masters of Wisdom will succumb to the Passionate student. To demand a right to knowledge is to say you provide this for me. To ask for knowledge is to show respect for wisdom and to pursue knowledge is to show passion for truth. (In life, there are no RIGHTS, only privileges). Unlike power, truth seeks to come out. It does not hide, it is hidden by those wishing it to remain concealed. Truth and power are tools to be used. Not ends in themselves.

(Power can cover or uncover truth;...truth can only uncover power; Power can lead to truth...Truth always leads to power. Wisdom is knowing how to use both).


PASSION - (Key 7)
- In order to pursue your Passion, first you must recognize your passion. The following guidelines should help you to identify your passion:
1. Your PASSION always makes you feel on fire.
2. Your PASSION always makes time disappear (five hours always seems like five minutes.
3. Your PASSION occupies most of your waking thoughts.
4. Your PASSION forces you into action, you cannot sit.
5. Your PASSION is something you will always find time for.

AWARENESS - (Key 8)
- There are three parts to Awareness:
1. The Inner Spirit or the PASSION
2. The Outer Being or the BODY
3. The Outer Spirit or the SPIRITUAL
(Master the inner self first, the physical self secondly, then and only then, can the spiritual be conquered).

How can we master the more complex out of body experience if we cannot stop overeating? How can we stop overeating if we do not have Passion or discipline to accomplish it?

All spiritual teachings require mastery of the spirit. Development, or growth, is always outward, not inward. Mastery of the Inner Spirit or passion is first; Mastery of the body or Physical is next; Mastery of the Spiritual is the final step. Those who turn the order around will find their development moving inward and falling in on itself.

(Passion is the secret to all things. Master this and all things shall be revealed to you).


STAR WARRIORS - (Key 9)
- To follow the path of the STAR WARRIOR, you must first eliminate two concepts from your mind and spirit - Can’t and Impossible -. How long would you stay married to a spouse who constantly told you that you could not do something? You can’t go there; You can’t do that; You can’t say that! - Not very long.

So why then permit yourself to deny yourself? Remember, if you believe yourself inferior, you are! If you say to yourself, I cannot - you are right. If you say to yourself, I can - you are also right. To become who you wish to become, first establish who that person is and how they would act. Then, practice and rehearse everything that person would think and do.

(To become a deer, one must act, think, live and be as the deer - only then can the passion of the deer be yours).

In other words, create yourself. Write a script for your own movie. The hero is your. In the script, write all those things you wish for yourself, all those things you would like to do or feel. Then rehearse your script. Practice becoming the hero or heroine of your movie. Rehearse over and over again until you know the behavior instinctively. Slowly, you will begin to know how the hero acts and thinks. Slowly, you will become the hero of your movie and your life.

The only way to become a runner is to begin running - The only way to become a lover is to begin loving - The only way to become passionate is to practice passion - Practice being that which you wish to be...and soon you shall become it.


THE 10 COMMANDMENTS OF THE STAR WARRIORS - (Key 10)
1. I am a child of the Dancing Star born of chaos.
I AM BORN OF THE STARS. THE STARS WERE BORN OF CHAOS. THERE SHALL ALWAYS BE CHAOS, BUT I SHALL ALWAYS BE WARRIOR.

Only in challenge shall we find our greatest strengths and our weaknesses. Only in challenge shall our passions be made strong. The goal of life is outward development. NOT inner peace. Peace that brings no challenge means stagnation. Confidence in self wrought through challenge is TRUE peace.


2. I am fire.
I AM FIRE. I AM PASSION. ALL THAT I DO, I DO WITH PASSION. - Fire is passion. Passion is that inner force that distinguishes us from all others. Passion is that which makes the Bear become the Bear... never will you see the Bear trying to fly as the Eagle, for it is his passion to be the bear. Passion is the gift that allows us to be what we wish. To do anything without passion, is to go through the motions.

To be Passionless is to lose the fight of life. Those who have no fire are easy to conquer and manipulate. The study of Physics and other sciences tells us that all things are comprised of atoms which in turn are comprised of electrons, protons and neutrons...all are particles of energy or electricity. This energy cannot be destroyed, only changed. From these very same particles came the release of a basis of our existence, within our own bodies.

Herein, science has revealed the existence of a force unlike any on this planet, the force which directs each one of us in our path. This is our passion, this is our gift.


