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Quote# 128374

Sermon 4: Working Hard
By Rev. William H. Grimes
I have a short sermon on 2 Thessalonians 3:10 today. It reads "For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat." What does this mean? You MUST WORK! God condemeth the lazy!
The US government has rewarded laziness and called it welfare. Food stamps are of the devil! What's the largest purchase made with food stamps? SODA!!!!! SODA HAS ZERO NUTRITIONAL VALUE BUT THESE LAZY WELFARE QUEENS BUY SODA WITH FOOD STAMPS AND PAY FOR CIGARETTES AND LOTTERY TICKETS WITH CASH! WOE IS TO THE LAZY! Go to any gas station and you WILL see this abomination unto the Lord!
Medicaid, food stamps, Social Security, and all these other programs are for the sick and the elderly! They aren't for lazy able bodied and able minded people, including those with FAKE DISABILITIES SUCH AS AUTISM! GOD IS TELLING YOU TO WORK! GET YOUR LAZY AND NASTY REAR OFF THE SOFA, AND GO GET A JOB! HARD WORKING EVERYDAY AMERICANS AREN'T GONNA SUPPORT YOUR SODA AND JUNK FOOD ADDICTION! STOP BUYING STEAK WITH YOUR FOOD STAMPS AND BUY BEANS WITH YOUR HARD EARNED CASH! BREAK A SWEAT! WORK! STOP BEING A WELFARE QUEEN LIVING BETTER THAN THE LABORERS IN THIS COUNTRY! God's people said

William Grimes, New Testament Baptist Church 14 Comments [6/21/2017 10:51:03 AM]
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Adam Ford, Adam4d 18 Comments [6/21/2017 4:43:15 AM]
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Adam Ford, Adam4d 18 Comments [6/21/2017 4:41:56 AM]
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Submitted By: Daspletosaurus

Quote# 128347

WHAT HAPPENED TO GODLY MUSIC?


What is wrong with "Amazing Grace," I ask you?
Is there a problem with "How Great Thou Art?"

Are the words and melody of "How Firm a Foundation" no longer beautiful or true?

Must we set aside the great hymns of the faith and replace them with "Who put the bop in the Bible shee-bop shee-bop?" and "Ram-a-lam-a-ding-dong for Jesus."

Now that we have "Christian" rock , rap, regGAE, and jazz, can "Christian" Budweiser be far behind?

Must "What a Friend We Have in Jesus" be replaced with "The Dude upstairs is so cool, doo whoppa, doo whoppa doo?"

And now that we have "Christian" heavy metal, acid and (get this) Christian New Age, can "Christian" Marlboros wrapped in New Testament parchment be far behind?

And what of the people who write these new songs?

Once upon a time, hymns were written only by the greatest of composers and the most devout of Christians.

Compare that with Michael W. Smith, who, "at the same time he was penning gospel songs, he was also using marijuana, LSD and cocaine." (Wall Street Journal, 9/11/91, p.A-11)

"I'm a singer, not a preacher, I'm not looking to convert anybody" says Christian rock diva Amy Grant. (Los Angeles Times, 5/4/84, pg. 2-c) Grant goes on to demonstrate her spirituality by saying, "I'm not going to say too often that I like a cold beer while watching a football game. That might bother some of my fans." (Greensville News, 5/4/94)

One Christian rock star [Michael English] gets caught fornicating and he converts to singing secular songs, including one in which he ridicules Christians. Then he packs an auditorium in Dayton as he does his "comeback tour." Another Christian rock star [Sandi Patti] gets caught fornicating and all her albums are recalled by the publisher, only to have them re-released after her divorce and subsequent remarriage to the object of her three-year affair.

And of Amy Grant's lyrics, Billboard magazine and Face the Music both report that, "The only difference between Amy Grant's love songs and those of Olivia Newton-John is that often Grant's pronouns come with capital letters."

