Quote# 125380

Why Christians Should Support The Immigration Ban

This morning someone asked me, “What you think of the latest executive order? I have a hard time as a Christian accepting what he [Trump] did. Can you give me some reasons why I should support it?”

I feel compelled to share the response that I shared with this person because I am finding it very frustrating to keep seeing people say that, “Anyone who supports the ban shouldn’t call themselves Christians.”

Here is the deal…

This ban should have happened a very long time ago. It’s been a long time coming. The countries included in the ban not only give a home to terrorism but they train and then send them to the west to wage their “holy” war upon us. How can a leader keep allowing this threat to be imposed upon the people he is supposed to protect? His aim is to secure and protect this nation before he can even think about helping anyone else. I understand there are still Christians left in these countries, and let me get one thing straight — my heart goes out to them. However, let’s remember that this ban is not permanent. It is a 120 day ban in order to give the administration a head start and then following those 120 days, will be “extreme vetting” of those who want to enter our country.
Is it more or less Christ-like to be concerned for the treatment of humans abroad rather than our native and domestic citizens? Ultimately, we are being told that we are choosing one over the other but really what we are doing is preserving the safety of the majority rather than sacrificing them for the sake of the threatened minority. Not only do we run the risk of admitting muslims that have already been radicalized, but with the admission of Muslims in general, they are exponentially more likely to be radicalized and execute brutal and barbaric “honor” killings in order to serve Muhammad and earn their place in paradise.

Kayla Adanalian, Tea Party Tribune 12 Comments [3/14/2017 7:13:58 AM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 125379

Huffington Post continues to be a FAKE NEWS site printing fake news against Christians and with its anti-Christian agenda. They printed a fake news item claiming Christians are responsible for fake news -- and then linked to the Creation Museum as an example of fake news.

fake news has its historical origin in Christian fundamentalism
Susceptibility to fake news has its particular historical origin in Christian fundamentalism’s rejection of expert elites... as Trump bans legitima...

Ken Ham, Ken Ham's Facebook page 10 Comments [3/14/2017 7:13:49 AM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 125378

Third Rate Romance

Senators McCain and Graham join the democrats and mainstream media in their war on President Trump. Political Cartoon A.F. Branco ©2017.

More A.F. Branco cartoons at Patriot Update here.

A.F. Branco, Comically Incorrect 16 Comments [3/14/2017 7:09:48 AM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 125374

Sister, it's wrong to say atheists have the right to voice their opinion on such matters. Allah has the right to be worshipped and how can anyone worship Him if they don't believe in Him? It sounds like you're saying they have the right to transgress upon the rights of Allah.

You think they should be allowed call Muslims to kufr? They should be silenced as they will confuse the weak believers and take them to hellfire with them.

And the brother is right in quoting the ayah. Are you arguing against the word of Allah?

All kuffar are like this. They will bring excuses and try to refute any proof you bring them. These kuffar Allah refers to would use the excuse of magic when atheists today would try to refute any signs with "science". You can bring all the evidence in the world but they refuse to believe. In fact, I was giving my sister dawah and she didn't like what she was hearing so she stuck her fingers in her ears like kuffar mentioned in the Quran. The truth has been made clear from falsehood and they refuse to believe.. They do not want to believe and they listen to shaytan

{another quote from the side person}

Either way, what does being an atheist/agnostic and converting to Islam have to do with anything? Do you think ex-atheists are protective of athiests? Only someone with a skewed version of wala and bara would defend them just because they were once like them. I am sure many ex-atheists would agree that kuffar should not be able to convert Muslims. If you truly believe in hell, they why are you okay with the thought of Muslims apostatizing? The kuffar should be silenced and they should not be able to propagate their deen. Censorship is different from execution.

Look, do you think Christians are allowed to come into Muslim lands and propagate their deen? They can believe what they want but they do not truly have a "right" to and they certainly don't have a right to convert Muslims. I can go outside, rob a bank and say I have a "right" to commit this crime and take other people's money, but in the end I will end up in prison

aidaalej, ummah 18 Comments [3/14/2017 7:07:49 AM]
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Submitted By: Allah

Quote# 125371

I want to give you five reasons to affirm the Bible is the Word of God.