3. I see the fire in all things.
I SEE THE FIRE IN ALL THINGS - All things possess fire. All this have spirit. The only difference between man and animal is that they wear different skins. The only difference between man and all things is the skin, or outer covering. In the Hopi world, the spirit of a think is called kachina. It is the kachina that is the fire or passion. Those who can see and hear can learn from those kachinas around us. If you can communicate with another human being, you can communicate with the trees, the wind and all things of the earth.


4. I am but a visitor in the land of living things.
I AM BUT A VISITOR IN THE LAND OF LIVING THINGS - The skin we wear is but a temporary robe. That part of us which is most important is the inner spirit, or the passion. Yet, we must never forget that we are guests in this land and we must conduct ourselves as such. We respect all that is here.

That which we may receive in this place must be left here.. things cannot be taken with us, but all of our riches that we have accumulated in memories and knowledge shall go with us forever.


5. I walk the path of silence.
I WALK THE PATH OF SILENCE - In the Song of the morning sky, there is a line that says live as though you cannot speak. It means that what you do is more important than what you say. If you cannot speak, you must communicate your love and friendship through your actions. You must demonstrate that which you feel.

Let your actions be your measure. Only in silence can you learn. He who talks does not hear - only in silence can you defeat your enemy, he who makes no noise is invisible.


6. I am not seen or heard. I am only felt.
I AM NOT SEE OR HEARD, I AM ONLY FELT - The warrior must make himself felt. If he lives his life and the world has not felt him, he has failed. If he lives his life and grandfather has not felt him, he has failed. His passion must be experienced by others, not witnessed. He who uses his fire warms the world, he who shouts of his fire fills the world with noise.


7. I take only that which I can return.
I TAKE ONLY THAT WHICH I CAN RETURN. THE BALANCE OF NATURE AND HARMONY OF THE UNIVERSE MUST BE MAINTAINED - If the warrior takes a tree for use as a canoe, he must return and plant a seed to replace it. If a warrior takes an ear of corn, he must return and plant another. If a warrior takes a life, he must replace it. In days of old, if a man took the life of another, he returned and took care of the victims wife and family.

It was the civilized European immigrants who taught the Indian to take life without concern for repayment or maintaining the balance of nature.


8. I cannot possess. I can only share.
I CANNOT POSSESS, I CAN ONLY SHARE - Which of the fleas owns the dog? Which of the leaves owns the tree? If there can be such a thing as ownership, does not the grass have first claim to the land? Or cannot the trees make the same claims?

The secret of possession is this, when you make a claim of possession.. that which is claimed to be the possession is not the possessed, that distinction lies with the owner.


9. I am my grandfather in all ways.
I AM MY GRANDFATHER IN ALL WAYS - Grandfather is the name given to the Great Spirit. Grandfather is the name given to the Universe. Grandfather is father of the man to whom I was born.

The universe is Grandfather. In all the universe all things are possible. In the universe. To believe in Grandfather is to believe in all things. I am the great spirit, I am grandfather, I am the universe... in me all things are possible.


10. I am the answer.
I AM THE ANSWER - The Warrior is an answer to a problem. He is not the answer, but one of many possible solutions. The Warrior is the first one into battle, the first one to sacrifice, the first one to step between his loved ones and danger. The warrior is a living example of passion.

POWER - (Key 11)
- True power never allows itself to be confronted directly and never permits itself to be seen. That which appears to be the power is the distraction. When confronted by that which seems powerful, look to either side and even behind you, for there in those places you shall find the real power.

Distractions are not always visual. Each one of the senses can be distracted... sight, sound, smell, taste and touch. If confronted with an unusual sensation, check all senses for their input. Look quickly around you for sudden movement, listen for quiet voices, feel for presences. This is not paranoia, this is a search for revelation.

Yet, the most powerful weapons for distractions are found within the human spirit itself... the mind and the heart. If either is persuaded that the power does not exist, then the concealment is accomplished... the power is hidden.


POWER CENTERS - (Key 12)
- There are, on the face of the Earth, natural centers of power. These centers of power will allow anyone with the ability to focus one’s passion to increase their power by one hundred fold.

The power centers are free and open, and cannot be hidden or destroyed by the forces of Sorcery and Magic. They seek to keep you from them, but these centers are easily located. You shall always find your abilities and awareness heightened when immersed in one. WHEN THE EARTH AND SKY MEET IN HARMONY, THEREIN LIES THE GIFT OF POWER

(Suggestion - the study of harmonics by Bruce Cathie can lead to the location of power centers).


