Quote# 133211

I have to log off now, but I had to address this. I minored in psychology in college, and in the ‘80s, even being gay, let alone transgendered, was considered a mental illness, according to the DSM.

Thanks to propaganda from the media and Hollywood, things have certainly changed.

Oh, btw...a couple of years ago, I was visiting my dying father in Chicago and staying at a hotel. I went to the front desk to ask for something, and this man came up, wearing a pink dress, pink earrings and pink heels. He had a beard and gray hair.

Everyone there tried to pretend that it wasn’t the weirdest thing they had ever seen. LOL!

proud American in Canada, Free Republic 13 Comments [10/19/2017 3:42:58 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 133210

This Halloween, many unsaved children will come to your door seeking a treat.

Many have no understanding of who Jesus is or the price He paid for them on the cross. As Christians, we do know!

So, let's not be silent but honor our Lord and use this once-a-year opportunity to reach kids and their parents with the gospel. It's so easy!

You'll love the reactions on the kids' faces when they see you're giving out candy AND CARTOONS! Simply drop a tract or two and some candy into their bags and you'll be giving the gospel to kids and their families without leaving home.

Jack Chick, Chick 25 Comments [10/19/2017 3:42:25 PM]
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Quote# 133209

They are full of it, for the following reason. That reason is that there are varying medical, physical, and psychological conditions which disqualify someone from military service.

I know it offends the sensibilities of liberals to say that gender dysphoria is a medical or physical or psychological problem. They want us to say that it is a completely normal condition.

But if we are allowed to call a spade a spade we will say that there are indeed various types of issues which disqualify someone from military service.

Dilbert San Diego, Free Republic 7 Comments [10/19/2017 3:42:19 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 133208

Women’s teams will have to put in language where they explicitly define “woman” as “born with exactly two X chromosomes and a vagina”. Then deal with the hate from the LGBTs.

PapaBear3625, Free Republic 6 Comments [10/19/2017 3:42:15 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 133203

Using Blackrooks standard:
Charlie Manson said he was Jesus, well according to Christian reasoning they can't argue against it without arguing against themselves and their own beliefs.
The logic used is merely through silly fallacious claims to Jesus being Messiah based merely on self testimony & saying he fit 300 prophecy, most of which aren't even messianic or properly read and stated. Some are even comically based on NT post dated script instead of OT.

Using this logic if Charles Manson fit 300 characteristics of Jesus without manipulating the characteristics or cheating like people do in emulating Moshiach then Charles Manson has to be Jesus according to Christian standards of reasoning. And since Charles Manson self trstified he was and does fulfill the coming of Jesus in over 300 ways then Jesus came back bringing division & as a murderer as he said he would in Matthew, Thomas, and Peter.
Since Jesus fulfilled over 300 verses on Satan then he must be Satan of the Bible.
Therefore Christianity standards and reasoning suggest Satan was Jesus and he came back as Charles Manson and your arguing this fact would suggest you are admitting Christianity's logic and reasoning on Moshiach is skewed.

Therfore moshiach claims must be forfeited and the standard to decipher MOshiach has to be re-evaluated and rediscovered by fulfillment of legitimate expectations that are Torah based not oral pagan borrowed traditions and self testimony.
Conclusion" Jesus either wasn't messiah like you thought or by your standards he had to be Satan, either way your character becomes the adversary and thief, thus either way he can be concluded as Satan.

FACT: Jesus is depicted like a long haired hippy in sandles.
Charles Manson claimed to be Jesus and was a hippy in sandles, we must take Manson for his word in even standard to Christians taking Jesus self testified word and claims.
Fact: they say Jesus is son of man & Charles is Man/son.
Fact: Jesus family said he was crazy
Manson and his family is crazy.
Jesus was a murderer from the begining who promised to not bring peace but to cause opposite through division describing a world inferno. Manson did the same with his race war he planed division chaos and worlds end in the same manner setting it a blaze.
Fact: Jesus asked his followers to disregard their parents for sake of him being their new family as did Manson.
Jesus lived in a shack so did Manson.
Jesus hated the Romans, Manson hsted Roman Polanski. Jesus took mushrooms as did his followers according to found texts, Manson did as well as his followers.
Cult leaderJesus had his apostles Manson had his cult flock called his family. Jesus lived and roamed the desert, so did Manson.