To which Amy has been quoted saying, "I want to be at the same level as Billy Joel, the Doobie brothers" (Time magazine, New Lyrics for the Devil's Music, 3/11/85, p. 60)

Well, glory to God in the highest.

And what of the presentation of this new "Christian" music.

Michael W. Smith was seen as a hot number by the Wall Street Journal when it learned his sexy, steamy, sensuous video was produced by the same company that produces the rocker formerly known as Prince. "I know if I am too blatant about my Christianity and talk about Jesus I won't succeed. But, hey, I'm not an evangelist. I'm a singer." (ibid)

On "Christian" metal group Bloodgood's video, one of the rockers enters with purple hair and sunglasses, carrying a giant Bible. Then he says "I'm not her to tell you about how Jesus loves you I'm here to talk about ME! ("Metal Mardi Gras")

And now we have "Christian" Rave and "Christian" Thrash music.

Amen, brother. Split somebody's head for Jesus.

You say, "Splitting heads for Jesus would never be included on a 'Christian' album, not even Thrash trash."

Wrong-o my naïve friend.

"Persecution" is a "Christian" thrash group: and the chorus of one of that group's songs repeats over and over: "Praise the Lord-Beat My Head In."

And try these for lyrics giving honor to God on recent "Christian" albums:

"Drown the devil in the urinal." Or better still: "I love my dog, and he loves me. He uses my leg when he has to pee." (New York Times, 7/26/96)
Was there such a problem with "What a Friend We Have In Jesus" or "Nothing But the Blood of Jesus" that we must replace them with a dog doing his duty on some dimwit's leg?
"But you have to go with that stuff to keep the kids," you say.

To keep them what exactly? To keep them laughing at you because they see through your compromise?

To keep them coming to church because they know they won't hear any more about Jesus and right living there than they will at the amusement park?

To keep them convinced that you have absolutely no clue?

The Bible in my hand says that real Christian music has three purposes.

Colossians 3:16 says: "Let the Word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord."
Clearly, then, Christian music is to teach Bible doctrine, to encourage godly behavior and to give testimony to the grace of God that resides in us by faith in Christ Jesus.
Why did "Moshing for the Master" replace "Wonderful Grace of Jesus?"

Was there something wrong with "The Haven of Rest" or "Trust and Obey?"

No doubt when all you have ever listened to is sex-driven junk, really spiritual music feels like a bucket of cold water to a copulating canine.

Meanwhile, "How sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me."

AMEN. . . AMEN. . . and AMEN!

Terence D. McLean, Dial-the-Truth Ministries 27 Comments [6/21/2017 4:38:57 AM]
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Submitted By: The Reptilian Jew

Quote# 128344

(FSTDT fanfiction!)

This is an answer for the Reptilian Jew and the FSTDT coven:

Pharaoh Bastethotep: “Okay, I’d like to commmission a voluptous torbie catgirl in pearly power armour, riding a kirin through an alien fungal jungle with a tricorder in her hand, from outa my Tulpa creating lamp, of an Illuminated Fiery brain.”

Vman: “Dafuq, did I just read yer right? That’s, Airily politically incorrect…Bastethotep… Better to Flee, before you’ll get picked up by the Thought-Police for that porny Entartete Kunst comment”

Pharaoh Bastethotep: “Damn it to Fiery Amenta! Okay, I’d like to commmission a transgender cat-girl-boy in black power armour, riding a drone through the policed urban jungle, with a rainbow flag in her-his, its, Fornicating hand, from outa my over-watched brain.”

Adey: “Sheesh! Drinking the bong Water is not a good idea. So quit doing it guys. Fight your addiction! As the great joker said, “I don’t do Drugs, I am Drugs.”

Anon-e-moose: “Don’t know about the others intake of addictive Foods on this here FSTDT coven forum. But I don’t do drugs, Adey; I’m going cyber druggie beyond my Earthy Persona.

Anon-e-moose: continues: “The 55 Gb installation file for “DOOM IV” is downloadable via the Bethesda/id Software site, no box required. Get with the times, ‘boys and girls;’ its yer reactive Reptilian-brain-stem, which is initiating these Elemental four F’s games.”

