Quote# 128210

[Talking about the shooting of Congressman Scalise]

Whoever shot him should of finished the Job lol. The world don't need more racist old white men.

Carri Sama, Facebook 9 Comments [6/17/2017 8:34:51 AM]
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Quote# 128208

I get what you're saying. You wish to call evolution a scientific fact that takes more than faith to believe millions of years, from fossil to fossil, adding the ones and two's and three's, while many of these fossils are doctored and fake, and take enormous imagination to construct their appearance from fragments of lies. But let's go ahead and make up a story that says fossil x had sex with another fossil x, and out popped a baby fossil B. And while we're living in the land of imagination, let's call this scientific fact and just ignore its true definition, consisting of observable evidence that can be tested. And when we test legitimate fossils, let's pretend the carbon dating proves they're no older than 100,000 years. C'mon now, I can go on and on with this and that. Evolution is a lie, and the Bible explains why there are those seeking to brainwash you.

Serato, Debate.org 14 Comments [6/17/2017 8:34:38 AM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

"WTF?!" Award

Quote# 128176

Hong Kong Goolagong is believed by The Family to be a sexually ambiguous Australian Aboriginal hitchhiking demon who attacks Christian missionaries who bring the advances of Western civilization to dark-skinned people and Aborigines in particular.
The name “Goolagong” was revealed by David Berg in a coughing fit where “every cough was a word and … every word was shaped like a nipple with all the nerves running up to the nipple.” Berg described the 1981 “demonic attack” as similar to being overwhelmed by smothering female breasts.

Selected excerpts from The Battle Of The Bosoms follow

29. WE WERE LIKE A WHITE SAFARI GOING THROUGH THIS JUNGLE, & this thing attacked me with these words shaped like nipples. Isn't that peculiar? It was like I had to grab every one of them & conquer them, just like a woman. You know, there are female spirits, female devils, did you know that? (Maria: Yes!)

40. IT'S FUNNY, WE WERE LIKE A WHITE SAFARI GOING THROUGH THIS DARK JUNGLE & we kept being attacked by these bosoms, & I kept having to grab each one & squeeze it like I was conquering it. And they were like words.--And this big one I had the biggest trouble with until I learned its name. Each one was a word & it came up in the nipple, & you had to squeeze it to conquer it. See, we have to reach out by the hand of faith & really attack, you see? We can't just laugh it off or brush it aside & act like it's not important.

49. I TOLD YOU ABOUT THAT HORRIBLE HINDU TEMPLE IN CALIFORNIA that stood over the cliff where they had these evil spirit rites, but a girl out of that temple got saved in our church. So we went out & walked around it, & Grandmother just felt a terrible spirit off of that place, so she just rebuked it in Jesus' name! She quoted that verse, "You said, Lord, that if we have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say to this mountain be cast into the sea & it shall be done!" (Mt.17:20.) She said, "Lord, I've got faith that I should cast this mountain into the sea, in Jesus' name!"

50.--AND ABOUT TWO OR THREE DAYS LATER WE PICKED UP A NEWSPAPER & HERE WAS A PICTURE OF THIS HINDU TEMPLE SLIDING INTO THE PACIFIC! The whole cliff had collapsed & the temple was half-buried in the ocean! And my mother just jumped up & down with joy! It nearly scared me silly! My God! Whew! It made me realise those things are very real! I mean, you don't just play around with them or laugh at them or think it's some kind of a joke or foolish superstition!

53. WE WERE WALKING THROUGH THIS JUNGLE & THESE THINGS WERE ATTACKING US, these demonic nipples, words, till finally that one got in my throat, isn't that funny? I mean, it's not funny! (Maria: Oh yeah!--The words got in your throat!)--Till finally you prayed with me & I got that name. I guess in my sleep I must have rebuked it in Jesus' name, because that came back to me, you know? I told you after I woke up.

70. THANK YOU FOR FIGHTING THE BATTLE WITH ME, HONEY! I was really really having a battle! The Battle of the Bosoms! Isn't that funny? I wonder why that symbolism? The bosoms are what nurse the child & carry the milk, like the sincere milk of the Word. But these are all like lies, see? Like they were bosoms that were pretending to nourish but instead they were liars that damn, even the names of evil devils & evil spirits! I love you, Honey, TYJ!