Using Christian logic & standards
Charlie Manson Was Jesus and Jesus was Lucifer cause all the verses on Lucifer were 100% fulfilled by the first fallen Christ.

To disagree is to admit the standard used to call him Moshiach is flawed making him Lucifer anyway.... this is called Check mate...
because every excuse maneuver you make out of this still means I got your king.
My kNight to your King= Check Mate!
That's why I use that term, so you'd notice your argument backed you in a corner with 0 excuses and maneuvers left.
All you can do is
2)pretend your mom is calling and run away
3) throw the chess board to the ground and have an ad hominem hissy fit like a child.
So far everyone seems to choose option 3.

HaShev, US Message Board 8 Comments [10/19/2017 1:35:06 PM]
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Submitted By: DiarrheaMan

Quote# 133202

You may have heard about hyper-grace extremists "tokin' the Ghost" (pretending to smoke the Holy Spirit) but this half-baked Bible study may take blasphemy to a mind-numbing level.

Dubbed "Stoner Jesus," the Colorado group invites "students of the Word" to inhale weed, ganja, marijuana, pot—or whatever the going slang for the depressant drug is these days—while they hash out what the Lord is trying to say through the Scripture.

Clearly, this is the fruit of Colorado legalizing recreational marijuana use. Deb Button, a 40-something mother of two, never dreamed of inhaling the THC until Colorado gave the nod. She tried an edible at the counsel of a friend while she was going through a divorce.

"I expected to see unicorns," Button said. "But when I started smoking I just got so connected to God."

Apparently hoping to share the revelation, Button turned to Craigslist to advertise the Stoner Jesus Bible Study. Cynthia Joye showed up to her house, only to find Button "so baked out of her head she forgot she'd invited me over."


Nevertheless, the group has added a diverse mix of faiths to its stoned-out-of-your-mind-Bible-study, including a Mormon, a Catholic, a Greek Orthodox believer, and an atheist who is there for reasons unknown. In one meeting, they studied the Beatitudes from Jesus' Sermon on the Mount and pondered what it meant to be "poor in spirit."

"When I'm stoned, I can't read fast, so I look at every word," said Joye. "Like, what does each one of those words mean? Who's 'poor'?"

This Stoners Jesus Bible study is standing on the word, but not the right word. Button is on a slippery slope, not to mention the example she's setting for her kids at a time when they are probably also struggling with the emotions that accompany divorce.

I started smoking marijuana when I was 15 years old—and it didn't take long for this gateway drug to open the door to many other immoral behaviors.

Smoking weed opened the door to under-aged drinking. We had fake IDs and a good friend at the local liquor store that got us anything we wanted any time we wanted. Smoking weed opened the door to frequent LSD use. Watching my friends take a few "bad trips" failed to scare me enough to stop dropping. Smoking weed opened the door to using ecstasy, which caused my best friend to go into violent convulsions at a party. Of course, that didn't stop me from trying it again and again.

Smoking weed opened the door to a short-term cocaine addiction. One drug dealer I knew ended up with a bullet in his head picking up his supply and another landed in the hospital with an overdose that almost killed him. Smoking weed opened the door to smoking crack with petty criminals in Key West that would end up on America's Most Wanted. Smoking weed opened the door to snorting and shooting heroin in a studio apartment in New York's Hell's Kitchen for a solid week until I was on the brink of addiction.