First, I believe the Bible is the Word of God because of its scientific accuracy. The Truth of the Word of God tells us that God “hangeth the earth upon nothing” (Job 26:7). How did Job know that the earth hung in space before the age of modern astronomy and space travel? The Holy Spirit told him. The scientists of Isaiah’s day didn’t know the topography of the earth, but Isaiah said, “It is [God] that sitteth upon the circle of the earth” (Isaiah 40:22). The word for “circle” here means a globe or sphere. How did Isaiah know that God say upon the circle of the earth? By divine inspiration.

Secondly, the Bible is affirmed through historical accuracy. Do you remember the story about the handwriting on the wall that is found in the fifth chapter of Daniel? Belshazzar hosted a feast with a thousand of his lords and ladies. Suddenly, a gruesome hand appeared out of nowhere and began to write on a wall. The king was disturbed and asked for someone to interpret the writing. Daniel was found and gave the interpretation. After the interpretation, “Then commanded Belshazzar, and they clothed Daniel with scarlet, and put a chain of gold about his neck, and made a proclamation concerning him, that he should be the third ruler in the kingdom.” (Daniel 5:29). Basing their opinion on Babylonian records, the historians claim this never happened. According to the records, the last king of Babylon was not Belshazzar, but a man named Nabonidas. And so, they said, the Bible is in error. There wasn’t a record of a king named Belshazzar. Well, the spades of archeologists continued to do their work. In 1853, an inscription was found on a cornerstone of a temple built by Nabonidas, to the god Ur, which read: “May I, Nabonidas, king of Babylon, not sin against thee. And may reverence for thee dwell in the heart of Belshazzar, my first-born favorite son.” From other inscriptions, it was learned that Belshazzar and Nabonidas were co-regents. Nabonidas traveled while Belshazzar stayed home to run the kingdom. Now that we know that Belshazzar and Nabonidas were co-regents, it makes sense that Belshazzar would say that Daniel would be the third ruler. What a marvelous nugget of truth tucked away in the Word of God!

Third, from Genesis to Revelation, the Bible reads as one book. And there is incredible unity to the Bible. The Bible is one book, and yet it is made up of 66 books, was written by at least 40 different authors over a period of about 1600 years, in 13 different countries and on three different continents. It was written in at least three different languages by people in all professions. The Bible forms one beautiful temple of truth that does not contradict itself theologically, morally, ethically, doctrinally, scientifically, historically, or in any other way.

Fourth, did you know the Bible is the only book in the world that has accurate prophecy? When you read the prophecies of the Bible, you simply have to stand back in awe. There are over 300 precise prophecies that deal with the Lord Jesus Christ in the Old Testament that are fulfilled in the New Testament. To say that these are fulfilled by chance is an astronomical impossibility.

Finally, the Bible is not a book of the month, but the Book of the Ages. First Peter 1:25 says: “But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the Word which by the gospel is preached unto you.” No book has ever had as much opposition as the Bible. Men have laughed at it, scorned it, burned it, ridiculed it, and made laws against it. But the Word of God has survived. And it is applicable today as much as it was yesterday and will be tomorrow.

It’s so majestically deep that scholars could swim and never touch the bottom. Yet so wonderfully shallow that a little child could come and get a drink of water without fear of drowning. That is God’s precious, holy Word. The Word of God. Know it. Believe it. It is True.

Adrain Rogers, www.lwf.org 14 Comments [3/14/2017 7:04:09 AM]
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Submitted By: PETF

Quote# 125353

I agree that there are several causes.

The sexual revolution in the 1960's screwed up the courtship process and our culture is still suffering from it. Before the 1960's, there were conventions for dating. The man always asked the woman out (or asked for her parents' permission, if she was young). You were not supposed to have sex before marriage. The man proposed marriage, the woman decided whether to accept.

In the 60's, the pill became available and all hell started to break loose. At first, it was just hippie stoners breaking convention, but premarital sex increased, and TV shows and commercials started popping up that urged women to ask the men out, take the lead in the relationship, and propose. The courtship process was disintegrating.

In the 1950's, college dorms were segregated by gender, and there were strict rules in place to keep the kids from being alone in the dorms. (There were still entire schools that were only for one gender, and chaperoned social events would take place so students from the men's college and women's college could meet.) By the 1980's, all that fell apart and college life made hooking up easy. Everyone was sleeping around in their 20's instead of getting married. This was supposed to make everyone feel more happy and free, but everyone stayed single longer and it didn't really work out that way. Lots of people were miserable with no structure for dating.