110. "THE BATTLE OF THE BOSOMS"! I wonder if that's got anything to do with denipplisation? They were all cut-off bosoms! I remember one of them was trying to choke me! Come to think of it, I think they do have some jungles in Australia! There was jungle in that film we saw about the alligator hunting around Darwin, & up around the Darwin area are where most of the Aborigines live. The more I think about it, Goolagong was a female demon! We couldn't even dream up a thing like that, it's so far out!

Moses David / The Family International, XFamily 51 Comments [6/16/2017 3:00:00 PM]
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Submitted By: Hu's On First

Quote# 128203

I took down my Rebel flag (which you can't buy on EBAY any more) and peeled the NRA sticker off my front window. I disconnected my home alarm system and quit the candy-ass Neighborhood Watch. I bought two Pakistani flags and put one at each corner of the front yard. Then I purchased the black flag of ISIS (which you CAN Buy on EBAY) and ran it up the flag pole.
Now the local police, sheriff, FBI, CIA, NSA, Homeland Security, Secret Service and other agencies are all watching my house 24/7. I've NEVER felt safer and I'm saving $69.95 a month that ADT used to charge me.
Plus, I bought burkas for me to wear when I shop or travel. Everyone moves out of the way, and security can't pat me down. If they say I'm a male wearing a burka, I just say I'm feeling like a woman today.
Hot Damn...Safe at last.

Tom Glowczwski, Facebook 17 Comments [6/16/2017 1:49:00 PM]
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Quote# 128202

Right-wing commentator and radio host Jesse Lee Peterson ripped Democrats as a bunch of phonies who hate God on his show yesterday in the wake of the shooting of Republican Rep. Steve Scalise and others earlier this week.

Peterson was reacting to reports that Democrats had gathered in prayer upon learning of the shooting, which he declared was “phony stuff” because Democrats hate God and are “children of Satan.”

“This is not real,” Peterson said. “What are the Democrats praying for? The Democrats are not of God. All of a sudden when Scalise gets shot, when they hear about the shooting, all the children of Satan are going to come together and pray? Please!”

“The Democrats don’t love God,” he continued. “They could care less about God. Their father is Satan and that’s the reality.”

Peterson said that “Democrats are not about morality, they’re not about love, they don’t care about anything but politics and power,” which is why they are trying to corrupt the nation by supporting things like marriage equality and transgender rights and “everything that’s bad.”

“Why would you want to pray with the children of Satan?” Peterson rhetorically asked Republicans. “They serve a different God than you. That’s reality.”

Jesse Lee Peterson, Right Wing Watch 12 Comments [6/16/2017 1:48:40 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 128199

Three laws of Thermodynamics (note, LAWS, not theory). Evolution says order came from chaos, and order is ever increasing. Thermo says that order is ever decaying.

Butterfly collectors are pretty bad at math, so they don't care. (that is an old joke by the way.)

RedJack, John C. Wright's Journal 20 Comments [6/16/2017 12:42:43 PM]
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Submitted By: David

Quote# 128198

But technically, Darwinism is not science, because it rests on non-empirical assumptions about matter not open to empirical proof or disproof. You cannot hand me a telescope and show me the apeman giving birth to man, or man giving birth to superman. You cannot even breed peas and make them into something other than peas.

John C. Wright, John C. Wright's Journal 10 Comments [6/16/2017 12:42:27 PM]
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Submitted By: David

Quote# 128192

The parasites of the Leftoid Equalist petri dish will only be defeated by weaponized emotions. That means, in practice, relentless mockery of their hypocrisy and delusions, and personal attacks on their grotesque phsyiognomies. The bullies who dished out pain to lefty freaks were right. They were always right. If the weak and degenerate aren’t occasionally reminded of their weakness and degeneracy with public shamings, they get uppity. And uppity neomaxizimdweebies with too much power are a bloodsucking blight on civilized society.

In the war to subvert and discredit a decaying culture overrun by leftoids, your realtalk logic and reason should serve to support your psy ops shivs, not the other way around.