Faustus Crow, FAUSTUS CROW 26 Comments [6/21/2017 4:30:41 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 128340

[A post about Assigned Male, an admittedly awful comic about trans people. All emphasis from original.]

Episode 1 - Assigned Male / Stephie

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Okay, so, you're here reading this very post, so I can only assume you've heard about the internet monstrosity we refer to as "Assigned Male", a web comic about an 11 year old (the age will come up again later) Trans-Girl who was born a male named Stephie, presumably after the author that looks similar to Bridget from the movie Trolls. (photo below.)

Now, back to the issue at hand. Most of the "Assigned Male" comics have been about shaming the "cis" community. First of all, let's backtrack. The author portrays "cis" people as evil bigots in almost every issue of the series. FIRST OFF, "cis" shouldn't be a classification at all. Perhaps, better idea, "cis" should be swapped for another word; "sane", something Stephie clearly is not.

Now, I have placed an instance of "Assigned Male" below. Look familiar to you? It's literally propaganda. Propaganda is made with a few methods: one being demonizing your enemy. Now, find an Assigned Male comic with a "cis" character that isn't made to look like a bad person? Hard, isn't it?

Hitler's propaganda in WW2 featured Jewish people with abnormally long noses and curly hair. Why? To make the enemy look evil and that they shouldn't be trusted. That gained the trust of the German people, and thus, the Holocaust happened with people supporting it.

The shot below features a Grandpa saying that he wants his Grandson/Granddaughter to grow up and be strong like their father.
Uh...
Where exactly is the cissexist hate there, Stephie? A loving Grandfather wants his Grandchild to grow up and be big and strong. That can be carried out for either sex, so that basically just made Stephie look like a fucking retard. But wait, there's more!

This next instance of "Assigned Male" portrays a transgender eleven year old proclaiming that nobody asked him (fuck you, Stephie, I'm calling you by what you were assigned: a male) what he was. Now, first off, lemme allow you to digest the comic below. First off, Stephie, nobody is going to come up and FUCKING ASK YOU what you identify as. That isn't a normal thing to ask in a conversation. Speaking of abnormal things to say in a conversation; the dialogue in Assigned Male is ATROCIOUS, not only in quality but how it portrays pre-teens. Stephie, the author, is acting as if these pre-teens have had a full four years at both Harvard and MIT. NO FUCKING PRE-TEEN SPEAKS LIKE THIS.

Oh, did you think it was over there? Examine this next comic. Did you spot the error? I already have.
Stephie, I have a question:

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK ARE EXTERNAL GENITALIA?

No, seriously. Has our friend Stephie been working with fucking Mutants? Considering he looks like one, probably. Look, I don't mean to Labelle all Trans people here; but these comics are just making you look fucking stupid. Not intelligent.

Now, remember how I said I'd bring up the age again? Here it is: Stephie's characters are all pre-teens. Sure, cool, why is that important?

Bigger question is, why is Stephie in real life concerned with children's genitalia? Let that sink in. We aren't dealing with just some average trans fool, we're dealing with a fucking pedophile. Remember PepeGamerXL? One of those.

Another question, why exactly does Stephie treat Transgender-ism as if there were 7 separate sexes?
You know what else have seven separate sexes?

The Boov, from the children's movie "Home". To be exact, Male, Female, BoyGirl, GirlBoy, BoyBoy, BoyBoyGirl, and BoyBoyBoyBoy. That's bad enough, considering Stephie is treating the group he is promoting as if they were Aliens from a kids movie. Now, hold on a second, the more I think of it, Sophie even looks like a Boov.

Now, remember Fiona from Shrek? Well- actually, no, nevermind, I feel bad for comparing that disgusting freak of nature to Fiona. To be brutally honest, Stephie was probably Assigned Female and fabricated the story that she was born a Male to cover up the fact that she looks like a Shrek character.