In the 1990's, two Jewish ladies from New York wrote a book called "The Rules" that became a best-seller and a national phenomenon. It was a guide for women on how to get married, and it essentially told women to reestablish the dating conventions of the 1950's. The book told women to stop asking men out, and it told them to delay having sex. It told them to stay in shape, grow their hair long, dress well, and be well-groomed. The gist was: be a girly-girl and play hard-to-get, because men have a natural instinct to "hunt" for a mate. Men don't want to commit when everything is too easy.

A lot of women followed "The Rules" and claimed that the book increased their self-esteem, led to better relationships, and indeed, led to marriages. But there was a huge media backlash against the book. Feminists said that the book was setting the women's movement back and creating double standards for women. Some of the "Rules" were well-intentioned in theory, but came across on paper as manipulative or rude. Oprah and Bill Maher trashed the book. SNL tried to make it look bad. The authors wrote 4 books total, based on feedback from their readers, but after one of the authors got divorced, the movement died.

More recently, there was an Abstinence movement in Christian communities. This is an agreement between the two sexes, and that's an improvement over "The Rules," which focused only on female behavior. Abstinence got tons of bad press and criticism too. Both movements helped a lot of couples, but failed to catch on in society at large, and that leaves us with lonely, disconnected people, turning to technology for intimacy.

FriedaSpeech, Reddit 18 Comments [3/13/2017 7:58:53 AM]
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Quote# 125351

They can't do that. The left has never been able to engage the actual right wing ("far right") in debate openly, they rely on either violence or in forcing the opposition to concede to their worldview in advance (eg "racism is wrong, you must agree that it's wrong or I will ban you, now try to argue your point of view under that restriction").

The left will only debate with milquetoast "conservatives" who have already conceded to the leftist worldview and are hamstrung on that basis.
When the "far right" starts to speak openly and without forced concession, the left cannot respond with debate and so resorts to violence.

But they should be careful, because after "punch a nazi" comes "shoot a marxist", and this time there's no USSR to save them.

Temp20282, Reddit 14 Comments [3/13/2017 7:58:21 AM]
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Quote# 125343

i grew up watching bibleman
Shame on those who say that bibleman should be ashamed of themselves
you know what?
Jesus said if anyone is Ashamed of Him, He will be ashamed of anyone in Front of His Father in Heaven!?

Krystal Hawk HawkSniper, youtube 17 Comments [3/12/2017 12:31:09 PM]
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Quote# 125342

Awareness of our Creator (or conscious denial of our Creator) would be a definitive feature of our conscious awareness.

Alan Burns, Religion and Ethics 10 Comments [3/12/2017 12:30:33 PM]
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Submitted By: Nearly Sane

Quote# 125337

you're existence is cancer, cucky. kill yourself.?

[To be a cuck you'd have to have been with a woman in the first place... you'd have to work a long way up to cuck on the social scale.?]

that's right virginboy. only problem is that if I was a virgin, and you had scored first, you would still be several tiers below me as far as human worth goes. ur the average fuckface in the crowd: a banal internet-lurking geek who agrees with Feminism and strives to emasculate himself based on his own retardation... lol your banality makes you even below the potential of a virgin... and absolutely any fucking guy can get laid lol. it's only the guys that allow themselves to get cucked are the truly inept, and you're fucking A grade cuck material you little girl. momma's boy bitches like the nostalgia critic, and you, are never going to be better than me lol?

Fudgaboutit, Youtube 18 Comments [3/12/2017 2:24:14 AM]
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Quote# 125335

Donald Trump, Facebook 22 Comments [3/12/2017 2:23:45 AM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 125332

How Does Your Garden Grow?

The left has tried to copy the Organic grassroots Tea Party movement but always seem to come up with more like AstroTurf. Cartoon by A.F. Branco ©2017.

More A.F. Branco Cartoons at Net Right Daily.

