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Quote# 138221


As a Public Servant you have to fight your scheduler in order to be a good parent because good parenting takes time; you are in a constant battle over your priorities. This means you must be especially knowledgeable and skilled at parenting, simply because you will most likely have less time to achieve this than will your next door neighbor. Accordingly, give special attention to this study and the principles expounded upon herein. The purposes of parenting are:

(Proverbs) 1:8 Hear, my son, your father’s instruction and do not forsake your mother’s teaching;

6:20 My son, observe the commandment of your father and do not forsake the teaching of your mother;

This first purpose is perhaps the most important. If you get this right and not so much the others to follow, you will probably still end up with good kids. Here’s the big principle that is so often forsaken in today’s American households: Your child needs to clearly observe the commandment(s) of his or her parents and not be allowed to forsake them.


Rather, obedience is to be demanded — with immediacy — always. The above passages imply that the parent’s child or children must learn to revere his authority. To allow your children to show disrespect for your authority is akin to teaching them to eventually not fear God; and a healthy fear of God is the basis for your child to one day bow the knee to the Lordship of Christ (hopefully at a young age) which is the ultimate objective and purpose for parenting. There is no need to submit to God later if there is no need to submit to parents now. Such reverence for authority is created in a child at an early age through good parenting.

Ralph Drollinger, Capitol Ministries 7 Comments [7/8/2018 7:59:20 AM]
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Quote# 138157

(The author repeatedly asserts that the evidence for Jesus is overwhelming and established. Gives no evidence throughout the entire article).

What is the historical evidence that Jesus Christ lived and died?

Today some claim that Jesus is just an idea, rather than a real historical figure, but there is a good deal of written evidence for his existence 2,000 years ago

The historical evidence for Jesus of Nazareth is both long-established and widespread. Within a few decades of his supposed lifetime, he is mentioned by Jewish and Roman historians, as well as by dozens of Christian writings. Compare that with, for example, King Arthur, who supposedly lived around AD500. The major historical source for events of that time does not even mention Arthur, and he is first referred to 300 or 400 years after he is supposed to have lived. The evidence for Jesus is not limited to later folklore, as are accounts of Arthur.

What do Christian writings tell us?

The value of this evidence is that it is both early and detailed. The first Christian writings to talk about Jesus are the epistles of St Paul, and scholars agree that the earliest of these letters were written within 25 years of Jesus’s death at the very latest, while the detailed biographical accounts of Jesus in the New Testament gospels date from around 40 years after he died. These all appeared within the lifetimes of numerous eyewitnesses, and provide descriptions that comport with the culture and geography of first-century Palestine. It is also difficult to imagine why Christian writers would invent such a thoroughly Jewish saviour figure in a time and place – under the aegis of the Roman empire – where there was strong suspicion of Judaism.

What did non-Christian authors say about Jesus?

As far as we know, the first author outside the church to mention Jesus is the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus, who wrote a history of Judaism around AD93. He has two references to Jesus. One of these is controversial because it is thought to be corrupted by Christian scribes (probably turning Josephus’s negative account into a more positive one), but the other is not suspicious – a reference to James, the brother of “Jesus, the so-called Christ”.

About 20 years after Josephus we have the Roman politicians Pliny and Tacitus, who held some of the highest offices of state at the beginning of the second century AD. From Tacitus we learn that Jesus was executed while Pontius Pilate was the Roman prefect in charge of Judaea (AD26-36) and Tiberius was emperor (AD14-37) – reports that fit with the timeframe of the gospels. Pliny contributes the information that, where he was governor in northern Turkey, Christians worshipped Christ as a god. Neither of them liked Christians – Pliny writes of their “pig-headed obstinacy” and Tacitus calls their religion a destructive superstition.

Did ancient writers discuss the existence of Jesus?

Strikingly, there was never any debate in the ancient world about whether Jesus of Nazareth was a historical figure. In the earliest literature of the Jewish Rabbis, Jesus was denounced as the illegitimate child of Mary and a sorcerer. Among pagans, the satirist Lucian and philosopher Celsus dismissed Jesus as a scoundrel, but we know of no one in the ancient world who
questioned whether Jesus lived.

How controversial is the existence of Jesus now?

In a recent book, the French philosopher Michel Onfray talks of Jesus as a mere hypothesis, his existence as an idea rather than as a historical figure. About 10 years ago, The Jesus Project was set up in the US; one of its main questions for discussion was that of whether or not Jesus existed. Some authors have even argued that Jesus of Nazareth was doubly non-existent, contending that both Jesus and Nazareth are Christian inventions. It is worth noting, though, that the two mainstream historians who have written most against these hypersceptical arguments are atheists: Maurice Casey (formerly of Nottingham University) and Bart Ehrman (University of North Carolina). They have issued stinging criticisms of the “Jesus-myth” approach, branding it pseudo-scholarship. Nevertheless, a recent survey discovered that 40% of adults in England did not believe that Jesus was a real historical figure.

Is there any archaeological evidence for Jesus?