THE BIRD PEOPLE - (Key 13)
- Descended of the skies Enki and his children have been the benefactors of mankind throughout time. Enki’s gift to man is the feather... for it is the feather that allows one to fly, it is the feather that allows one to soar.

(Seek the path of the children of the feather, therein lies the secret of the Star Warrior and Ascendancy).

Mankind has been guided and watched over by these Children of the feather. Throughout history, their tracks are found. Study of the Egyptian, Greek and Roman mythologies will reveal many Birdmen in places of influence. The symbols of nations and peoples have often included the Bird of influence. Man has within his soul the yearning for the heavens.

The gift of Dreams was the gift of the Children of the Feather. (I have dreamed it... my spirit achieved this...now, my body will follow). And how are the angels dressed? Long flowing hair, long flowing robes and wings... feathers that give them flight. (I am of the sky, by the earth... and for all things, I belong). (Suggestion, who are the Children of the Feather?)


THE LIZARD PEOPLE - (Key 14)
- The Reptile is cold-blooded, the warmth of passion is not found within. The seek warmth outside themselves, and survive by stealing the warmth of the fire of other things. This is the way of the Reptile.

The Children of the Reptile have also left their tracks on Mankind’s history. Where there has been deceit and lies, here there has been fear and turmoil... therein, the Children of the Reptile have resided. Seeking to emerge into the World of the Sun, they feed upon the Fire of others... Never forget this! Keep your fire under your control.

(The fire of man burns hotter than a thousand suns. Yield not its flame, and the universe shall feel your warmth).

Seek the Path of the Reptile and you shall find one of the greatest deceits of all time. It was the serpent that aspired to Godhood. It was the Serpent that wanted Man’s adulation and it was the serpent that wanted man’s soul (passion). Those who seek your passion... your spirit...or your soul...are the Children of the Reptile.


PROPHECY AND REVELATIONS - (Key 15)
- In the Hopi world, the interpreters of revelations are the members of the singers society. To them falls the task of revealing and interpreting the signs of the stones given to them from the Old Ones.

From these stones, the future can be read by those who know. Hopi prophecy reveals the return of Bahana, a teacher of righteousness that will restore the Hopi (the good people) to their rightful place, in a world of peace and harmony. Bahana is sometimes thought of as the White brother but is more accurately characterized as the pure one.

Bahana will use the Wisdom of the Ancient Ones and will utilize the Power of the Star Warrior. Bahana will call upon the Spirit of All Things in the world, called Kachinas, to give him the strength to Right all things in the world.

There are many prophecies throughout the Indian America, we shall mention but two:
The day the lances will come - the eagle and the serpent will contend - The children of the feather shall ascend, children of the reptile shall return to the depths - only the fire will keep the stars in their heavens.
The following revelation was delivered in 1928. It is up to you to decipher its multiple meanings...
Today’s red man is white, tomorrows white man is green.

KATCINA - (Key 16)
- The fire in all things, the Spirit or the soul, is called Kachina in the Hopi world. In the Land of Living Things, the Kachina takes three forms...
the Spirit or fire itself
the dancer who imitates and becomes the fire
the wooden carving, often called spirit carving
Those interested in American Artworks should be advised that only the Hopi and the Sister tribe the Zuni, have Kachinas.

There is no such thing as a Navajo Kachina or an Apache Kachina. Each of the Kachinas has a special strength or talent, one special passion or way of life to teach. The Kwahu Kachina, Spirit of the Eagle, is the bringer of Dreams, and gives mankind the ability to soar and achieve. Hon is the Bear Kachina and the bringer of courage and strength. (The presence of a Kachina carving in the home brings the presence of the spirit in the house).

For the reader who has been following the progression of the Star Warrior teachings to this point, the author would like to now present a summation of events that will help to put the old ways into a perspective never before possible. And that is how the ways or teachings of the American Indian can apply to the world of today... and tomorrow.

The follow events are all true...it is left to the reader to verify them (An in depth chronology is offered as a key).


STAR DATES - A CHRONOLOGY - (Key 17)
- The history of mankind is full of recorded contacts with extra-terrestrials since the beginning of time.

Virtually every science, religion and expression of life relates the story of man’s visitations by the Sky People. Writers and researchers spend lifetimes gathering and sifting through information and constantly publish their findings. Recent studies reveal 4 out of 5 individuals believe in Aliens. We now address this issue... and... the Star Warrior.