A.F. Branco, Comically Incorrect 22 Comments [3/12/2017 2:15:56 AM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 125328

unknow, slideshare.net 16 Comments [3/12/2017 2:10:04 AM]
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Quote# 125327

+Eratosthenes Yes, I truly believe you know God exists. The reason you ask is because you're a sinful man like the rest of us. You deny God and would rather live your sinful life instead of repenting. If you've ever read the Bible you'll see that God NEVER says he sends people to hell for not knowing he exists. That's because you do know he exists. Doubt is just a way the devil tries to pull you away from God. You know God exists but he wants to do anything he can to keep you away from him.?

Philip Paul, youtube 13 Comments [3/12/2017 2:08:52 AM]
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Submitted By: PETF

Quote# 125326

[On if theft for survival is just]

No. Get a job, save up. Don't have a job or are homeless? Too many food banks, soup kitchens and churches with resources. There is always another way. Theft is for crooks and the lazy.

Tearsa Dawn White, Facebook 33 Comments [3/12/2017 2:08:37 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 125325

property is theft... white collar crime is the worst kind, but those criminals in their suits and their ties, get rewarded for ripping us off!!!

Daniel Marius Tripp, Facebook 12 Comments [3/12/2017 2:08:23 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 125320

Right-wing commentator, conspiracy theorist and Donald Trump-obsessed sycophant Wayne Allyn Root recently declared that for business owners, the president is like a beautiful wife who “makes passionate love to you every day, seven days a week.”

Root made the comments during an appearance on The Mark Cox Show earlier this week, where he said that he never tried to start a business during Barack Obama’s presidency since, according to Root, the former president hated the business community. But now Root says that he has been hard at work raising millions of dollars to start new businesses and hire hundreds of people, all thanks to the love and support from Trump.

“There is only one thing that makes me happy and makes me open a business, makes me create jobs,” Root said, “and that is a president who appreciates business people, who doesn’t put us down, who doesn’t call us miserable names … And we have a guy now who I know loves and appreciates business men and women.”

“When you have a wife who makes passionate love to you every day, seven days a week, all men get up and smile [because] my wife’s going to make love to me,” he said. “When you have a wife who hates you and you sleep in opposite bedrooms, guess what? You wake up in a bad mood. So I’ve got a president who likes me now instead of one who hates me. Don’t you think it’s going to put me in a good mood and I’m going to want to hire people? Of course it does!”

Wayne Allyn Root, Right Wing Watch 23 Comments [3/11/2017 2:45:16 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 125317

Dominionist Lou Engle, taking part in multi-day Ohio gathering of the Religious Right group POTUS Shield called on Friday for God to “sweep away” Supreme Court justices and federal judges who would uphold Roe v. Wade, suggesting that God could do so by converting them or killing them.

POTUS Shield is an operation launched by self-proclaimed apostles and prophets, many affiliated with the New Apostolic Reformation, to pray for the Trump administration. The group is holding a multi-day prayer rally at Frank Amedia’s Touch Heaven Ministries Church in Canfield, Ohio, this week. Amedia was a prominent supporter of Donald Trump, who campaigned at a worship event alongside Amedia, and for a time served as the Trump campaign’s volunteer “liaison of Christian policy.” On Friday morning, Lou Engle took the microphone and began to talk about abortion and the federal courts.

Engle said that during a recent five-day fast, he had a dream about women gathering to hear the book of Esther taught. Someone in the dream said that there are two words in the book of Esther that mean “Nazgul,” which Engle stated is the name of “the Witch King” of the ringwraiths in the Lord of the Rings, the “most powerful being of darkness and death” who could be killed by no man, but who is defeated by the King’s daughter as she proclaimed, “I am no man.” Engle said the dream means that God is raising up an Esther movement of conservative women. “We decree it,” shouted Engle. “The voice of Esther is coming to take out the Nazgul, the principalities of witchcraft and death that demand bloodshed for the fueling of the agenda of darkness.”

“God sweep away the judges,” Engle prayed. “Sweep away the Nazgul, the Haman spirit of death. We decree, God, the sweeping of the Supreme Court.”

As we noted earlier this week, Engle called for a three-day Esther Fast to protect Trump from witchcraft; he said women around the world are praying for the reversal of Roe v. Wade and asking God, “pull down these Hamans, remove ‘em, either—” and there he stopped mid-sentence to make a point to those who might be squeamish about his rhetoric:

"I tell you, the church can’t be humanistic right now. I feel this in my spirit. We’re so concerned about these Hamans [the evil advisor to the king in the biblical book of Esther] that we’re not concerned about the millions of babies! I say that we believe that Donald Trump, President Trump, is a Jehu as well as a Cyrus. And I’ve been praying, ‘remove the house of Ahab.’"

