Quote# 128926

How many incel warriors do you need to field in battle to fight an army of 100,000 ferocious prime genetic apex CHADS?

How many incel warriors do you need to fight a pitched battle against Apex chads that look like the ones in the video posted by an incel Gilbon baggins in this thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Incels/comments/6lgjqk/chads_in_their_natural_habitat/

200,000? 300,000? 1000,000?

Inceldemographic, /r/incels 20 Comments [7/6/2017 6:48:25 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 128925

[From "Police aren't releasing a name... too bad Edmonton papers haven't heard of the internet yet"]

The Edmonton SUN reports "A young woman was killed and two men wounded in a hail of bullets Saturday. Police say the shooting was gang-related. The woman, whose identity police have not released, was Edmonton's third homicide victim in 24 hours in a bloody weekend on the city's streets."

The Edmonton Journal states "The female driver of the car, who was in her 20s, was killed. A male passenger in the front seat was grazed by a bullet while a second male passenger in the back seat was wounded in the throat and remains in critical but stable condition in hospital."

If only one could find out the identity of this young woman. Well, I can tell you right now that her name is Lily (or at least her alias is Lily) and that she's a member of a group (gang?) called "A.T.P." I can tell you this because there was a vigil held for her today in front of Casino Edmonton, and a sign for her was errected by her gangster friends, who know a little more than what police are telling. The ethnic makeup of the vigil was mostly asian. I tragically didn't have my camera with me, merely wanting to eat at the amazingly delicious Richard's Sub in Sherwood Park (I couldn't find it on Google Maps, but found 2 other locations in the Edmonton area, so I'll try to do some extra investigative reporting.

So back to this Lily business, I've done the obvious first state of searches: Google, MySpace, and Edmonton Online. Still on the to-do-list is YouTube and Edmonton Transit.

The success came from EO:
Lily Tran
March 19, 1983 - September 9, 2006



More on Lily:She has a modelling website with forum posts regarding her death.

"Where might we have seen you before?
You might have seen me on Tilashotspot.com. I'm also part of online communities called Myspace.com and EdmontonOnline.net"


Lily was also in UMM Magazine online.

Who is the gang link?
In the EO forum listed above, "jaggededge" states: "I heard it was her bf's Mercedes CLK and they were going after him instead but maybe it was a mistaken identity cuz from the news it looks like the car was completely tinted. Nice car though." [Those wacky 2 Fast 2 Furious asians.... -ed]

CLK is not initials of the boyfriend, it is the type of Mercedes, which the SUN describes as an $82,000 sticker price. Now we know one of the injured men is that man wanted for that home murder in Sherwood Park last year. The other is yet to be identified. One of these two men is/was Lily's boyfriend, and even the Edmonton Online forum doesn't say which. If Stephen Anthony Pillon is her boyfriend, she's involved with a murderer. If her boyfriend was the other guy, then the other guy is likely a gangster. No matter which, Lily Tran was clearly not an innocent angel. I won't be shedding a tear.

Feynman and Coulter's Love Child, The Third Edge of the Sword 10 Comments [7/6/2017 6:47:48 AM]
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Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 128924

Atheism is a misconstrue of reality at the most basic level and has given rise to such harmful ideologies such as Marxism and nihilism. Most tragic of all though is how deeply irrational atheism is, a form of irrationality that itself almost defies comprehension. The reality of God is manifest all around us, from the unimaginable vastness of our universe with it's hundreds of billions of galaxies to the complex micro-universe of individual cells to elaborate machinations in animal and plant physiology's and the diverse ecosystems the comprise.We can also add to this list the phenomena of human consciousness, moral truths, the existence of beauty, miraculous occurrences and fulfilled biblical prophecies.
To miss the divine import of any of these aspects of God's creation is to flout reason itself. Yet, this is precisely what atheist's do, and it points to the fact that other factors give rise to the denial of God.
Atheism is not the result of objective assessment of evidence, but of a stubborn disobedience; it does not arise from the careful application of reason but from wilful rebellion. Atheism is a suppression of truth by wickedness, the cognitive consequence of immorality.
In short, it is sin that is the mother of unbelief.