Moral of the story: don't be a fucking faggot.
And don't be Sophie Labelle.

[Mission Complete!]
Respect +?

PANZER, Google+ 16 Comments [6/21/2017 4:29:05 AM]
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Submitted By: The Reptilian Jew

Quote# 128367

Normie coworker offers explanation as to why I'm not socially successful.

I've been the elephant in the room at my workplace for several months. Nobody talks to me, and I don't talk to them. I clock in, do my job, and clock out. I tried reaching out to a few of them socially at first, but even the men gave me Stacey glares (the "why the fuck are you even talking to me right now" look) whenever I would try to speak to them. They also organized get-togethers outside of work without telling me, so I could see the writing on the wall. I gave up on trying to make friends and started focusing solely on my job.

I'm sitting in the break room tonight, and Chad walks in. He starts talking to me out of boredom, and then he asks me if I'm going bowling with everyone this weekend. I tell him "no", and bluntly state that people here don't seem to like me that much. Chad feels pity, so he sits down across from me and says this:

"Piece of advice. You seem unapproachable. Nobody wants to talk to you because you seem a little unfriendly. Just saying. If you're more confident and you smile a bit more, I think people will start to warm up to you."

Re-read that sentence, and replace unapproachable and unfriendly with "ugly", and replace confident with "good-looking". Now we have a near-perfect translation of what the normie was actually trying to say. He obviously knows I'm excluded, but he hasn't clued into the actual reason why. It can't be my face putting people off, it's just my "unfriendliness". What a jackass.

Catjack, /r/incels 26 Comments [6/21/2017 4:22:17 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 128366

[On the WNBA partnering with Planned Parenthood]

why is it that "Planned Parenthood" that says it offers women a "choice" ....... only has ONE CHOICE to offer ....... murder ....... and the WNBA wants to destroy all their future players ..... evil truly is a self defeating and self destructive ideology ..........

Amos Moses, Christian News Network  19 Comments [6/21/2017 4:22:10 AM]
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Quote# 128365

(Because there are so many similarities between gay people and bank robbers....)

There are many former homosexuals, just like there are many former alcoholics, former drug addicts, former prostitutes, former adulterers, former bank robbers, former atheists, former thieves, etc...

People can and DO change. They renew their minds and stop caving into sin, anger, hatred, guilt, hostility, addictions, idolatry, adultery, sexual immorality, perversions, etc..

Those who say this can't happen, are easily deceived......just like Adam and Eve were.

A person with unbelief and doubts are easily deceived by Lucifer/Satan/Devil/Evil.

Sandy


dlo_3us2001, Realabortiondebate 9 Comments [6/21/2017 4:21:56 AM]
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Adam Ford, Adam4d 13 Comments [6/21/2017 4:21:41 AM]
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Adam Ford, Adam4d 12 Comments [6/21/2017 4:21:12 AM]
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Adam Ford, Adam4d 17 Comments [6/21/2017 4:20:24 AM]
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Submitted By: Daspletosaurus

Quote# 128358


(Lady Checkmate writes the following headline):
European court rules in favor of Russian gay radicals, allowing them to prey upon and groom innocent children

http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/european-court-angers-russia-gay-propaganda-ruling-n774521

Satan is after the children and reprobates are leading the charge. Stand against them Russia. Protect your children. Debased minds should not lead anyone.
(Bible quote removed)

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - Faith & Religion 3 Comments [6/21/2017 4:18:26 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 128355

If the drumbeat of verbal attacks, leaks and otherwise destructive assaults on President Donald J. Trump, his family, those around him and their supporters do not soon abate, expect right-wing militias and other reactive vigilantes to spring into action, resulting in a full-fledged civil war, with blood flowing in our neighborhoods and streets.

Larry Klayman, WND 18 Comments [6/21/2017 4:17:56 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 128354

Bloodshed is coming to America, and it won’t be a response to oppression but the result of aggression – against God and our constitutional form of government.