CH, Chateau Heartiste 22 Comments [6/16/2017 12:41:02 PM]
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Quote# 128191

House Republican Health Care Vote Fails

March 24 (Day 83, High Priest): The Republican Health Care Bill failed in the House of Representatives. House Speaker Paul Ryan pulled it from the House floor at the last minute just before a vote at 3:30 PM EDT when Republicans didn't have the votes to pass it. President Trump had pressed hard for the bill as one of his campaign promises to repeal, and later to replace, Obama Care.
This was not just Washington politics but a major spiritual conflict between the Elect and Fallen angels. Satan as the healing serpent (Rev 13:3, 12) is the author of national healthcare, which is socialism. Freedom includes the right to fail, but socialists do not believe that failure should be allowed.

On March 21 President Trump was snookered into supporting NASA's agenda of going to the Red Planet. The Red Planet symbolizes the Blood of Christ. Going there is blasphemy. When the Republican Health Care Bill failed at 3:30 PM EDT, the Red Planet was in conjunction with Midheaven in Aries, for a bloody leader, or suffering from leadership failure.

Florida Defeats Wisconsin

The University of Florida defeated Wisconsin in the NCAA Tournament to advance to the final eight. Florida won the game at the buzzer in overtime with a running 3-point shot from Chris Chiozza. Florida won 84-83. Chris Chiozza wore jersey #11, for a witness. The University of Florida is in Alachua County, which is Florida County #11.
The basketball game was also part of the spiritual conflict in the nation. The NCAA Tournament game was in New York, corresponding to Aries with the Red Planet. Wisconsin was wearing red, for suffering, and Florida was wearing white, for sanctification. The buzzer shot was the work of angels opposing Baal, who was symbolized by a giant weather Elephant over Wisconsin. An elephant is the symbol of Baal.


The Chart at the time the Republican Health Care bill was withdrawn contains a Skull and a Plow. A Skull is a morbid symbol of death at the hands of Satan, who has the power of death with God's permission. The Health Care bill was Satan's. A Plow symbolizes intensive suffering, like being plowed under. The Plow pointed to the Last Adam in Sagittarius, for an enemy attack. The enemy was Satan, but the Republicans thought it was the Freedom Caucus, which refused to support the bill.



The failure of the Republican Health Care bill in the US House of Representatives was a spiritual battle that involved angels, people, and the weather. Satan as the healing serpent was the author of the bill. He was opposed by Elect Angels, including the weather angels, and by mature Christians.
Even the basketball game in New York between Florida and Wisconsin was influenced by the angelic conflict. An angel gave Florida the victory on a sensational buzzer shot. Wisconsin wearing red jerseys, for suffering, lost in New York. The Red Planet was in Aries, for a bloody leader and suffering in New York. The bloody leader corresponded to President Trump from New York and House Speaker Paul Ryan from Wisconsin.

Larry Wood, Bible Doctrine News 13 Comments [6/16/2017 12:40:42 PM]
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Submitted By: The Reptilian Jew

Quote# 128189

When I become a father, my children won't even know what a TV is, except to watch educational films and Christian programs (Bob Larson, Benny Hinn, etc.).

Robert L, Ministering Deliverance 21 Comments [6/16/2017 12:39:58 PM]
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Quote# 128184

(Commenting on story "No to Starbucks: Lady Gaga and Starbucks invest in promoting homosexuality amongst youth", story here: http://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/2017/06/13/lady-gaga-and-starbucks-collaborate-on-2-new-drinks-for-charity.html)

Make no mistake: Gaga and Starbucks are taking 25 cent from each dollar you spend at Starbucks and putting it toward indoctrinating children and spreading a fake doctrine that homosexuality is normal...it's not. It's an abomination and God is not pleased with it.


*Disclaimer: I don't support suicide nor bullying, but I also don't support lying to anyone and causing them to sin and rebel against God.

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - Faith & Religion 15 Comments [6/16/2017 12:38:48 PM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 128183

(commenting on this story, https://heatst.com/world/colombia-marks-first-legal-all-male-three-way-gay-marriage/)

Everett Lunday:
Lust, no matter how you slice it , no matter how it manifest itself or in whom, is always fleeting and does not satisfy.

The wackos are coming out of the woodwork- who knows what kind of "marriage" is next. People are going to do whatever they want to, as Christians, we need to keep focused on our relationship with God thru Jesus Christ every day.

Lady Checkmate:
They don't want marriage. They don't even support the marriage covenant. They want to whoremonger, chase after their sinful lust and mock real marriages.
At best all they wanted were the medical and financial benefits of marriage while they simultaneously thumb their noses at the sanctity of marriage between a man and woman (which they despise), the marriage covenant as God ordained it.