Your worst nightmare, Yahoo! Answers 15 Comments [7/6/2017 6:47:37 AM]
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Submitted By: zipperback

Quote# 128918


[Transcript]
I had to let my nanny go
because she was a lesbian. I
really wanted to be okay with
it but I just wasn't comfortable
having her around my kids.

Anonymous, Whisper 20 Comments [7/5/2017 10:12:43 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 128917


[Transcript]
(superimposed text on a picture of a wall. The graffiti on the wall says: "Don't grow up")
My children will grow up
knowing the TRUTH: The Earth
is FLAT.

Anonymous, Whisper 21 Comments [7/5/2017 10:12:33 PM]
Fundie Index: 11
Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 128913


[Transcript]
(superimposed text on a picture. The picture shows a person doing a handstand at the edge of a cliff.)
I have more faith the earth is
flat than I do in evolution.

#showmethecurve

Anonymous, Whisper 20 Comments [7/5/2017 10:11:23 PM]
Fundie Index: 8
Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 128911


[Transcript]
(superimposed text on a picture of a kitty)
I have believed my whole life
the earth is a ball spinning
around the sun, but the more i[sic]
see, read the Bible, and look
with my own eyes.[sic] The earth is
flat and God is coming soon.

Anonymous, Whisper 20 Comments [7/5/2017 10:11:02 PM]
Fundie Index: 8
Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 128909


[Transcript]
(superimposed text on a picture. The picture shows two shoes, touching on the soles)
Earth is Flat, the majority of
the population are gullible idiots

Anonymous, Whisper 14 Comments [7/5/2017 10:10:32 PM]
Fundie Index: 7
Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 128908

The creationist behind Kentucky’s failing “Ark Encounter’ theme park is at it again.

Ken Ham, the president and CEO of “Christian apologist ministry” Answers in Genesis, penned an op-ed that once again deflects the blame for the failure of his Noah’s Ark replica theme park. This time, Ham argued that the culprit is Williamstown which footed the $92 million bill for the park that now graces their city for not providing enough infrastructure to accommodate visitors to their new “attraction.”

“Williamstown, where the Ark is located, doesn’t have the tourist-related services that Dry Ridge [a neighboring tourist trap] has, so it needs more businesses like hotels and restaurants if it hopes to experience the growth that Dry Ridge is now enjoying,” Ham wrote.

There are a slew of problems with Ham’s reasoning. As Hemant Mehta at The Friendly Atheist points out, Williamstown has received no financial incentives to stoke growth in the area because Ham negotiated a “ridiculously low” 30-year property tax rate for the taxpayer-funded park. Ham is also garnishing his employees’ paychecks to help repay the loans taken out to complete the park.

According to a Patheos article published while the park was still under construction, employees are subject to a two percent “job assessment fee on gross wages.”

“In other words,” the article continued, “$2 out of every pre-tax $100 dollars you make will go directly to paying off the for-profit Noah’s Ark attraction.”

Additionally, Answers in Genesis and the Ark have yet to pay the town’s “safety fee” that contributes to a fund to upgrade emergency response equipment, a fund that “would help make it even more of a tourist destination.”

Williamstown has plenty of reasons to not want to spend more money on the for-profit Christian theme park, especially because the Ark won’t even hire members of the town’s community unless they ascribe to the same fundamentalist beliefs of Ham.

This isn’t the first time Ham has tried to pin the blame on his expensive and ambitious project away from himself. A few weeks ago, Ham complained to a local news outlet that atheists protesting the park were the reason it hadn’t lived up to his expectations.