Yes, smoking weed opened the door to all that and more. It is only by God's grace that I survived—and did not end up struggling with lifelong addictions. It's only by God's grace and prayer and a determined will that I was set free from the demon of pharmakeia. That's why it grieves me to read stories like Button's. The enemy came in at a vulnerable time in her life—while she was in the midst of a divorce—to tempt her to take a legal drug to ease her pain. She could wind up addicted.

The National Institute on Drug Abuse writes, "Long-term marijuana use can lead to addiction; that is, people have difficulty controlling their drug use and cannot stop even though it interferes with many aspects of their lives. It is estimated that 9 percent of people who use marijuana will become dependent on it.

"According to the 2010 National Survey on Drug Use and Health, marijuana accounted for 4.5 million of the estimated 7.1 million Americans dependent on or abusing illicit drugs. In 2009, approximately 18 percent of people aged 12 and older entering drug abuse treatment programs reported marijuana as their primary drug of abuse; 61 percent of persons under 15 reported marijuana as their primary drug of abuse."

Whether you roll it in a joint, smoke it in a blunt, put it in a bong, a ceramic pipe or a crunched up soda can, bake it into brownies or mix it into tea, we should dread the ripple effect legalizing marijuana will have on our nation. Or better yet, we should take authority over the spirits that are working to usher this harmful drug into mainstream American culture.

We have authority in the name of Jesus. Yet we have not been faithful in enforcing the rule of God in this nation. We allowed prayer to be taken out of public schools. We allowed abortion to be legalized. We allowed same-sex marriage to become "normal." And now we are allowing the legalization of marijuana. God help us!

We need to rise up in the name of Jesus with the Word of God in our mouths and bind the assignment over the next generation of youth. Otherwise, we'll see this adopted in churches from coast to coast. Mark my words. This is just a sign of things to come. The good news is, it's not too late to turn this around. We won't win every soul for Jesus, but through intercession we can do plenty of damage to the kingdom of darkness and see an awakening in our land.

Jennifer LeClaire, Charisma News 8 Comments [10/19/2017 1:34:59 PM]
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Submitted By: DiarrheaMan

Junkies for Jesus Award

Quote# 133201

Brandon Barthrop, who says he’s a former meth addict, started a “Christian Crack House” in Minnesota where his followers “get high on the Lord”… by snorting and huffing essential oils.

He explains all this in a video published by VICE.

image: http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/files/2017/08/TheMostHigh.png

Barthrop explains that his place of worship used to be “the main crack house” for a bad area of Minnesota with “36 organized gangs.” But when he was handed the building (someone bought it for a mere $20,000), he turned it into a personal ministry.

“The devil had his crack house. Now I’m gonna have my crack house, and they’re gonna get high on my crack.”

His form of crack, apparently, is burning frankincense and getting “jacked up” on essential oils.

“I do a lot of stuff with essential oils, just for, like, fun. And we snort ‘em and huff ‘em and get all jacked up on ‘em.”

When asked if that makes them high, Barthrop responds, “Yeah, do you wanna try it?”

“This stuff’s so pure that you can orally ingest it and it can be huffed up the nose. You just pour a little on… and just bring it right into your brains and get high on frankincense.”

When asked if the huffing practice was “allowed,” Barthrop specified that it was “completely legal.” He also said Jesus huffed frankincense as a baby — a reference to the magi who brought Baby Jesus gold, frankincense, and myrrh in the story.

“You know Jesus, when he was a baby, started huffing frankincense right in the crib. It’s evidence he was high from birth.”

It’s not just frankincense, though. Barthrop says he also uses “Diamond Oil,” which gives him a “Holy Ghost body high.” He compared it to “like a clean and pure methamphetamine.”

“I’ve got some other stuff that maybe we can get high on later that’s totally like a healthy Holy Ghost body high and it’s called Diamond Oil. And I invented it and own the patents on it.”

Is anyone surprised he has an interest in making money from selling a substance he himself compares to meth?