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - Faith & Religion 15 Comments [6/16/2017 12:38:41 PM]
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Quote# 128178


This book investigates the source of the famous split-fingered Vulcan salute in relation to ancient 'Shamanistic' practices of 'Inner Space' exploration. As for the term Occult, which is derived from the Latin Occultus, meaning mystery, life is a mystery betwixt and between the extremes of birth and death; it is this mystery that the Cabbalists explored, which led to an understanding that life is animated by an inner 'Fire.' This intuitive insight into the animating principle of life led to the now iconic hand sign of the Vulcan, which Leonard Nimoy, as Spock, introduced into Gene Roddenberry's creation of Star Trek. This inner Vulcan Fire is known of by numerous other cultures across the globe, whose ancient Shamans deeply explored its mystery, whom were aware that the inner Fire has a female source, which the Cabbalists call the Shekhinah. It is this female source of an inner Fire whom illuminates your dreams; the ancient Greek's experienced her as an inspiring Muse, a Buddhist to that of a Tantric would see her as a Dakini of a Genie, others may even call her a Succubus, Shamans to know her as an illuminating Spirit Wife. This book is fully illustrated.

Faustus Crow, Amazon 15 Comments [6/16/2017 12:37:25 PM]
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Submitted By: The Reptilian Jew

Quote# 128169

[=A comment on a post regarding Universalism=]

A god who saves everyone would not be one worth worshipping. He would be a monster. If God isn't just, I want no part of Him.

Sven, Patheos 18 Comments [6/16/2017 12:37:10 PM]
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Submitted By: Christopher

Quote# 128156

Responding to a comment made by another group member: "The most hated people in the country are former homosexuals and black conservatives. Both threaten the left-wing political agenda."

Very true Kirk.

They are very brave people to let it be known they were delivered from their addictions to homosexuality and transgenderism. But they are so thankful to be delivered that they don't care what others think of them now. Praise God.

Those who are getting OUT of the liberal democratic party are also praising God for that.

I was watching a YouTube Video the other day about a young man that had joined the Antifa movement, but the minute they clashed with the Patriots, his OWN group threw him in front of their group and allowed the Patriots to get HIM while they took off running!!

That is when he realized he was fighting on the wrong side and he admits he is NOW a Patriot. He said the Patriots were always taking up for the people on their side and even saving them when an Antifa member had one of the Patriots down on the ground.

He said that didn't happen on the Antifa side.

Also, I was watching a YOUTUBE video where an elderly BLACK man was taking sides against the YOUNG BLACKS and their Black Lives Matter Group, calling them angry and evil. He claims he is through with being an angry black man and now sides with GOOD against EVIL. I will never forget look on the young black faces when they realized he was calling them EVIL.


dlo_3us2001, Realabortiondebate 2 Comments [6/16/2017 12:36:39 PM]
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Quote# 128154

I have a question for the liberals:

Why did so many of them get so angry when some internet users compared the actress, Leslie Jones, to an APE?

Isn't that where Evolutionist claim they descending from?



dlo_3us2001, Realabortiondebate 11 Comments [6/16/2017 12:36:29 PM]
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Quote# 128152

[From "Your evil lifestyle is still illegitimate. Your suiciding adherents understand this better than you."]

I thought the AIDS march was held in September?

And with the classic Third Edge of the Sword running gag unfortunately comes a sad truth: Edmonton's depraved faggot community and a bunch of their equally disgusting pro-poofter familiars will be on our streets today promoting their choice of an inferior lifestyle.

And as usual, the far left are responsible for the assault on truth and parental rights that comes along with it. They need to be stopped. If you see a faggot today, tell him off. If he touches you, hit him in the face with a pipe. If a leftist does either, do it to them twice.

And now, a little musical interlude on the topic...