Ken Ham, Alternet 29 Comments [7/5/2017 10:10:25 PM]
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Quote# 128907

THE HYPOCRITES
Victorius People STAY In The TRUE And HOLY DEVINE WORD OF GOD. They Also
DO What 2 TIMOTHY 2:15 SAYS To DO. So MANY TODAY Are In ALL KINDS Of BOOKS
That THEY CALL Bibles Which In FACT LEAVE OUT AND ADD TO. BUT The KING JAMES
BIBLE Does NOT LEAVE OUT Or ADD To GODS WORD. BUT The TRUTH Is, MOST LIKE
PLAYING THEIR GAMES TODAY. People Do NOT Want To OBEY GOD And What HIS WORD
SAYS For Us ALL TO DO. BUT Those Of Us That DO, WHO Have TRULY Been BORN
AGAIN AS JOHN 3:3 SAYS AND HAVE A TRUE, And PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH
JESUS CHRIST ROMANS 10:8-17 We Can SEE RIGHT Through The HYPOCRITES, And
There Sure Are So MANY TODAY. It's So SAD That So MANY Are IGNORANT OF GOD
And HIS WORD, BUT THEY ARE!!!!!!! ROMANS 10:2-3. JESUS CHRIST SAID WE
WOULD KNOW THEM BY THERE FRUITS MATTHEW 7:20-23. Which Is Talking About
Their LIVES, Their ACTIONS, Their WORKS, WHO THEY REALLY LIVE FOR,
And WHO THEY REALLY LOVE And SERVE JOHN 8:32. So MANY LOVE The WORLD And
The THINGS That Are In It. SHOULD WE? NO! 1 JOHN 2:15-20 PERIOD!!!!!!!
Should We DENY Ungodliness? YES! TITUS 2:10-15 BUT MOST DON'T!!!!!!!
To MANY Are HUNG UP On The GIFTS, INSTEAD Of Making JESUS FIRST And ABOVE
EVERYTHING And EVERYONE Else. If Only They Were HUNG UP ON THEE MOST
UNSPEAKABLE GIFT OF ALL, 2 CORINTHIANS 9:15 JESUS CHRIST, PRAISE GOD.
If ONLY People Were EXCITED About JESUS CHRIST As MUCH As They Are About The
Gifts. But They are NOT, So MANY PROVE That By Their ACTIONS And How they DO
In CHURCH. So MANY PLAY GAMES, FAKE, And LIE When It Comes To HEALING,
TONGUES, PROPHESY, PREACHING, And In MANY Other Areas As Well. Those That
Are TRULY In GODS WORD DAILY, That Have Been BORN AGAIN, That LOVE, LIVE
FOR, And SERVE GOD Through A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP IN JESUS CHRIST, KNOW
That I Speak The TRUTH. There Is To MANY HYPOCRITES In The CHURCH TODAY.
You May SHOUT, SCREAM, DANCE, DRESS NICE, PLAY MUSIC, WEAR YOUR GOLD
AND SILVER, SING, BE A PREACHER, TEACHER, MEMBER, BOARD MEMBER, WHAT
EVER, BUT I ASURE YOU GOD SEES ALL, HEARS ALL, AND KNOWS ALL!!!!!!!
What DID JESUS SAY About PRETENDERS, FAKERS, YOU KNOW HYPOCRITES? To MANY
Are MAKING Others, MORE TWO FOLD THE CHILD OF HELL THAN THEMSELVES. YES
IT'S TRUE, LISTEN TO WHAT JESUS SAID, READ IT, MATTHEW THE 23 CHAPTER.
AND You CANNOT TEACH Others The GIFTS OF GOD Like So MANY THINK And WANT
Others To BELIEVE That They Can. THEE GIFTS CAN ONLY COME FROM GOD WHO HE
HIMSELF GIVES TO THOSE HE WANTS TO HAVE, And They Are To Be Used WISELY
From Those Of Us Who Have Them And LINE OURSELVES UP WITH THE WORD OF GOD.
I TRUELY BELIEVE IN THE GIFTS, BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THERE IS SO MUCH PRETENSE,
HOGWASH IN WHAT MANY CALL THE CHURCH TODAY, SAD BUT TRUE! THERE IS SAVED
And LOST In The CHURCH, MATTHEW 13:30. JESUS WILL TELL THE REAPERS WHAT TO
DO, IT'S A DONE DEAL! READ IT. WAKE UP, BE REAL, BE TRUE BEFORE IT'S TO
LATE. HOW SERIOUS IS IT? JESUS SAID FEW WOULD FIND THE WAY, HE DOESN'T LIE
PERIOD!!!!!!! MATTHEW 7:14. WE CARE MORE ABOUT YOU THAN YOU KNOW.
HIGHWAY MINISTRIES PASTOR DENNIS R. WAYNICK MATTHEW 6:21. WHERE IS YOURS?
To MANY Have Turned GODS HOUSE Into A LIE, A JOKE, A CLUB, A SPORTS CENTER,
AN ENTERTAINMENT CENTER, A GYMNASIUM, A THEATER, A PLACE TO EAT AND DRINK,
WEAR THEIR HATS, THERE INAPPROPRIATE CLOTHING, USE THEIR PHONES, JUST WHAT
EVER FITS AND MAKES THEIR FLESHLY, LUSTFUL, HUNGRY DESIRES SATISFIED AND
COMPLETE FOR THEM, AND OTHERS WHO JOIN IN WITH THEM. THESE ARE PEOPLE
DOING EXACTLY WHAT GOD SAYS YOU CANNOT DO IN 1 CORINTHIANS 10:21. THEY
DRAW NEAR TO JESUS WITH THEIR MOUTH, THEY HONOR HIM WITH THERE LIPS, THEIR
HEART IS FAR FROM HIM, THEY WORSHIP JESUS IN VAIN, TEACHING FOR DOCTRINES
THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN. JESUS SAYS SO MATTHEW 15:7-9. JESUS ALSO
SAID, WHY CALL YE ME, LORD, LORD, AND DO NOT THE THINGS WHICH I SAY? READ IT
LUKE 6:46. YOU THAT DO THESE THINGS ARE A ABOMINATION TO GOD. PLEASE STOP!
THOSE THAT DON'T FEAR AND HAVE REVERENCE TO GOD ARE DOOMED FOR ETERNITY
IN THE LAKE OF FIRE AND BRIMSTONE WITH TORMENTS REVELATION 20:10-15!
1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-10. WHERE MOST ARE TODAY 2 TIMOTHY 3:1-7 AND
2 TIMOTHY 4:1-5 LOOK WITH A PURE HEART AND YOU WILL SEE I SPEAK THE TRUTH.?