He says the goal of his group is to “trance out the entire planet” and help people find “the perfect drug.” Being “drunk” or “high,” in their world, is a form of communion with God.

As if that wasn’t enough, Barthrop lashes out against “religion” as “the most evil substance on the face of the earth.” But Christianity, somehow, gets a pass.

“Christianity, in its purest form, is pure pleasure, pure spirituality that benefits everyone around you continuously by positive energy. 2000 years ago they were experiencing ecstasy in the Holy Spirit and it’s been a common occurrence throughout the entire church history and so, the drunkenness is simply ecstasy. It’s pure biblical Christianity.”

Barthrop is right about one thing. Christians have been getting emotional and psychological highs from religious gatherings and rituals for thousands of years. It turns out that, much like the spiritual high felt by someone speaking in tongues, his experiences are caused more by a mindset than by any external force.

I searched online and couldn’t find a reliable source suggesting huffing frankincense actually gets you high, but we all know that real substances aren’t necessary for strong emotional and psychological experiences. All you have to do is believe. Too bad Barthrop is just replacing one addiction with another

Read more at http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/08/02/some-believers-are-getting-high-on-the-lord-at-a-christian-crack-house/#fhBHhvORbIkMtO4Y.99

Brandon Barthrop, friendly atheist 11 Comments [10/19/2017 1:30:02 PM]
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Submitted By: DiarrheaMan

Quote# 133199

It's really come down to this...

Meet Playboy's newest playmate: Ines Rau. That's "Mr" Ines Rau to you though. No it's not a typo: this 'she' is actually a 'he.'

I've been warning you endlessly on this page for the past few years, getting you prepared for what Satan had coming down the pipeline. Many of you thought I was crazy, extra, or gone off on the deep end. I'm not crazy: I've just been spending time in the wilderness alone with the Lord gaining godly insight!

And now it's here in all of its disgusting shame. This - transsexualism, which is really homosexuality - is the end result of all unbridled lust.

And if you don't get your own lust in check, you'll end up running through one of these he/she's sooner or later. It's just a matter of time. Some of you reading this are already caught up.

In fact, you're already prepped for it. Why do you think porn promotes so much anal and oral sex??? Whose idea do you think that was anyway?

This is where it was always going to go. They just had to slowly initiate you into the lifestyle, one porn lust and masturbation stroke at a time. Now the time has come for the full-court press: so I hope you're ready!

I'm telling you: you really NEED my ebooks! Why do you think I wrote them? God showed me what's coming: and this is just the tip of it (no pun intended).

What God has shown me I've placed in my ebooks to help you be prepared and ready too. They will prepare you by inoculating you against the coming demonic virus that's about to sweep the world; that has in fact already begun.

If you're still a slave to unbridled lust, can't stop masturbating and fornicating, and can't get your thought life under control because your mind has been poisoned with so much sexual garbage - get the ebooks and start cleansing yourself while you still can. Before it's too late!

We've entered into a new phase of demonic activity that many simply won't be able to escape from in the days ahead.

If you're not already covered by the Blood of Jesus and honoring God by living a lifestyle of absolute dedication and holiness, you won't be able to withstand what Satan has coming your way. You're going to fold under pressure and be lost.

You've been warned! So don't let it happen to you!

"Because we have these promises, dear friends, let us cleanse ourselves from everything that can defile our body or spirit. And let us work toward complete holiness because we fear God." 2 Corinthians 7:1

Mack Major, Facebook 20 Comments [10/19/2017 12:54:51 PM]
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Submitted By: Yossarian Lives

Quote# 133197

czakal, Wordpress 11 Comments [10/19/2017 12:54:02 PM]
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Submitted By: hydrolythe

Quote# 133195

One of the sprouts of sir Chebli has made a "career". Sawsan first studied gossipscience, namely political science, which delivers zero added value and fully consists of hot air, evidently again financed by the German tax payer. Educated like this, it went quick to her, that you can have mega cash with this polit-blabla, if you jump on the train of the attached Islam-waggon, which leaves the tax treasury wide open for an attack. There is even continuity in the family:

"An important example was her older brother, that works as an imam in Sweden and advises the authority on integration questions."