In 1933, Adolph Hitler rose to power in Germany. It is revealed by those who knew him that he was obsessed with the Spear of Destiny and the Old Ones, who helped guide him on the path to World Conquest. The Spear was reputedly the one that pierced the side of Christ while on the Cross and guaranteed Black power to those who held it. The Old Ones granted Hitler boons in exchange for a price to be extracted from his future.

Because of Hitler’s Quest, four relevant events occurred:
the first was the beginning of a global bio-genetic experiment to breed the perfect super-human
the second was the newly developed science of flying saucer technology
the third was the experimentation of Time Travel
the fourth was the development of the Atomic Bomb
All of these events can easily be verified by the reader.

In 1935, Pope John made the following statement in one of his addresses:
The signs are increasing. The lights in the sky will appear red, blue, green rapidly. someone is coming from very far and wants to meet the people of the Earth. Meetings have already taken place. But those who have really seen have been silent.
In 1941, the United States entered the war.

New evidence on Pearl Harbor reveals that the powers that be knew of the impending attack but felt it must be suffered in order to get the American people completely behind the effort.

In 1945, President Roosevelt died, and Truman assumed the Office of the president. Seventeen days later, Hitler commits suicide in his now famous bunker. Three months later the first Atomic Bomb is detonated in the Northwestern areas of New Mexico; one month after that Hiroshima is the first victim of the Atomic Bomb, and exactly one week later the Japanese surrender.

Through World War II, UFOs are sighted all over the glove. Some are the result of Hitler’s scientists, some are from space. Upon the wars end in 1945. President Truman was confronted with a new problem... crashed discs and alien bodies. In the next five years, the wreckage of 16 discs were recorded, 14 of them in the Arizona/New Mexico area. This posed the government two immediate concerns, one that they were in the same relative area where Atomic testing was taking place, and secondly that human body parts were found in storage inside the crafts.

In 1948, a live alien was captured. EBE was a member of an alien race whose bodily functions were plane-like. EBE was questioned but initially refused to cooperate. In time, his revelations became a guide book for scientists and in fact, it is reported that he assisted Dr von Neumann in conquering Time Travel. In 1952 EBE became ill and died. (The plant-like alien race will hereafter be referred to as the greens. This is symbolic only and should not be taken in any literal sense).

In December of 1948, President Truman issued directives to the CIA that virtually gave them the right to create a secret government to study and control the Alien problem. In addition, Project Blue Book was created to debunk any sightings and not permit real evidence from reaching the public eye.

Prior to EBE’s death, Project Sigma was created to send out distress signals to EBE’s race in the hopes of saving him. Also created was a group later to be known as the Bilderbergers. It was this group that would carry out, in secrecy, the global plans for dealing with the Aliens. In that same fateful year, NSA is created as the agency in America that would handle the Alien problem. (All of these plans made by Truman were done in his last two months in office).

New President Dwight David Eisenhower assumes office only to be suddenly confronted by a new Warfront... the Alien question. Ten more crashes occur, half in New Mexico/Arizona area. But more startling events were yet to come. Later that year, alien space ships took up residency in a high orbit around the Earth’s equator. In late 1953. Close Encounters of the Third Kind really happened in California.

In 1954, President Eisenhower met with this group of Aliens. Negotiations for a Treaty were entered into and, in fact, the resultant Treaty was signed. First ambassador to the Earth from Space is reported to be named Krill.

During these negotiations, a second group landed in Florida. This group attempted to persuade the Humans not to negotiate and ally themselves with the orbiting race of Aliens. This new group offered to help with our spiritual development but refused to exchange any technology. Our salvation they insisted, was in disarming. (This group of aliens shall hereafter be referred to as the Blues... again this is a symbolic reference only).

Because of the offer from the orbiting group; because of the suspicions of the Secret Government; because of the enormous gains to be made by the Treaty... this offer was rejected by the American government.

Upon discovery of their interference, the Alien forces that orbited the equator immediately retaliated against the Blues. Most of the Blues disappeared into the skies, but several found refuge and took up residence on the lands of the Southwestern Tribes of the American Indian. Many Elders saw their prophecies being fulfilled by these Star Warriors and gladly took them in.

The ways of the Star Warriors were virtually the same as the Ways of the Medicine Warrior. In the meantime, the Treaty is developed. (The reader is advised that this is not the first contact by the Greys. Nor the first time an on-going completely visible presence is established).