(From a video where Barbara eden Harper's character is trapped outside her house while pantsless. Also, formatting not mine, but the original.)

Highway Ministries, Youtube 16 Comments [7/5/2017 10:09:49 PM]
Fundie Index: 4

Quote# 128906

Another reason I refuse to use Facebook.

The moderators are extremely biased. There was web page that blasphemed Jesus Christ that Facebook wouldn't take down. It was run by a homosexual. I used an alternate ID to make some offensive comments about homosexuals. That ID was suspended but nothing was done about the page that blasphemed Jesus.

KZ

kirkz2006@yahoo.com, Realabortiondebate 18 Comments [7/5/2017 10:09:44 PM]
Fundie Index: 8

Quote# 128905

Look at CNN STILL fucking appealing to moderate fascists - I mean GOP - while throwing actual leftist Chavez & Venezuela under the bus.

If you have a problem with socialism, communism, Chavez, Castro, Cuban revolution, don't waste my time. Just go educate yourself out there.

I'm not here to debate fascists nor argue w/ fascist enablers aka liberals. Don't yap at me about things you have never studied in depth.

(@freshxdesign: Chavez did use the same methods to discredit the media there.)

Do you know what the difference between a socialist like Chavez & fucking fascists & fascist wannabes like Trump, Erdogan, Putin??

Do you only see superficial things like liberals? Or do you know the underlying philosophical & political ideas of those different people?