Gil Scott Heron The Subject Was Faggots

Feynman and Coulter's Love Child,  The Third Edge of the Sword 2 Comments [6/16/2017 12:36:19 PM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 128149

This generation of traditional Anabaptists and Orthodox Jews don't suck. Modern culture is spiraling the drain, and the mental atrophy caused by smartphones doesn't help. Just reject modern culture.

fschmidt, Reddit 9 Comments [6/16/2017 12:35:26 PM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 128148

Modern culture is degenerating into ignorant morons. I also have no interest in interacting with members of modern culture. I suggest you find a sane alternative (religion) to modern culture.

fschmidt, Reddit 10 Comments [6/16/2017 12:34:25 PM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 128166

End Times radio broadcaster Rick Wiles reacted to the shooting of Republican Rep. Steve Scalise and others while they were practicing for an upcoming congressional baseball game yesterday by calling for the Democratic Party to be disbanded and for liberal members of the press to be “rounded up”

Wiles said on his TruNews program yesterday that Democrats, the media and “the deep state” have been “agitating for sedition” against President Trump ever since the election.

“This must be what Abraham Lincoln felt and heard as the Civil War started,” he said. “It’s about power. The people took it away from them and they’re willing to kill to get the power back.”

“Quite frankly, the Democratic Party should be disbanded as a violent, seditious political movement,” Wiles continued, adding that the “agitators in the news media” should be “rounded up.”

“Rachel Maddow ought to be taken off the air right now,” said Wiles. “MSNBC should be shut down. The Democratic Party should be disbanded as a violent, socialist seditious organization.”

Rick Wiles, Right Wing Watch 33 Comments [6/15/2017 12:38:47 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 128163

The Homosexual Propaganda Campaign

The primary source material for this article is found in two publications, both authored by two gay activists, Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen: 1) A 1987 article entitled “The Overhauling of Straight America” and published in Guide, a homosexual publication, in 1987 (for a synopsis with numerous direct quotes and a link to the article, click HERE); and, 2) a book, entitled “After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90s”, published in 1989. This book was so popular among gay activists that it made the New York Times Best Seller List (for an extensive, relevant excerpt from this book, click HERE). Keep in mind that the success of this homosexual propaganda campaign requires the eager cooperation of our overwhelmingly liberal media, in order to win over the heterosexual majority in America to their cause. The bulk of this information is presented here “in the authors’ own words”, via direct quotes.

This “planned, psychological attack” involves six distinct strategies, which can be summarized as follows:

Desensitization: Talking about Gays and Gayness as Loudly and as Often as Possible

And I quote: “To desensitize the public is to help it view homosexuality with indifference instead of keen emotion. Desensitization aims at lowering the intensity of antigay emotional reactions to a level approximating sheer indifference. The principle behind this advice is simple. Almost any behavior begins to look normal if you are exposed to enough of it at close quarters and among your acquaintances. The acceptability of the new behavior will ultimately hinge on the number of one’s fellows doing it or accepting it. The way to benumb raw sensibilities about homosexuality is to have a lot of people talk a great deal about the subject in a neutral or supportive way. The masses should not be shocked and repelled by premature exposure to homosexual behavior itself. Instead, the imagery of sex should be downplayed and gay rights should be reduced to an abstract social question as much as possible. Novelties cease to be novel if they just stick around long enough; they also cease to activate alerting mechanisms. You’ll have noted this in your own life: if you hear a protracted, earsplitting mechanical screech, you’ll either be so alarmed, or so annoyed, that you’ll be forced to take action; if you hear a softer–though, perhaps, nonetheless annoying–sound, like the ticking of a clock, and can’t shut it off, you will, eventually, shut it out, and may cease to hear it altogether. Apply this to the problem of homohatred. If gays present themselves– or allow themselves to be presented–as overwhelmingly different and threatening, they will put straights on a triple-red alert, driving them to overt acts of political oppression or physical violence. If, however, gays can live alongside straights, visibly but as inoffensively as possible, they will arouse a low-grade alert only, which, though annoying to straights, will eventually diminish. Straights will be desensitized.”

And I quote: “While public opinion is one primary source of mainstream values, religious authority is the other. When conservative churches condemn gays, there are only two things we can do to confound the homophobia of true believers. First we can use talk to muddy the moral waters. This means publicizing support for gays by more moderate churches, raising theological objections of our own about conservative interpretation of Biblical teaching and exposing hatred and inconsistency. We can undermine the moral authority of homophobic churches by portraying them as antiquated and backwards, badly out of step with the times and with the latest findings of psychology.”

Another popular strategy used to undermine the moral authority of Christian churches is to repeatedly point out the moral failings of churches and their leaders. Unfortunately, there are more than enough of such moral failings to keep the gay activists supplied with fresh ammunition.