Jason & David Benham, WND 11 Comments [6/21/2017 4:17:41 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 128352

On her radio program yesterday, the American Family Association’s Sandy Rios praised the alt-right protesters who disrupted a New York production of “Julius Caesar” that portrays the title character, who is stabbed to death, as President Trump, saying that watching the play is no different than watching Christians be fed to the lions in ancient Rome.

“I have to say if I were there that night,” Rios said, “I might have gone up on the stage with [the protesters] … I couldn’t have sat through it. How can people do that?”

Rios railed against those who watch such portrayals of violence, fuming that “your quiet passivity is approval” and praising one of the protesters who told the crowd that they were Nazis and that “the blood of Steve Scalise is on your hands.”

“I don’t have a quarrel with that,” she said. “If you’re doing a production that shows the violent, brutal murder of your president and you sit and say, by your presence, that it’s okay and meanwhile you know that there are very real threats and people have just been shot and nearly killed, you have a responsibility.”

“I’ve got no problem with what they did,” Rios concluded. “I swear, we have to be honest with each other and we have to call this out. People are becoming violent, they are becoming the mobs of Rome. The mobs of Rome use to go into the stadium and watch people—especially Christians, but not just Christians—be brutally murdered by animals, stabbed, dismembered, drawn and quartered while they ate their snacks and cheered and yelled for more brutality. What is the difference? I ask you, what is the difference?”

Sandy Rios, Right Wing Watch 18 Comments [6/21/2017 4:17:22 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 128351

(Kallah): It was only a matter of time before people began to fight back. So very sad indeed.....

But there is certainly so much anger and resentment. As in the US people are going to be inclined to take matters in their own hands if they cannot trust their leaders.

(billiefan2000): I know and with many on both sides riled up a civil war in the UK is likely inevitable.

(Hidden): Peace is fast eluding this world. Why is the media so quick to label this as an "attack on muslims" but when it's the other way around, they're pretty much mum about it... sigh...

Kallah, billiefan2000 , Rapture Forums 3 Comments [6/21/2017 4:17:15 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 128350

We do indeed need & value your prayers. It's heartbreaking to watch the news here & see comments from members of the public who support Islam. No one with any other opinion ever gets interviewed. It feels very lonely at the moment to have biblical views on Islam- something that not even many Christians seem to have.

Those of us who encounter the unsaved on a daily basis & are blessed to be able to witness the Gospel are being criticised & ridiculed for Who our faith is in. Muslims are getting no end of support & if we dare to speak out against it we are in the wrong. The only people who are against Islam are (as I read in another thread) white supremasists who are sadly anti semetic too.

My country has gone mad - calling good evil & evil good, just as scripture says. I no longer feel anything good about this land & every day with every news story it is more & more dismaying. DH & I knew that here we would read sense. Praise God we have His Word to find the truth in.

so-blessed, Rapture Ready 4 Comments [6/21/2017 4:17:08 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 128349

LGBTQ = Let God Burn Them Quickly.

Wish I could take credit for it but my pastor came up with this funny little acronym :)

yabruf, Christian News Network  21 Comments [6/21/2017 4:16:54 AM]
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Quote# 128336

Depressed Teens: They Need More Than Happiness

By Eric Metaxas and Stan Guthrie, BreakPoint.org, June 14, 2017

The numbers are shocking. According to the journal Translational Psychiatry, more than 36 percent of teen girls in America are depressed or have had a recent “major depressive episode.” For boys, it’s a slightly less alarming–but only slightly less–13.6 percent.

It wasn’t always this bad. Writing at the National Review Online, Mona Charen reports that rates for depression and anxiety “were much lower during the Great Depression, World War II, and the turbulent 1970s than they are today.”

Mental-health issues are spreading like wildfire on college campuses, too. Ohio State, for example, reports a 43-percent jump in students seeking mental-health counseling in the last five years.

As Charen writes, “Something is robbing young people of happiness and well-being.”