Kiran Opal, Twitter 16 Comments [7/5/2017 9:50:34 PM]
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Quote# 128904



Hal Lindsey, Cracked 19 Comments [7/5/2017 9:49:55 PM]
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Submitted By: Daspletosaurus

Quote# 128903



Hal Lindsey, Cracked 9 Comments [7/5/2017 9:49:23 PM]
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Submitted By: Daspletosaurus

Quote# 128902



Dan Lacey, Cracked 23 Comments [7/5/2017 9:46:45 PM]
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Submitted By: Daspletosaurus

Quote# 128901



Dan Lacey, Cracked 9 Comments [7/5/2017 9:46:18 PM]
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Submitted By: Daspletosaurus

Quote# 128900



Dan Lietha, Cracked 16 Comments [7/5/2017 9:41:41 PM]
Fundie Index: 6
Submitted By: Daspletosaurus

Quote# 128899

[OP of "Thoughts on future breeding of humans"]

My thought is, while the approach by genocide is inherently the wrong choice, wide spread sterilization would work. Not only the public, but the whole population. My vision is everyone being sterilized and each genome is saved and used for in vitro fertilization. Letting people reproduce freely is the cause of our wide spread ignorance and the spread of genetic ailments.

eugenic7, Reddit - r/eugenics 6 Comments [7/5/2017 9:40:55 PM]
Fundie Index: 4
Submitted By: JeanP

Quote# 128898



Anonymous, Whisper 20 Comments [7/5/2017 9:40:24 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 128897



Anonymous, Whisper 19 Comments [7/5/2017 9:40:15 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 128896



Anonymous, Whisper 25 Comments [7/5/2017 9:40:03 PM]
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Submitted By: Demon Duck of Doom

Quote# 128893

Archangel Donald J. C. Trump - Slayer of the anti-christ's empire of neocon's, demoncrats, false flagism, state terrorism & foreign interventionism

Anonymous Coward, Godlike Productions 26 Comments [7/5/2017 2:03:27 PM]
Fundie Index: 7

Quote# 128891

The Real Reason the Flat Earth Truth Receives Vehement Hate

Without their spherical Earth indoctrination, their beloved theory of evolution is torn to shreds.

The powers that be hate the truth so much because the truth of course sets us all free from their control over our thoughts and beliefs.

One must wonder why the Flat Earth is so viciously attacked; possibly the most ridiculed truth there is.

Before throwing your regurgitated childish insults at me, please consider the following and tell me then how the Earth is a globe.

Polaris, the pole star, is the brightest star in the sky and always stays in the same spot. Upon google searching "Polaris star trails", it becomes clear that ALL OTHER STARS orbit around this northern pole star.

How is this possible if the Earth is hurdling through space at an inconceivably fast speed?

How is it possible that we observe the SAME STARS in the same constellations in our sky year after year after year?

Nearly every nation on Earth signed a treaty to make Antarctica off-limits to unwarranted research and expeditions. What exactly are they hiding? The fact that Anatarctica is the circular border of the Earth. Ever see The Truman Show? Yeah, this is the place where the employees of the show were so desperately trying to keep Truman away from. Sound familiar?

"Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor." Matthew 4:8

How could Satan show Jesus all of the kingdoms of the world on a globe?...

"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." Genesis 1:6

"Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?" Job 37:18

The dome above Earth is constructed of glass by God himself.

"Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens." Psalms 148:4

"And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God." Revelation 15:2

The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved." Psalms 93:1

The Earth does not move. It is completely stationary. The big lie is that the Sun is the center of our reality, when in fact it is the Earth that is the center of all that is.

Let the anti-Christian scoffing commence. :)

Anonymous Coward, Godlike Productions 25 Comments [7/5/2017 1:59:49 PM]
Fundie Index: 10

Quote# 128887

Bismillah ir-Rahmaan ir-Raheem, al-hamdulillahi Rabb il-’Alameen, wa salaatu wa salaamu ‘alaa Rasoolillah, wa ash-haadu an laa ilaaha ill Allah, wa ash-haadu anna Muhammadan ‘abduhu wa rasooluh,

Amma ba’d,

One of the most important aspects of furthering the jihad movement is identifying the ememies of the movement. Some enemies are somewhat veiled, but others are clear. There are also, some enemies within the veiled category that can be turned into clear enemies by demonstrating their association with the enemies which are clear.