Jamming: Creating an “Incompatible Emotional Response”

And I quote: “In Jamming, the target is shown a bigot being rejected by his crowd for his prejudice against gays. The ‘incompatible emotional response’ is directed primarily against the emotional rewards of prejudicial solidarity. All normal people feel shame when they perceive that they are not thinking, feeling, or acting like one of the pack. The trick is to get the bigot into the position of feeling a conflicting twinge of shame, along with his reward, whenever his homohatred surfaces, so that his reward will be diluted or spoiled. This can be accomplished in a variety of ways, all making use of repeated exposure to pictorial images or verbal statements that are incompatible with his self-image as a well-liked person, one who fits in with the rest of the crowd. Thus, propagandistic advertisement can depict homophobic and homohating bigots being criticized, hated, shunned. It can depict gays experiencing horrific suffering as the direct result of homohatred–suffering of which even most bigots would be ashamed to be the cause. It can, in short, link homohating bigotry with all sorts of attributes the bigot would be ashamed to possess, and with social consequences he would find unpleasant and scary. The attack, therefore, is on self-image and on the pleasure in hating. Remember, a bigot seeks approval and liking from ‘his crowd.’ When he sees someone like himself being disapproved of and disliked by ordinary Joes, he will feel just what they feel –and transfer it to himself. This wrinkle effectively elicits shame and doubt, Jamming any pleasure he might normally feel. Our effect is achieved without reference to facts, logic, or proof.”

Examples of “Jamming” would include: 1) the repeated use of name-calling, e.g., “bigot”, “liar”, “fundie”, “bible-thumper” and “homophobe” to create a feeling of shame; and 2) the repeated use of potentially disturbing accusations, e.g., “you are part of an ever-dwindling minority”, “more and more churches are supporting gay rights”, “you’re losing” and “all of the mental health and medical associations say that there is nothing wrong or bad about being gay”, all of which are designed to make the opposition – such as born-again Christians — feel isolated, marginalized and out of the mainstream of society; 3) derogatory references to God as “your mythical sky fairy” and to His Word as the “buy-bull”; and 4) witness this trail of vitriolic comments from a single commenter concerning just one article re. homosexuality published on a Christian website…

•“You have no right to interfere with the secular political culture of this country.”
•“You can believe this nonsense all you like but do it behind closed doors and in the privacy of your own homes and churches.”
•“I don’t want to hear another word about your weird cultish beliefs in the streets and public squares.”
•“All religious evangelism is assault.”
•“Americans do not share your views anymore.”
•“You are a reactionary post-modern convulsion.”

Portray Gays as Victims, Not as Aggressive Challengers

And I quote: “Gays must be cast as victims in need of protection so that straights will be inclined by reflex to assume the role of protector. If gays are presented, instead, as a strong and prideful tribe promoting a rigidly nonconformist and deviant lifestyle, they are more likely to be seen as a public menace that justifies resistance and oppression. For that reason, we must forego the temptation to strut our ‘gay pride’ publicly when it conflicts with the Gay Victim image. A media campaign to promote the Gay Victim image should make use of symbols which reduce the mainstream’s sense of threat, which lower its guard, and which enhance the plausibility of victimization. In practical terms, this means that sympathetic figures of nice young people, old people, and attractive women would be featured.”

And I quote:“The mainstream should be told that gays are victims of fate, in the sense that most never had a choice to accept or reject their sexual preference. The message must read: ‘As far as gays can tell, they were born gay, just as you were born heterosexual or white or black or bright or athletic. They never made a choice, and are not morally blameworthy. What they do isn’t willfully contrary – it’s only natural for them. This twist of fate could as easily have happened to you! Straight viewers must be able to identify with gays as victims. To this end, the persons featured in the public campaign should be decent and upright, appealing and admirable by straight standards, completely unexceptionable in appearance.”

Witness here the bombardment of our visual media – TV, movies, comics, theater — with homosexual characters looking entirely normal and being fully approved and admired by heterosexual characters, and the continuing (bogus) claims that homosexuals are “born Gay.”