This alien race, referred to as the greys, is recognized in all their efforts through their symbol, the equilateral Triangle. (Suggestion-investigate any trilateral or delta groups). The treaty calls for non-interference by both parties in the affairs of the other. The greys will be permitted to engage in abductions for the purposes of experimentation if no harm comes to the victims. In exchange the secret government is to receive technology assisting in the development of Time Travel and flying saucers.

Both sides agree that neither side will sign treaties with any other Aliens or humans.

Two bases for mutual use are to be constructed at the outset. The humans select Nevada desert for one base, the aliens select the four corners area of Arizona and New Mexico. The selection of the four corners are forces the blues in hiding to leave the area. Several Elders leave with them to provide assistance and to continue the exchange of Wisdom.

Those left behind have only pieces of the puzzle. Unknown to the humans of the time, the greys already had connection with the children of the reptile. Underground bases would permit easier contact and give the children of the reptile direct monitoring of all activities.

(Perhaps it would be well to let the reader know that at least two alliances, out of the sight of humans, were now in existence... one between the greys and the children of the reptile and another between the blues and the children of the feather.)

In January of 1955, months later, a member of the secret government, secretary of State John Foster Dulles, displays the arrogance fostered by the grey treaty.
"The US defense is now to depend primarily upon a great capacity to retaliate instantly by means and places of our choosing".
This policy is known as massive retaliation and alarms America’s allies.

As the year progresses, mutilated animals and humans are being found. The agency in charge suspects the greys of violating the treaty. It is discovered that the greys have been dealing with the Soviet Union. A battle in the skies is reported to have occurred. The Air Force fails miserably. A presidential study group asserts that the public should not be told or panic and mass hysteria would reign. And that means that the Congress cannot be told.

The group finds out that bio-genetic experimentation must be done by the greys because they are dying out and need a perfect super-human body to survive. The study group also discovers that the greys have admitted to manipulation of mankind through secret societies, witchcraft, magic, the occult and religion.

The study group reportedly confronted the greys and pressed the question. The report says the greys freely admitted to religious manipulation but warned against the departure of man from the church. If man refused to place himself at the feet of christ, even they, with the power, could not prevent the holocaust found in Revelations from occurring. World War III was a certainty. To prove their point, a hologram of the Crucifixion was shown to the group. It was recorded by the study group, and the film exists today.

In July 1957, a symposium held at the international geophysical Year Gather reveals probably self-destruction of the earth due to over-heating and and over-population.

A follow-up study group called the Jason Society, then suggests three alternatives.
One, blasting a hole through the atmosphere to allow the heat and pollution to escape, over-population (it is rejected immediately).
Secondly, to begin building underground cities for refuge of a select few survivors. (All others are expendable).
Thirdly, to establish bases on other planets utilizing the technology of aliens and that of our own development.
Both plans are adopted. (Alternative 2 and Alternative 3).

As a delaying action, birth control, sterilization and new deadly diseases are part of both plans (AIDS is one result).

Using space ships constructed and tested for years, the colonization of the moon and other planets begins in earnest. In order to finance these and other projects, the Secret Government, in 1959, pursues drug smuggling as a major fund raising project. An ambitious young member of the Council on Foreign Relations is approached to use his offshore company, Zapata Oil, to smuggle in drugs.

With the help of the CIA, the project becomes very successful. The president of Zapata Oil is none other than George Bush.

In 1960, John F Kennedy is elected to office by less than 100,000 votes. The following year the public sees the first man into space. Yuri Gagarin. The public does not know that moon colonization has already begun. On the 22 of May, 1960 a space probe lands on Mars and confirms the possibility of colonization.

President John Kennedy discovers the black projects, drug smuggling and the existence of aliens. Kennedy issues an ultimatum to MJ-12, the Secret government Agency in charge, to cease and desist or he will reveal what he has discovered to the public. On November 22, 1963, John F. Kennedy is assassinated in Dallas, Texas, on the orders of the Secret Government.

It should be noted that the vested interests of, not one group, but rather numerous groups involved with the Secret Government, were at stake.

1963, sees the deaths of Pope John XXIII and John Kennedy. Also removed from power were Prime Minister MacMillan of England, West German Chancellor Konrad Adenauer and the USSR’s Premier Kruschev. Lyndon Baines Johnson, assumes office and within months begins his great Society plans to take care of everyone in the United States.

He immediately escalates the War in Vietnam, CIA involvement continues at fever pitch. The Great blackout of New York City occurs. Reports of spaceships just prior to the power outage are confirmed. The areas affected are Southeastern Canada and Northeastern N.Y.