DEFINITIONS

The Clear Enemy – A clear enemy is one whose statements and actions are positive propaganda in and of themselves with the general masses.

The Veiled Enemy – A veiled enemy is one whose statements and actions are not necessarily positive propaganda.

The Poorly Veiled Enemy – A poorly veiled enemy is one who is easily converted into a clear enemy, but which requires some explanation in order to turn this page.

EXAMPLES

There are many examples of each category, but some of them are important to identify and then to explore how to exploit. Even some of the clear enemies can be harmful to the movement if we do not deal with them correctly.

America, U.K., AMISOM, NATO, Canada, Russia, China, Israel, the Afghan Puppet Government, the Iraqi Puppet Government, the Yemeni Puppet Government, the Pakistani Puppet Government, India, and other European countries
Clear Enemies
The killing of civilians should be spread as much as is possible.
Anytime these groups are able to be tied to changing Islam it should be mentioned.
All forms of oppression by these groups should be mentioned.
The words “puppet,” “brutal,” “oppressive,” “kafir,” “corrupt,” “apostate,” “Western,” and “crusader,” should all be put in fron of the word “regime” when referring to these organizations.
Anytime these countries disagree or argue it should be spread.
Any failures that these countries have should also be spread.

Other Puppet Regimes
Clear Enemies (excluding Saudi Arabia which is a Poorly Veiled Enemy)
Any displays of kufr should be highlighted.
Attention should not just be payed to Saudi Arabia, but also to the areas that are more obvious.
Crackdowns on Islamist movements should be highlighted.
All forms of sin and oppression should be made clear and visible.
Whenever they kill civilians it should be published.
Community efforts of Islamist organizations in these areas should be published. It needs to be clear that supporting Islam brings about positive social change, and opposing it brings about oppression.
Torture and imprisonment of the mujahideen, scholars, and du’aat should be exposed.
Government scholars should be exposed and the scholars of haqq should be promoted.

Government Scholars
Clear Enemies
The “government scholars” being referred to here are the ones who are clearly just issuing fataawa on behalf of a government and it is not referring to every scholar who supports a government. These are not “Clear Enemies.”
Their fataawah should be exposed.
Their ties to the governments should be made highly visible.
Whenever they issue a fatwa supporting the forces of kufr against the Muslims, then it should be brought to light.
Issues of taking money for fataawa should be discussed.

Misguided Scholars
Veiled Enemies
First let me clarify that I am not saying they are our enemies, but that they do make efforts to hurt the jihad movement.
Their deviations should be pointed out when they are detrimental to jihad.
Their inconsistencies should also be brought to light.
We should not make takfir of them unless they do something which is clear kufr and the conditions for takfir are met.
If their opposition to the mujahideen is well known, then whenever they issue a fatwa in support of them it should be highlighted.
Any time counter terrorism officials mention them positively, then it should be mentioned.

Counter Terrorism Officials
Clear Enemies
Anytime they say anything against a group of mujahideen it should be mentioned.
Anytime they mention changing Islam it should be mentioned.
Anytime they mention promoting certain scholars it should be mentioned, unless that scholar is well known to be a scholar of the haqq. In this case they are either confused or they are trying to cause divisions, so it should be left alone.
Whoever they mention positively immediately loses credibility, and whoever they mention negatively gains credibility.
Usually these people are significantly behind on trends such as the NEFA Foundation if you have ever read their works. However, we can play off of their theories in order to increase the influence and capabilities of certain individuals and groups. Scholars and du’at who may have faded from the spotlight can be brought back into it by playing off of CT theories.