Indeed–but what, exactly? Charen looks at several factors, eventually landing on changing family dynamics, such as divorce and single parenting. And this is right, as far as it goes. Not having a mom and dad at home can be very hard on young people. But it goes deeper. I think religious myopia has something to do with it, too.

Back in 2005, Christian Smith and Melinda Lundquist Denton described a corruption of the historic Christian faith growing among young people in America, including those in our churches, which they call Moralistic Therapeutic Deism. It is, they say, “centrally about feeling good, happy, secure, at peace. It is about attaining subjective well-being, being able to resolve problems, and getting along amicably with other people.”

But despite Moralistic Therapeutic Deism’s focus on feeling good, it’s clear that many young people don’t. The question is why?

Perhaps what they need is not more encouragement to be nice, but more opportunities to encounter Love Himeslf–who gives them not a list of do’s and don’t’s, but an invitation to a banquet. “Come to me,” Jesus says, “all of you who are weary and carry heavy burdens, and I will give you rest. (Matt 11:28).

Somewhere deep inside, unhappy young people know that they were meant for more, much more, than this world can possibly offer. As Augustine said, “Thou hast made us for thyself, O Lord, and our heart is restless until it finds its rest in thee.”

It’s not about mere happiness. As C.S. Lewis said, “I didn’t go to religion to make me happy. I always knew a bottle of Port would do that.” And yet Lewis claimed that there is something beyond mere happiness. He called it Joy, saying that the Lord uses it to draw us to Himself. “It would seem that Our Lord finds our desires not too strong,” Lewis wrote, “but too weak. We are half-hearted creatures, fooling about with drink and sex and ambition when infinite joy is offered us…. We are far too easily pleased.”

So how do we connect young people with Jesus? Well, we need to pursue and know Him with this same holy dissatisfaction ourselves. Do we? You cannot share what you don’t have.

Eric Metaxas and Stan Guthrie, Tumblr 5 Comments [6/21/2017 4:12:28 AM]
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Submitted By: Thanos6

Quote# 128335

I've seen dontcomplain1 and I want to kill myself

He told me he's an incel. I saw how he looks, and his picture was posted on here. He fucking looks like a male model. Oh my god I can't fucking breathe. THIS is an incel? Of course he said he went out ALONE...reminder A LONER to a fucking state park, and made a shit ton of friends in one day. Are you fucking kidding me? He got their numbers, and all that crap. Try that uglies. I'm a big car guy, and I went out alone to a fucking car meet, and made a total of ZERO FRIENDS in one day. Not one person exchanged numbers with me. Male or female. You want to know why? Because I am ugly. I am a subhuman. He looks better than me. He has better eye area, eye color, skin, hair, lips, cheekbones, jaw, chin. Pretty much everything. Fuck this fucking bullshit fucking life. Fuck this existence. I am fucking genetic garbage. It's so fucking over.

LOOKS MEAN EVERYTHING. I CAN'T FUCKING TAKE THIS. I CAN'T FUCKING BREATHE.

anincelforlifelol, /r/incels 9 Comments [6/21/2017 4:08:11 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 128331

I recommend doxxing [people who rat out drug dealers] and placing their information on the deep web.
You see, if they move away and escape any drug dealers looking for retaliation, they could still face punishment for their crimes against freedom from people on the deep web who are unrelated to the drug dealers. I mean to be honest, I support killing them.

If you want to give them some hilarious irony, then SWAT them. Call a bomb threat on their home, hopefully a SWAT cop with a lose finger will accidently shoot them in their homes. That would be the most hilariously ironic end for them.


[[What the fuck is wrong with you?!]]


I don't like it when people threaten industries that provide me with the services that I want...You're a fascist who thinks that people ought to be denied the right to trade goods and services voluntarily.

NAPnationalist, Deviantart forums 12 Comments [6/21/2017 4:03:33 AM]
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Submitted By: Lady Troodon

Quote# 128330

PETA, the HSUS, RSPCA and other anti-exotic-pet/meat/hunting/zoo organizations should rip a page from the book of Heaven's Gate and commit mass suicide.