In the Bible, God used Jehu to enact his judgment on the sinful house of Ahab, which Jehu accomplished by overseeing the slaughter of Ahab’s family, supporters, and priests. “We need to begin to pray to sweep away the House of Ahab,” Engle said.

“We declare that you are the God of the reversal of Haman’s decrees,” he said. “We declare the reversal of the decree of ’73, Roe v Wade … We declare the reversal of Roe v. Wade. The powers of Nazgul, witchcraft and death are being reversed now over this nation.”

Engle also referred to “The Last of the Giants,” a 1991 book by George Otis, Jr., which describes the history of that moment in terms of spiritual warfare between the church and demonic powers. Engle marveled that when God wanted to “shift and bring down” communism, “one Politboro member after another at that time just simply died…until God got his man Gorbachev.” Engle said another person had dreamed about “The Last of the Giants” and that God and told him, “You’ve been asking for three but I want you to ask for five” judges. “We said ‘Lord, sweep it away.’ Somehow it’s gotta be swept away, by a Sotomayor encounter, or they’re just gonna d—.”

It turns out that both Amedia and Engle have been praying specifically for Justice Sonia Sotomayor to have “an encounter with the living God” so “that she would see things from the mind of Christ, no longer from darkness, but from light, and that she would judge from light.” Engle, who said (wrongly) that Sotomayor’s name means “greater salvation,” prayed that God would “invade her with a dream” and return her to her Catholic roots. “Give us that soul, Lord,” he prayed.

At one point Engle said, “no one wants anybody to die” and that he prays that they get converted, but that when God starts to work he raises up kings and brings them down. Said Amedia, “He can haunt them in the middle of the night.” Amedia talked about his own dream, in which a broom went up one side of the Supreme Court and down the other, but this was not just a house-cleaning broom, but a broom “that brings destruction.”

“The Lord showed me the entire federal court system was getting shook and cleaned,” said Amedia, praising legislation designed to break up the 9th circuit–which he called a “fruitcake court”—and create a new circuit court whose judges Trump would get to appoint.

Amedia said there are 110 federal court vacancies on the federal courts, enough, Engle said, to create “the possibility of shifting the justice system for years.”

Herman Martir, who spoke earlier about his membership on an Asian American advisory panel for Trump, took over to lead prayer for God to “raise up righteous, godly judges.” Said Martir, “We’re legislating in the heavenlies.”

Engle ended the court session with a flourish:

"I want to stand with authority to declare the shifting of these judges, and the shifting of the federal judges of America. We declare it in the name of Jesus. We stand before the courtroom of heaven, presiding God in Canfield on earth, and around the throne in heaven. We stretch forth your rod and rule in the midst of your enemies. We decree a massive shift over the federal courts and the Supreme Court, in the name of Jesus, from the Supreme Court of heaven."

A heads up for you Trump resisters: It’s not just judges who Engle thinks are asking for God’s judgment. Engle had a warning for “those who are funding anarchy.” God is slow to anger, Engle said, but when His time comes, He will “seize the initiative.”

Lou Engle, Right Wing Watch 17 Comments [3/11/2017 2:34:36 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 125316

Mark L. for Ken here: please read this article, where the writer observes that "Mr. Ham didn’t lose the debate (and the gospel was spread to millions of people) and here is the simple reason why: Mr. Nye never addressed the debate topic. So how could someone win the debate if they never addressed the topic?"

Feedback: Did Ken Ham Lose the Debate?

Mark L., Ken Ham's Facebook page 19 Comments [3/11/2017 2:34:22 PM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 125312

Recall, as uncovered by Jonathan Haidt in his research of the moral priorities of liberals and conservatives, that libs have a more constricted moral universe and are therefore less able to understand and empathize with conservative moral considerations. Conservatives in contrast have a broader and more soundly distributed moral spectrum of concerns that one might call “adult”, (as opposed to liberals’ “juvenile morality” that focuses almost solely on harm and fairness).