Moderate Islamic Organizations
Clear Enemies and Poorly Veiled Enemies
Depending on the organization it might be a clear enemy, such as an organization like Muslims for Secular Democracy, or it might be a poorly veiled enemy such as CAIR.
These organizations should be exposed as completely ignorant of Islamic rulings.
Their betrayal of Muslims with their fataawa and statements in support of kafir soldiers when they kill Muslims.
Their love of the kuffar and their hatred of the Muslims should be displayed.
If that is not apparent, then their hatred of the mujahideen should be highlighted.
When an organization is upon clear kufr, then it should be made apparent.
When an organization is run by fasiqeen, then it should also be brought to light.
Their ties to politicians who hate Islam and kill Muslims should be shown.
Their abandoning of the Sunnah should be mentioned.

Salafis Who Abandon Jihad
Veiled Enemies
There are two types of Salafis who abandon jihad. There are the Neo-Salafis such as Abu Khadija, and there are the American Salafis that are found predominantly in the Al-Maghrib Institute.
The Neo-Salafis should be ignored and go unmentioned, because refuting them is not as beneficial as simply ignoring them. They are increasingly viewed as a sect by the general Muslim population, and simply teaching a concept will reach far more people than a refutation of some misguided notion.
The American Salafis should be called out on their platforms.
When they condemn the mujahideen it should be exposed.
When they condemn the kuffar, then they should be called out on condemning the mujahideen, so that the Muslims do not get confused about their beliefs.
When they issue statements condemning jihad, then they should be challenged to produce proofs for abandoning jihad. They will not be able to do this, so it is a good point to make.
We should start calling them “American Salafis,” because their methodology seems to only exist in the United States and Canada.
We should avoid generalizing the entire Al-Maghrib organization or similar groups until all of their leaders have clarified their stances. For example, Muslim Matters can be generalized, because it is clear what its writers are upon. However, not all of Al-Maghrib’s instructors have made it clear what they are upon, and their is evidence from older lectures that maybe some of them are in disagreement, wa Allahu ‘alam.

Nationalist Fighters
Poorly Veiled Enemies
These groups are only able to be turned into clear enemies after they have abandoned jihad or they have attacked the true mujahideen.
If they attack the mujahideen, then they should be condemned loudly.
If they engage in “peace talks,” then they should be spoken against.
They should not be treated as enemies based only on suspicion, but when something clear comes up.
If one is suspicious about a group, because it seems to have nationalistic goals, then their successes should not be tied to them publicly.
Their victories over the kuffar should be mentioned, but one should avoid giving too much credit to these groups.
The mujahideen’s lack of need for these groups and superior capabilities should be emphasized wherever it exists (for example in Afghanistan).
It should be prominently displayed when their fighters leave for the true mujahideen.

“Rehabilitated” Mujahideen
Clear Enemies
It should be mentioned that intention is key when fighting jihad and that it is not surprising that some people fell off of the straight path.
Their gross shift should be mentioned and they should be discredited.
Discussion of folding under pressure of torture should occur.
Also, it should be mentioned how they have sold the akhira for this life.
Their ties to whatever government “rehabilitated” them should be brought to light and exposed.
Even though it burns our hearts to see these people, their words really do benefit the movement and only tie the kuffar and the munafiqeen to a war on Islam in which they seek to change this religion.

In sha’a Allah when I am done with these articles I will turn it into a book with edits and reorganization for the sake of Allah, bi’idhnillah.

Unknown author, Ummah 19 Comments [7/5/2017 12:45:24 PM]
Fundie Index: 7
Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 128886

The Islamic Verdict on Clapping

Our beloved Prophet Muhammad (saw) forbade us from imitating the kuffaar (disbelievers) in their worship, traditions, customs, rituals, ceremonies, events and practices. Muhammad (saw) said, 'whosoever imitates a people he is one of them' [Musnad al-Imaam Ahmad].