Susan Chibli has lived a year directly or indirectly from the State. Because of this she has done material damage to the German people. She is in no way integrated, neither in that sense a welfare creating useful member of society neither in a Western cultural nor one shaped like an innovative future. All these Cheblis, that are quickly expanding and infiltrating German politics, will be feed by us with threats of violence, destruction of existence and imprisonment (with taxes). Another function they don't possess. And that's what Germany looks like right now.

Akif Pirinçci, Der Kleine Akif 0 Comments [10/19/2017 12:53:41 PM]
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Submitted By: hydrolythe

Quote# 133192

The Confederate states are monuments to states rights and secession which needs to be erased by the state-ists. Can’t have normal citizens being reminded that there is always an option to federal tyranny via secession. The quickest route to freedom is via secession.

central_va, Free Republic 14 Comments [10/19/2017 12:53:25 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 133191

When it comes to Leftists there are two rules that never fail and have no exceptions.

1. The Leftist mind is NEVER satisfied.

2. Leftists are like burgulars, ALWAYS looking for a unlocked door to break in and control your life.

Kid Shelleen, Free Republic 12 Comments [10/19/2017 12:53:19 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 133190

Well, I think the real reason is that the War of Northern Aggression is still being waged in the land of ideas. It is always reduced to slavery. But, it was more about money, tariffs, and the growth of federal taxation and the centralization of power in the federal government . . . and we have seen the consequences. Now, the free exercise of commerce is diminished (think Obamacare), and even free speech is endangered, as well as Christianity along with the Judeo-Christian foundations of our civilization.

MrChips, Free Republic 9 Comments [10/19/2017 12:53:01 PM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 133182

Most non-whites seem to see no problem with taking over white countries, yet if you ask them if they'd be ok with the same happening to their countries they usually say absolutely not and usually justify it by claiming that Western culture is "different" therefore it's ok here, but not in their country.
They don't seem to see the two scenarios as the same. They seem to take the view that the West is for everyone, while their countries are just for them and they don't seem to even begin to see the hypocrisy in thinking like that.
A lot of non-whites will call you a racist and a bigot for opposing mass immigration into your country, yet at the same time will hate and insult any foreigners in their own country. They genuinely seem to see the term "racist" as a label that only applies to white people opposing mass immigration into their countries, not a label that applies to them.
What is going on here with their mentality? It can't be entirely due to low IQ as even the high IQ, well educated ones think like that.
I guess it must be due to the fact that most non-whites simply have a limited ability to empathise with people, especially people outside their own ethnic group, and are really only interested in their own needs and perhaps the needs of their ethnic group as a whole, but have very limited empathy beyond that.
Non-whites don't recognise a white person who opposes mass immigration as someone who has the same concerns as they would about their own country. They just regard a white person who opposes mass immigration as someone who is potentially standing in the way of their interests and the interests of their ethnic group as a whole, and therefore they regard them as the enemy. Most of them seem to have no ability to see them in the same way that they would see someone standing up for the interests of their country.

Smashmarxism, Reddit 9 Comments [10/19/2017 10:51:30 AM]
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Quote# 133180

God is love Dicky and therefore God is morality. God is the moral standard. Who'd have thought that eh, certainly not the materialists who would have us look for somekind of physical phenomenon or an element Moralanium. Legalists would have the law without the spirit of the law.
Loveists have the spirit of the law.

Morality cannot be an impersonal sort of thing we are all, on a moral day, homeostatically trying trying to achieve. Be Holy says the Bible. In terms of temporal morality we are not expert at all. Now that may not sound like out fault but it is because we are talking about moral expertise which is a different domain from knowledge or skill.