Randomosaur, FSTDT 19 Comments [6/21/2017 4:00:58 AM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 128319

[Bob Blaylock opposes public accommodation non-discrimination laws.]

Bob Blaylock:
The First Amendment is the law, and as part of the Constitution, is the highest law in this nation. Those who abused the power of government to punish decent people for refusing to participate in openly immoral activities violated the law. Why is it that corrupt public servants get to violate the highest law with impunity, in order to impose unjust and blatantly unconstitutional laws under which to violate the rights of their rightful masters?

Croquet_Player:
Don't want to bake wedding cakes for some people? Fine! Don't sell wedding cakes in states that have anti-discrimination laws. No one's being forced to sell wedding cakes, or wedding flowers against their wishes. And nobody's First Amendment rights are being violated by non-discrimination laws. Don't like the laws? Take it up with the voters.

Bob Blaylock:
The First Amendment cannot be legitimately superseded by a mere vote. It can only be superseded by ratifying a new amendment to the Constitution that overturns it.

The First Amendment explicitly protects freedom of religion and expression (including nonexpression), and strongly implies freedoms of thought, conscience, and association.

Forcing a baker, or any other businessman, to give support to a sick, immoral homosexual mockery of a wedding, in violation of his own religious and moral values, as a condition of being allowed to make a living, blatantly violates the First Amendment.

Croquet_Player:
I seem to have missed the part of the Constitution where citizens are guaranteed the right to run a business any way they like, regardless of the laws regulating businesses.

Bob Blaylock:
And I seem to have missed the part where sick, immoral perverts have a right to impose their evil on sane, decent people.

In any event, it certainly strands to reason that engaging in commerce, in order to make an honest living, is a necessary part of life, and although not explicitly mentioned in the Constitution, at least falls among those rights implied in the Ninth Amendment, as an area in which government needs to have a strong case for a need to intervene before it can be allowed to do so.

There isn't really any similar case that can be made for any “right” on the part of immoral perverts to force their evil on sane, decent people, where the sane, decent people can't at least as equally claim a right not to have this filth forced on us against our wills.

Croquet_Player:
I understand that you feel some of your fellow Americans are "sick, immoral perverts", and you are entitled to that opinion. I feel the same way. I believe it is sick, immoral, and perverted, that in the United States, right now, some people can avoid prosecution by claiming "religious privilege" because they believe that modern medicine (or any medicine) is an affront to God, and they will simply "pray" over fatally ill people, instead of taking them to a doctor or calling 911, as a remedy, and if they die, it's simply "the will of God". And I'm working on laws to prevent this. Not because I think people can't believe what they like, but because when it comes to the point of a tumor the size of a grapefruit on a three year old's eye socket, I think it's better to remove the child from the parent's care, and remove the tumor and hopefully save the eye, or if that ship has sailed, remove the tumor so it doesn't spread and kill them in the next few years.

I don't understand where you are being force to "agree" with things you feel are wrong. No one is making you marry a gay person, or preside over a gay wedding. And you have every right to say what you like.

Do you "agree" with gay weddings? No, you clearly don't. Who is stopping you from holding that opinion? Or talking about it,as you are here? I really want to know. Because I will the first one on your side against anyone who says you can't hold that opinion, for religious reasons or otherwise. I'm an American, and you're my fellow American. (I think, I could be wrong, but whatever. I think everyone has a right to their religious opinions.)

Bob Blaylock:
Everyone needs to make a living. This means either running one's own business, or working for someone else who runs a business.

Nothing in the Constitution supports any power of government to compel anyone to waive any of his Constitutional rights as a condition of being allowed to engage in commerce.

Bob Blaylock, Christian News Network 3 Comments [6/21/2017 3:59:38 AM]
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seaearthponies You don't know what you are talking about. All mental illness comes from the devil.?

Nate Lindquist, youtube 7 Comments [6/21/2017 3:56:42 AM]
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