Give Heterosexual Protectors a Just Cause

And I quote: “Our campaign should not demand direct support for homosexual practices, but should instead take anti-discrimination as its theme. The right to free speech, freedom of beliefs, freedom of association, due process and equal protection of laws–these should be the concerns brought to mind by our campaign. It is especially important for the gay movement to hitch its cause to accepted standards of law and justice because its straight supporters must have at hand a cogent reply to the moral arguments of its enemies. The homophobes clothe their emotional revulsion in the daunting robes of religious dogma, so defenders of gay rights must be ready to counter dogma with principle.”

Familiar examples would include couching “gay marriage” in terms of “civil rights”, insisting on adoption “rights” for homosexual couples and demanding that openly gay boys and teens be welcomed into the Boy Scouts of America because “it’s not their fault” that they like boys. All of these issues are being promoted in the name of “equality”, and mainstream America is buying into it.

Conversion: Make Gays Look Good to the Public

And I quote: “In order to offset the increasingly bad press that these times have brought to homosexual men and women, the campaign should paint gays as superior pillars of society: ‘Did you know that this Great Man (or Woman) was ____?’ We are safest, in the long run, if we can actually make them like us. Conversion aims at just this. We mean conversion of the average American’s emotions, mind, and will, through a planned psychological attack, in the form of propaganda fed to the nation via the media. In Conversion, the bigot, who holds a very negative stereotypic picture, is repeatedly exposed to literal picture/label pairs, in magazines, and on billboards and TV, of gay- explicitly labeled as such!–who not only don’t look like his picture of a homosexual, but are carefully selected to look either like the bigot and his friends, or like any one of his other stereotypes of all-right guys– the kind of people he already likes and admires. The image must be that of an icon of normality.”

Witness here the eagerness of the liberal press to publicize the gayness of popular celebrities, whether they are music stars, movie stars, TV stars, sports stars, politicians, etc. This tactic is designed to create an internal conflict within the fan: “Do I dislike the celebrity because of his/her homosexuality, or do I accept his/her homosexuality and continue to like the celebrity?” The average, uninformed or misinformed American is likely to choose the latter.

And I quote: “The objection will be raised that we are exchanging one false stereotype for another equally false; that our ads are lies; that that is not how all gays actually look; that gays know it, and bigots know it. Yes, of course–we know it, too. But it makes no difference that the ads are lies; not to us, because we’re using them to ethically good effect. In Conversion, the target is shown his crowd actually associating with gays in good fellowship. Once again, it’s very difficult for the average person, who, by nature and training, almost invariably feels what he sees his fellows feeling, not to respond in this knee-jerk fashion to a sufficiently calculated advertisement.”

Witness here the bombardment of our mainstream, liberal media – TV, movies, magazines, newspapers, comics, theater, billboards and the internet — with homosexual characters looking entirely normal and being fully approved and admired by heterosexual characters and/oror praised through rhetoric.

Make the Anti-gay Victimizers Look Bad

And I quote: “At a later stage of the media campaign for gay rights it will be time to get tough with remaining opponents. To be blunt, they must be vilified. Our goal here is twofold. First, we seek to replace the mainstream’s self-righteous pride about its homophobia with shame and guilt. Second, we intend to make the antigays look so nasty that average Americans will want to dissociate themselves from such types. The public should be shown images of ranting homophobes whose secondary traits and beliefs disgust middle America. These images might include: the Ku Klux Klan demanding that gays be burned alive or castrated; bigoted southern ministers drooling with hysterical hatred to a degree that looks both comical and deranged; a tour of Nazi concentration camps where homosexuals were tortured and gassed.

A common tactic used nowadays to vilify born-again Christians is to claim that the Bible approves of slavery, polygamy, incest, etc., in order to portray Christians as rank “cherry picking” hypocrites for selectively condemning the practice of homosexuality. Another common tactic is “jamming”, as described above, where born-again Christians, in particular, are constantly subjected to name-calling, e.g., “bigot”, “liar”, “fundie”, “bible-thumper” and “homophobe.” And, of course, this strategy depends entirely upon the eager cooperation of our mainstream, liberal media – TV, movies, magazines, newspapers, comics, theater, billboards and the internet. And, as you will see below, even Christian online magazines are joining in.