Today the reality of clapping hands has become a norm. We witness children applauding audiences at schools all the way to "bravoing" speeches conducted in temples and houses of parliament. However in the days of Jaahiliyyah (ignorant pre-Islamic times) clapping was regarded as a ritual action performed as a gesture to please the gods. This change from a religiously based act to a customary habit has not altered the general Islamic verdict on clapping it is forbidden to clap. Allah (swt) says:

"Their (Quraysh) prayer (Salaah) in the house (of Allaah - Kabah in Makkah) was nothing but whistling and clapping (of hands). (Its only answer can be), Taste the penalty because you disbelieved." [EMQ al-Anfaal, 8: 35]

Tafseer (Qur'aanic commentary and explanation) on this verse by as-Salaf us-Saalih (the pious predecessors); Abdullaah bin 'Abbaas, Abdullaah bin 'Umar, Atiyyah, Mujaahid, Ad-Dahhaak, Hassan and Qataadah (ra) all state that the word Tasdiyyah in the above verse means clapping the hands. A note worth mentioning here is that the Salaf us-Saalih are the best people to understand the Wahy (Divine Revelation Qur'aan and Sunnah) and they are our Islamic benchmark.

Clapping during parties is one of the actions of jaahiliyyah. The least that can be said about it is that it is makrooh (disliked), but the evidence suggests rather that it is haraam, because the Muslims are not allowed to resemble the kuffaar. Allah says describing the kuffaar of Makkah (

It has been authentically narrated that Hassaan bin Thaabit (ra) used his articulate poetic skills to dispraise the idolaters of Makkah by saying whenever you pray you clap and whistle.

Shaykh al-Islam said in al-Fataawa (11/569) I know that in the golden age, the first and best three centuries, in the Hijaaz, in Syria, in the Yemen, in Egypt, in the Maghreb, in Iraq, in khorasan, none of the religious and righteous people, the ascetics and those who worshipped Allaah much, would gather to listen to this whistling and clapping and drum-beating and so on. This was innovated after that at the end of the second century, and whenever the imaams saw it, they denounced it.

It is proven from the Sharee'ah that it is forbidden for Muslims to imitate the kuffaar in their Ibaadah (ritual acts) even if it is intended for a different purpose. Therefore the Muslims are not allowed to clap their hands even if it is for amusement purposes, encouragement or just playing a game. Sheikh ul-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah said whatever the mushriks (polytheists) do whether ritually or customarily it is forbidden to do that same action even if the Muslims do it for another reason (i.e. not for the same purpose). [Al-Iqtidaa volume 1, p196]

Ibn al-Qayyim al-Jawziyyah said clapping is haraam (forbidden) and munkar (evil); by practising it you come out of the Fitrah (natural disposition) and you imitate the kuffaar, all of which Allaah (swt) dispraises, and he quotes al-Anfaal, 8: 35 to prove his case. [Talbees ul-Iblees volume 1, p316]

Abu Umaamah al-Baheeli reported that the Messenger Muhammad (saw) said, 'The people of Loot (as) had ten characteristics; among those ten were clapping and whistling.' [Ibn Asaakir in his Taareekh volume 50, verse 321]. Imaam 'Ali, Qataadah and Hassan (ra) also testify to this.

This hukm (Islamic rule) on clapping applies to both men and women. However some people try to restrict the ruling of clapping as being forbidden for men only in Salaah. Based on an incident where the Sahaabah (ra) of the Prophet (saw) clapped during prayer to attract the attention of Abu Bakr (ra). After the Salaah Muhammad (saw) said, 'The saying Subhaan-Allaah is for men and clapping is for women' [Saheeh al-Bukhaari]. This view is incorrect because if one claims that clapping is not allowed only in Salaah then you need to bring further evidence to say that this only applies in Salaah and not in any other sphere of life; bearing in mind the generality of the evidences consulted above.

Amongst the 'Ulamaa (Islamic scholars of jurisprudence) there is dispute on what constitutes clapping for the women during Salaah, some say it is clapping the thighs with hands, or clapping the palm of one hand against the back of the other hand; the latter being the stronger opinion. However in any case there is evidence to substantiate that women clapped outside of Salaah and Muhammad (saw) criticised them.

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