On July 21, 1969, Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldren land the 'Eagle' on the Moon in front of millions of television viewers.

Numerous ham operators and other radio monitoring sites hear Armstrong describe Alien crafts as they watch him.
"My god, they’re real!" he is heard to exclaim.
Maurice Chatelain, former Chief of NASA Communications systems claims all Apollo and Gemini flights were followed by extra-terrestrial space vehicles. He is unable to say where they are from. Later in that year, the Phoenix Project targets mind control. Indigenous people are taken off the streets for testing.

One estimate says 250,000 were taken against their will. Brain damage, extreme mutilations or death are the results.

In 1972, Richard Nixon visits China in February. In June, the Watergate burglars are caught, but in November, Nixon wins his re-election back to the White House.

In 1973, in June, the Watergate hearings begin and Nixon is implicated. The secret government asks Nixon to resign to avoid disclosure of any of the secret projects. Nixon refuses.

In 1974, the fabricated gas oil shortage is in effect, and the impeachment hearings of Richard Milhouse Nixon begin. On the 4th of August, the secret government issues orders to all of the US military Commands to ignore any White House order. On the 9th August, Nixon resigns.

In 1979, Project Phoenix, with the assistance of the greys was successful in producing a Mind amplifier. Under drug influence, psychics, those with mental capabilities above the norm were hooked up to these machines and were able to create physical forms.

The tests were successful!


PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE STAR WARRIOR PAPERS

It is hoped by the author that the above chronology has begun to intrigue the reader at its least.

Please note that much of the information disseminated through accepted Chronologies and Encyclopedias is based on that which was given out by the Powers that be to begin with. Several of the official entries were created to placate and deceive you.

(The reader will be pleased to find several top secret document sources listed in the key on this section. Other sources listed at the end of these papers also include many of the same sources).

The information contained in these pages of summation is only designed to stir curiosity and hopefully inspire some to research and investigate further. There are many, many clues and great amounts of information provided in the summary. Read and re-read them again. Apply all previous keys to the material, one at a time.

The results are revealing.



SECRETS OF THE WHITEMAN - ANALYSIS OF THE GREYS

Though certainly the greys are a formidable power.

Mankind has several advantages going for it. There is, to begin with a universal federation that watches closely the behavior of all the races of the universe. No one race can interfere with another without the willingness and consent of the other race, such interference would result in severe and serious retaliation.

If enough of Mankind rejects the ways of the greys, they would be forced to withdraw or suffer heavy consequences.

(Key 21)
- Another advantage that mankind has is his access to the Power Centers previously discussed.

One of the newest of the discoveries of the earth is the existence of energy belts that gird the planet. It has been discovered that UFO activities follow these belts and that, in fact, the testing of Atomic Bombs and sites of great power, like Stonehenge and the Sphinx, are also on these belts.

At the intersection of these belts, there are great sources of free energy for anyone to use. As in the mind amplification experiments mentioned above, these power centers can be used by one well-disciplined Medicine Man/Woman to produce incredible results. Since all power centers or intersections of the Harmonics Belts cannot be controlled, this free power can be harnessed by Mankind.

(This is the meaning of living in harmony with the Universe as the Ancient Ones revealed).


(Key 12)
- The final advantage we will discuss (this does not imply that there are no other secrets which can be utilized against the greys) is the fire within man that we have referred to as passion. The secret to all things is passion. With passion, all things are possible.

The amplification experiments of the Phoenix Project have been explained as having amplified Brain Waves, in fact, they amplified the passion of the subject. It was that inner will of the subject that was intensified. That inner spirit within all of us, that driving force is manifested in electrical energy.

Master that force and you cannot be controlled, the Universe is yours. Master the inner Spirit and you shall Master the Physical.

The weakness of the greys is that they are passionless. They feed upon our passion that we willingly give up. When consumed with fear and insecurity, lack of confidence in ourselves, we give up our passion to the feeding frenzy of those devouring sharks. You have been given a task, that task is to be you.

Only you have received the passion that drives you, only you can utilize or sacrifice this gift of passion. Passion is the secret to all things - passion is the universe - passion is all things - passion is grandfather - but most importantly, passion is you. (key-7)


PHYSICAL SECRETS OF THE GREYS - (Key 22)
- In the presence of a grey the sensations of the average person are disturbed.