CH, Chateau Heartiste 17 Comments [3/11/2017 2:27:05 PM]
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Quote# 125311

Question : The Veggie Tales are tremendously popular with our grandkids. My husband thinks that all animation, whether it is veggies or something else, is not good. What is your opinion? Is it right to allow non-humans to talk?

Answer:Berit's impression, which is not a researched answer: I have only watched the Veggie Tales a few times, but I remember two concerns. The first one has to do with the talking plants. Today's emphasis on planetary oneness and interconnectedness promotes the pantheistic idea that humans, animals, and plants all equal members of one global bio-family. Giving human characteristics to plants and animals encourages children to accept this unbiblical notion as more normal and compassionate than God’s ways.

Second, the "cool" language of some of the characters seemed rude and disrespectful. Since children tend to enjoy these assertive attitudes and rude messages, they are likely to remember and imitate them. I don't remember the episodes well enough to comment on anything else.

The following letters offer a broader perspective and some positive points. I continue to have reservations. Remember, lessons in good character may be useful, but if these lessons are presented in a context or setting that conflicts with the Biblical world view, they can confuse a child's understanding of both of reality and of Scriptures. This danger may be more serious than the benefit from the repeated reminders of a good habit. However, I can't validate my concerns until I find time to buy and watch a few more of the Veggie Tales videos.

Berit Kjos, Crossroad Ministries 19 Comments [3/11/2017 2:26:46 PM]
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Quote# 125306

I tell you Biblically, you and I are as sinful as the most promiscuous homosexual in the world! You and I are just as wicked as Adolf Hitler! We are all woeful sinners, deserving of God's wrath against us in the Lake of Fire forever! Romans 3:9-11, “What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.”

There is only one difference between all of us. There is only one difference between those ungodly reprobate homosexuals who were murdered in Orlando, and the millions of sinful Christians who attend church every Sunday across America—and that difference is the imputed righteousness of God which comes only by faith in Jesus Christ! If you are a born-again Christian, the only claim to righteousness that you have is God's imputed righteousness!!! Without the imputed righteousness of God, IN GOD'S SIGHT you'd be just as filthy, wicked, dirty, rotten, contemptible and loathsome as the vilest sodomite, drug addict, child molester, thieving, murderous, thug in history!!!

David J. Stewart, Love the Truth 20 Comments [3/11/2017 2:19:24 PM]
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Quote# 125304

Menstrual red was an appropriate color to celebrate international shrewism. So glad I missed the festivities. Call me when there’s an International Men’s 364 Days to proportionately honor the contributions men have made to the advancement of human civilization.

CH, Chateau Heartiste 13 Comments [3/11/2017 10:47:56 AM]
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Quote# 125301

SAVAGE or whoever the hell this maggot is certainly is an uneducated man when he belittles the greatest first lady this nation has ever had. Even JACKIE KENNEDY doesn't come close for she was an adulterer. Michelle OBAMA should be in a freak show for she has a penis. Nancy REAGAN was a smart alec and insulted the Russian President's Gorbachev's wife. SAVAGE YOU ARE THE SMARTEST OF ALL OUTHOUSES. SET AN BE SILENT WHILE THE FLIES FEAST ON YOU.

Gaylon Barrow, Sarah Palin 34 Comments [3/11/2017 8:19:13 AM]
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Submitted By: Chris

Quote# 125300

"For objective morality to exist, a God is not necessary." No, not really. Aristotle argues it quite well as does Plato. We know that humans all desire happiness and that happiness is found in the good. From there, we can deduce things that are good. That is why there is a tradition in Christian moral theology of the Natural Virtues: Prudence, Patience, Temperance, Justice, and Fortitude. The ability of reason to apprehend what is good and act on it is reflected in Dante's Divine Comedy. Virgil, personifying the limits of human reason, can only guide Dante through Hell and Purgatory. It take theological virtues, specifically Faith informing Reason, to be able to apprehend heaven at all. Take a look at pagan conceptions of the afterlife. Not very joyous places. Elysium is pretty cool but the best they can come up with is that you don't have to work anymore.

What I was suggesting is that you approached the conversation with a complete disregard for the actual position held and created a hilarious straw man.

Master Samwise, Disqus - Religion 12 Comments [3/11/2017 8:18:59 AM]
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