Moral irrealism is a non starter because it has no power or ability for moral arbitration and as for morality being taste, well.

'andles for forks, Religion and Ethics 9 Comments [10/19/2017 10:37:28 AM]
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Submitted By: Nearly Sane

Quote# 133179

Gary, should we be forced to worship gay people next? Their lifestyle is not normal, and we are sick of their constant, endless demands of affirmation.

Judy Alonso, Facebook 16 Comments [10/19/2017 10:37:22 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 133178

We knew it was a slippery slope when they let open homosexuals in the military, it wasn’t about equal rights, it was about forcing people to accept and promote their disgusting lifestyles of engaging in lewd acts of sodomy.

Carl Adamczak, Facebook 12 Comments [10/19/2017 10:37:15 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 133177

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; Congress has made plenty of laws respecting secular humanism. They have also made laws limiting free exercise of an actual religion, Christianity. Congress is in violation of the constitution that governs them.

Stanley Bridges, Facebook 13 Comments [10/19/2017 10:37:03 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 133176

These atheists activist judges are destroying this nation - it is time to oppose them — or to morrow they will say you can not take an oath of office putting your hand on the Bible.

Silvance Tisbi, Facebook 8 Comments [10/19/2017 10:33:24 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 133174

There is nothing wrong with befriending a non-Muslim. However, a Muslim must cultivate and maintain relationships with other Muslims because it transcends simple friendship. It is an act of worship. While Muslims can have non-Muslim friends, they should limit their presence with them lest their interaction paves the way for indulging in unlawful vices.

Marwan, Ummah 5 Comments [10/19/2017 10:31:31 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 133173

i hate doing "part 2" 's and i thought the first was in laymens terms, because thats all i am but in essence it is embrace islam wholeheartedly, we tend to want to make islam fit into our lives, when we should be fitting into islam when you look at our great heros in this deen, from noah, to our commonly referred to "extremists" you see certain common elements

firstly, a true, sincere dedication to Allah and this deen, and not fearing the blame of the blamers, not conforming to any "modernity" in deen or application, but a striving to do the right thing, just as those before us, whether noah till the companions of the prophets and our great scholars Allah opens His book with THIS IS THE BOOK, WITHOUT DOUBT, we need to stop doubting and hesitating and apologizing for this deen

we need to stand up for islam a man once asked the prophet, how do i complete my islam, he said, say there is no god but Allah and stick to it (establish it), that has many levels and meanings and the more we apply it, the more beneficial our islam will be to us

the prophet said that during these times, we would suffer from love of the world and a fear of death, we must remove our love of the world and fear of death and replace it with a disregard for the world and a love for Allah, whether we are dead or alive

AbuMubarak, Ummah 3 Comments [10/19/2017 10:31:25 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 133172

abu talib, the prophets uncle, was a greater help to islam than anyone alive today and he was still a kafir

what i dont get is that islam displays unparalleled brotherhood for everyone in the world, no racism, no sexism, no oppression, fairness, love, coming together of all walks of life, from all over the globe there is nothing even close

and they now want to pick on how we treat kafirs, during the time of islam's golden age, and even as dhimmis, people recognized there was a difference between a muslim and a kafir, it didnt stop people from doing business, or even coming to islam many many groups and nations accepted islam, even though they knew they were kafirs and mushriks before

they WANTED to enter the brotherhood of islam, alhamdulillah today, the kuffar want us to accept them in their infidelity, THIS we cannot do again, we are commanded to be kind and respectful and honest and fair, but NOT to befriend

AbuMubarak, Ummah 1 Comments [10/19/2017 10:31:19 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 133163

Indonesian space institute under siege by flat Earth believers

As the National Institute of Aeronautics and Space (LAPAN) is striving to achieve its goals to advance the country's technology and aeronautical field, it is facing an anachronistic problem that has been emerging recently: Flat Earth believers.