Generally, one will find themselves in a state of extreme unpleasantness or will experience the creeps. Often, there is a sense of intimidation or fear. Instinctively, the human spirit will react to a grey presence. This does not mean that everyone who gives you these feelings is a grey, it is only a clue to the possibility of their presence.

Generally greys have a very difficult time maintaining eye contact. They have a difficult time focusing on things that are near to them, so that even if eye contact is made, they seem to be looking right through you. Again, this is only a clue to the possibility of their presence and should not be construed to mean all those who have this difficulty are greys.

The greys continue to master the physical traits of humans but have still not quite been able to fool a truly passionate individual.


SECRETS OF THE CHILDREN OF THE REPTILE - (Key 14)
- The children of the reptile must not be forgotten in the equation of earthy events.

Their alliance with the greys poses a formidable force. It will do researchers and all who study the greys well to remember that the true power behind them are the children of the reptile. (The chameleon becomes that which he wishes you to see).

Review the earlier information and the Star Warrior path, for now, remember the Secret to all things is Passion and all shall be revealed to you. (The topic of the children of the reptile shall be left for the second set of Star Warrior Papers).


WARFARE- (Key 240)
- The wars of the White Man are begun for two reasons, defense of one’s people and attack for gain.

The defense of one’s peoples is understandable that need not be addressed. The attack for gain is that which we will address. The white man attacks so as to add to his material world, or to use his own words, for a profit. If there is no profit, war is too costly and will not be pursued. The military-industrial complex is the back-bone of modern white man’s world.

Certainly, the history of the American Indian and the white man shows this mentality at its peak. The taking of our lands was solely for the purpose of profit for the new country’s powerful elite. New lands meant new chances to generate wealth.

World War II saw deliberate manipulation by the powers that be to force United States involvement. As a result, the United States became the most powerful and technologically rich country in the world. The most recent war, the Vietnam conflict, will ultimately prove to be nothing more than an elaborate cover for drug smuggling and dope peddling.

What man’s wars are born of greed - not of noble intent.


REPORTED WORLD GOVERNMENT PLANS

Preparations of the public for announcement of aliens by utilizing movies, TV programs, magazines and even children’s cartoons to depict aliens as humankind benefactors. (Aliens are O.K.!)

Key 25
-The creation of a criminal class by the development of public welfare systems that create a dependency on big brother and his money. By later terminating these programs, dependent people will have to turn to criminal activities.

Key 26
- The destruction of lower classes through drugs. The creation of fear in the public of terrorism and crime in the streets which will push gun control. Drug and hypnosis induced individuals will kill at random, thus terrifying the public and causing them to ask for Government intervention.

A government program named Orion was created for this very purpose. Utilizing drugs, subjects became unwilling and unknowing assassins. A recent study of the random-killing murderers disclosed that almost every one of the killers had been treated with the drug Prozac.


Key 27
- The abduction of humans by the aliens and the secret government continues for both experimentation and implantations. It has been reported that one in forty humans has been implanted. On a given command, they will respond as programmed.


Key 28 - THE FATIMA PROPHECY/RELIGION


Key 29 - Reading of William Cooper’s book
- reveals an admission by the greys that they had, in fact, manipulated man through the occult and related practices, but also, through man’s own religions.

The following assertion may be most difficult for the reader to consider, The Fatima prophecy and related sightings, the crucifixion and the burning bush are all deceptions designed to make man willingly yield his planet and his passion to the greys and the children of the reptile. When scared or confused, the passion of man becomes weak and vulnerable.

The energy released, the passion surrendered by losing control is gobbled up by the passionless. To see the answer outside yourself, gives control of your passion to whomever or whatever responds.

Any religion or discipline that immediately separates god and man succeeds in turning your outward, away from your passion. To be god-fearing is to be afraid and sacrifice passion. Redemption by ingesting the body and blood even if it is symbolic in its cannibalism, suggests salvation is external.

A christ-head to whom you must sacrifice self can only be the devourer of your passion. There are no words, no chants, no rituals, no charms, not one simple exercise that can give the secret of ascendancy. The one path succeeds, it is the path that begins within. The teachings of the children of the reptile are intended to make you surrender your passion.

Be wary! it is not the way.

The secret to all things is passion, your passion.


NEW AGE

The following observations are the sole perspective of this author and do not necessarily reflect the whole of Native American Indians. However, most Indians will agree.

PSYCHICS
- Psychics are those who are in tune with the spiritual - while there is value in contact with the spiritual, let us never forget the paramount importance of the inner self and the physical self.