The Legacy Lives On

Present day gay activists vehemently deny both any knowledge of Kirk and Madsen and the influence of Kirk and Madsen on the strategies of today’s homosexual movement. They do this because they don’t want the dark and sinister underbelly of the homosexual movement to be exposed to the heterosexual majority. That would hinder their goal of winning the hearts and minds of the heterosexual majority to their agenda. But much of what they are actually doing to further their “gay agenda” is proof positive that they are both the progeny and the legacy of these two pioneers of the homosexual movement. I cited many present day, and all too familiar, examples of this in the sections above, and you can read many, many more examples by clicking HERE and reading the comments at the end of the article. The actions and the words of gay activists themselves demonstrate that the legacy of Kirk and Madsen does, in fact, live on.

The Use of Christian Websites to Attack Born-again Christians

I have personally investigated more than a dozen Christian online magazines that allow readers to comment on their feature articles, and almost every one of them permits gay activists to freely use these very same psychological attacks, via their Comments, against the born-again Christians who are among their readers and commenters. These publications are free to filter comments any way they want to; the First Amendment does not prohibit them from doing so. Now, I don’t know if the editors of these magazines are simply not aware that the homosexual movement is using them in this way – as a Trojan Horse, in effect — to attack born-again Christians; or if, perhaps, they already know this, but have their reasons to permit it anyway. But I do know this: everything is done for a reason, but not everything that is done has an excuse. And I do know that born-again Christians should be able to read Comments on Christian magazine websites without being subjected to psychological attacks by gay activists.

The Antidotes

The Bible provides effective antidotes to help born-again Christians combat these psychological attacks. Jesus experienced similar psychological attacks and said: “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.” (Matthew 5:11-12); “If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.” (John 15:19); and “I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world. My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one.” (John 17:14-15). And Hebrews 12:2-3 reminds us that Jesus, for the joy set before him, endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God, and then instructs us to consider Him (Jesus) who endured such opposition from sinners, so that we will not grow weary and lose heart.

James R. Aist, Re-thinking Theology 10 Comments [6/15/2017 10:30:07 AM]
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Quote# 128158

[A bit late I know but in case you missed it in 2007]

27 May – Outpouring of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost
16 June – Three atom bombs in Washington DC
19 June – Earthquake on West Coast of USA (California)
21 June – Meteor hits U.S.A
23 June – Volcano erupts in California
25 June – Electro Magnetic Pulse in the USA
07 July – Israel bomb Palestine with a Nuclear bomb
07 July – New resurrected bodies of living and dead saints
17 July - Rapture of the bride of Jesus Christs
17 July - Start of the first 3 ½ years of the Great tribulation

Henri DeBeer, Rapture 2007 24 Comments [6/15/2017 10:28:31 AM]
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Submitted By: frogflayer

Quote# 128155

(Equates a young person realizing they are gay to wanting a horse):

Can you imagine that a person should STILL have to think like they did as a child, or even as a 12 year old?

Who does that?

I remember wanting to get an horse at the age of 12. My father asked me where would we keep the horse. I said, "In the garage".

I am so grateful that I still don't think like I did at 12 and neither should anyone who might have thought they were homosexuals.

Who even thinks the same way as you did when you were 17, 21, 25, etc...??

Yuck!! We were all way too green back then.


dlo_3us2001, Realabortiondebate 24 Comments [6/15/2017 3:53:19 AM]
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Quote# 128151

The idea that human evolution has stopped is nonsense. When survival isn't a factor, evolution is driven by reproduction rates. And since culture actually shapes the most important aspects of our environment, it is culture that drives evolution with different cultures driving human evolution in different directions. Modern liberal feminist culture causes people to evolve towards being evil morons. Monogamous cultures with enough scarcity of resources to make survival an issue tend to evolve towards intelligence and morality. I wrote in detail about these topics here:


The way to implement natural eugenics is through religion where the religious requirements select for positive evolution.

fschmidt, /r/NewMisanthropy 19 Comments [6/15/2017 12:44:54 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 128150

[Commenting on "How do Christians, Jews, Muslims, & Mormons worship a God that has committed the worst atrocities in history"]

Most people are scum. I love a god who wipes out scum.

(Gods perception of scum, is that a bit like Pol pot, Stalin, Hitler, Mao Tse Tung.)

No. Hitler perceived scum based on race. The rest, communists, perceived scum based on economic class. These are wrong. God perceived scum based on based on culture. This is right.

fschmidt, Reddit 21 Comments [6/15/2017 12:44:49 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep
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