The group, which became a social media phenomenon last year, believes the Earth is flat instead of round. They often cite modern conspiracy theories, as well as literal, non-mainstream readings of the holy scriptures, as the basis of their statements.

Believers of the theory have been swarming LAPAN's social media accounts for months, including a Facebook group of which the institution head Thomas Djamaluddin is a member. Their only purpose: to challenge the simple fact that the Earth is spherical.

This has forced Thomas to purge the group of any users that push this archaic point of view, by deleting their comments and blocking them from the group.

"This attempt is meant to(keep) the discussion useful for others to learn (about aeronautics and space). The fairytale of a flat earth is a public duping attempt," Thomas wrote in the group on Oct. 9.

LAPAN spokesman Christianus Dewanto told The Jakarta Post on Tuesday (Oct 17) that he regretted the appearance of such challenging comments after LAPAN had welcomed flat-earthers to its offices for a discussion. "The discussion was intense," he said.

He referred to a meeting between Thomas and a representative from the Indonesian Flat Earth Society at LAPAN's offices in Jakarta late last year.

Thomas, who is an astronomy and astrophysics professor, discussed every subject under the sun with the flat-earth believer.

Among the topics discussed was the size of the sun, with the flat-earther arguing that the sun looks bigger in the morning. The professor stressed that the sun's size remains the same throughout the day; the apparent difference is created by the Earth's atmosphere refracting the light.

After the meeting, Thomas uploaded an 80-minute video containing the discussion on his blog.

Christianus said he understood this was all about mindset, and it would be a tough task to influence it. "We don't have a problem with that as we will provide them with scientific facts that are as clear as possible."

First expressed during the time of the Ancient Greeks, the flat-earth misconception has often reared its head over the centuries. The latest reappearance occurred last year when many people posted videos on YouTube, in which they claimed that the concept of a round Earth was part of a global conspiracy theory.

In Indonesia, the misconception has found its supporters, with a Facebook group named Indonesian Flat Earth Society having attracted more than 20,500 members, as of Tuesday.

However, media sociologist Ario Seto Hardjana from the University of Indonesia (UI) told the Post that it was an oversimplification to blame social media for the appearance of flat-earthers in Indonesia.

"This phenomenon could be the tip of the iceberg. There are several members of society who have yet to believe in science because of the inability of education institutions to teach the general public to be more rational."

The belief, Ario added, was catalysed by other members of society who had yet to exclude such baseless assumptions from the public discourse.

"We should be worried as this, among other similar things, could lead to a post-truth society phenomenon where scientific truth can be easily ignored."

Indonesian Flat Earth Society, The Straits Times  9 Comments [10/19/2017 7:12:37 AM]
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Quote# 133161

(Discussing video posted by poster supposedly showing soul leaving body )

Yes....even I was sitting next to my father and FIL as they passed away....and I did not see anything leaving the body. If we could actually see the soul/spirit we wouldn't be discussing it in this manner would we?!

We cannot see or hear or feel the spirit/soul and that's the whole point. It is said that, under some special circumstances, especially if the person who died is fairly young, the soul can be felt or even seen. These are unknown phenomena...so going into intricate details is not meaningful.

In the first video the guys on the scene obviously did not 'see' anything. But one of them seems to have felt something as he extended his hand through the soul ....or so it seemed to me.

Also FYI, black souls mean not very evolved souls (more selfish) while white soul means more developed and loving. :)

Maybe the videos are fake...but since I believe in souls/spirits and life after death...I have no reason to assume so. Souls are normal!

Sriram, Religion and Ethics 11 Comments [10/19/2017 12:04:19 AM]
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Submitted By: Nearly Sane

Quote# 133160

A picture of Michelle Obama holding a sign with the words:

Harvey grabbed my penis.

Veteran Patriot, Instagram 10 Comments [10/19/2017 12:04:10 AM]
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Submitted By: Hu’s On First