Question, if psychics can speak to the dearly departed, why can’t they speak to those who are about to be born? In the medicine world, we know that the vision required is both the same in both cases. The author personally suspects those who cannot see in both directions.


CHANNELING
- The practice of channeling is seldom done by the medicine world.

Though the practice has its merits, those who act as the channels are truly subject to the integrity of the one who is channeled. In fact, many channelers have had to recant their allegiance when they discovered they were deliberately misguided. This does not mean the channeler was an accomplice to the perpetration of deceitful manipulation of the spirit, but in fact, the channeler was a willing vehicle.

The medicine world prefers the warrior or medicine person make contact with his or her inner passion and truths. It is known to all that with each of us is the knowledge of the universe, the wisdom of the ancient ones, just waiting for us to seek it (look first within, trust that passion and all things will be revealed.)

This is not a condemnation of channeling, but rather a preference for turning inwards for answers instead of outwards.


SPIRIT GUIDES
- This is an age old discipline of the medicine world.

It differs from channeling in that we listen to our guides but do not let them speak through us. We trust our guides but are still responsible for our own decisions and actions. If there is a revelation from our guide, it is for us to find the way to speak of it. We become responsible for transmitting the message, if we fail, we believe our guide will find another who is more worthy that us.

Spirit guides cannot wrongly manipulate us if we stay true to our passions. If we are deceived, we are not true and strong.

We are responsible.


CRYSTALS
- All things have a spirit, in the Hopi World, we call this spirit kachina.

As all humans cannot be trusted, so all crystals cannot be trusted. Some crystals will work for one individual while they drain and harm another. Treat each crystal as you would another human being, establish your own relationship, judge for yourself.


STAR WARRIOR SUMMATION

These few pages are for those who have been gracious and kind enough to request some information on the Way of the Star Warrior.

It is only the first step on a path of revelation and discovery. If the path seems good to you, then continue. If at any point, you have any misgivings, then seek another path, or at the very least, stop, take a deep breath and reassess your position.

The information in these papers, must not be accepted blindly, you must go out and confirm them yourself. Do some investigations and research, study everything and make the decision for yourself. You are responsible for what you do with this knowledge.

If you choose to reject the existence of Greys and Blues, there is still the terror of the one world Secret Government to consider.

If you choose to reject the existence of a secret government, then the information in these papers and other of its kind should make no difference to your existence. they are harmless. (One last suggestion, just because you cannot see or hear it, does not mean it doesn’t exist).

If the information in these papers whets your thirst for more on the Star Warrior, then pursue it. If you remember nothing else, remember this, the secret to all things is passion.

That is the secret power of the Star Warrior.




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Quote# 117872

Hey folks,

I'm looking for folks who would like to join public admin.

Public admin is how quotes get approved, corrected, and otherwise make it to the main page. I approve items out of the queue on a daily basis and it's been a while since we had enough people to actually approve a quote without my intervention, I'd like to fix that.

If you're interested, comment here with your account and I'll do a review and let folks know if they're in or not. I will most likely handle this on weekends, so it may take me a bit to respond, but I will.

If you want to discuss, hit me over on the subreddit as I check that more.

And a few notes for those who are accepted:

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Quote# 117602

[Another reject I find interesting]

We are a group of gay/bisexual men and women who have come to the conclusion that the transgender community needs to be disassociated from the larger LGB community; in essence, we ask that organizations such as the Human Rights Campaign, GLAAD, Lambda Legal and media outlets such as The Advocate, Out, Huff Post Gay Voices, etc., stop representing the transgender community as we feel their ideology is not only completely different from that promoted by the LGB community (LGB is about sexual orientation, trans is about gender identity), but is ultimately regressive and actually hostile to the goals of women and gay men.

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Quote# 117325

Hey folks, Voting results are up on the subreddit go ahead and check them out.

Working on a few thoughts on improving the process since there's been some question on if the best quotes got in, but per rating and then voting these are our winners for this year.

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Quote# 117201

Fundies 2016 voting is over, I'll be calculating the totals as I have time this week, so no totals should be available later than Sunday.

Till next year, Fundies 2016 Voting 2 Comments [3/1/2016 3:38:14 AM]
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Quote# 116704

Community Member of the Year for, Most Impressive Quote Submissions:

1) AJ Williams
2) Ibuki Mioda
3) Ivurm
4) JeanP
5) TimeToTurn
6) undie not fundie

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