Part of the popular confusion around the historicity of Jesus may be caused by peculiar archaeological arguments raised in relation to him. Recently there have been claims that Jesus was a great-grandson of Cleopatra, complete with ancient coins allegedly showing Jesus wearing his crown of thorns. In some circles, there is still interest in the Shroud of Turin, supposedly Jesus’s burial shroud. Pope Benedict XVI stated that it was something that “no human artistry was capable of producing” and an “icon of Holy Saturday”.

It is hard to find historians who regard this material as serious archaeological data, however. The documents produced by Christian, Jewish and Roman writers form the most significant evidence.

These abundant historical references leave us with little reasonable doubt that Jesus lived and died. The more interesting question – which goes beyond history and objective fact – is whether Jesus died and lived.

Simon Gathercole is Reader in New Testament Studies at the University of Cambridge.

Dr Simon Gathercole, The Guardian 5 Comments [7/8/2018 7:59:05 AM]
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Quote# 138109

(=Additional qoutes against Chuck McKnight and his support for Polygamy=)

Laura Lowder: This is where I want to take a DEEEEP breath and deliver a lecture on the Theology of the Body and the profound significance of monogamy --- heterosexual monogamy. But it would fall on deaf ears.
BUT there is no such thing as a "Faithful Christian" who practices polyamory. Theologically impossible

Mike Spencer: What a tragic and sickening betrayal of Christ. You are going to hell and taking others with you. Just buying millstones for your neck at the moment.

Matt Kellon Robinson: What a tragic and sickening betrayal of Christ. You are going to hell and taking others with you. Just buying millstones for your neck at the moment..

Richard Williams: It's time for the writer of this article to realize that their beliefs and the true Christian Church can not coexist as one because they are advocating for sin to be accepted.

Ray D: This is great satire. Oh, wait, it's not satire. Someone actually believes this load of B.S.

Laura Lowder, Patheos 0 Comments [7/8/2018 7:58:43 AM]
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Quote# 138050

Repentance is NOT turning away from sinful behavior, not reformation, not a desire to clean up one's life of sin, not forsaking the world, not turning over a new leaf, not a willingness to turn away from sin, not a change of heart toward sinful bad habits, not a change of life, et cetera. As we have already learned from examining the Greek word, metanoia, repentance is simply a change of mind. Acts 20:21, speaks of “repentance toward God.” Repentance is toward God by faith in the Gospel, evidenced by the hundreds of New Testament Scriptures that simply tell us to BELIEVE to be saved. For example: 1st Corinthians 1:21, “For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching TO SAVE THEM THAT BELIEVE.”

Also, please notice that the entire purpose for which the Epistle of 1st John was written, is so that “ye may know that ye have eternal life” (1st John 5:13). Yet, carefully notice that the apostle John doesn't mention the word “repent” even once in all of 1st John. THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES!!! If turning away from sinful behavior was required to be saved, then no doubt John would have made a big deal of it in his Epistle.

David J. Stewart, Soulwinning.info 4 Comments [7/8/2018 7:58:11 AM]
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Quote# 137930

Children of gods, children of ages. Let us ride the tiger once more, let us reach for the ocean of forgotten reality. I am the guardian of peace. Who but me knows the way in this plastic, hysterical inverted modern age. Progressivism has failed, has he not. We are the victims of inverse evilution, the victims of rage of the women and the weak. The whore rises her bloody hand against my sign, but I reach for the spell in the eye of the storm. Before us gods, we swim in sea of plastic and false promise, and the promise that was born after our time. Be free once more sons of Chronos, we are the water and we destroy the rock. Future calls do not let her down!

Gods Sky Divine Earth, CSTDT comments 3 Comments [7/8/2018 7:57:34 AM]
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Quote# 137792

There are unsaved people who live above reproach, thinking they are pretty decent people. Such self-righteous persons look down upon and condemn born-again believers who have openly sinned. However, in eternity when God judges everyone, the seemingly good unsaved person will burn in Hell forever, while the openly sinful Christian will enjoy the blessings and splendor of Heaven for all eternity. Matthew 21:31b-32, “Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you. For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.” Please notice “WHY” the publicans (tax cheats) and harlots went into the Kingdom of God, but not the religious scribes and Pharisees, because they, “BELIEVED HIM”! They simply believed on the dear Savior, the Son of God, taking Him at His Word!

The only way to Heaven is through faith in the Good News (Gospel) of Christ crucified, buried and risen. Only by faith in what Christ has done to pay for our sins on the cross, can anyone be spared God's wrath to come (Romans 5:9). You had better get saved, and get your sins under the blood, or else you'll spend eternity paying for your own sins in the fires and torments of Hell with Margaret Sanger, Madalyn Murray O'Hair, Steve Jobs, Freddie Mercury, George Harrison, Gene Wilder, Stephen Hawking, Gene Roddenberry, Rod Serling and George Carlin! (All of those poor souls openly rejected the Son of God!) Your time is running out!

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 3 Comments [7/8/2018 7:57:16 AM]
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Quote# 137728

The Bible calls the sin of homosexuality “sodomy,” associating this awful sin with the wicked city of Sodom. God utterly destroyed Sodom because of their wickedness. Even today, 4,000 years later, the remains of Sodom can be clearly seen by the Dead Sea in Israel. City Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Found Located Beneath Sea of Pure Sulfur. Yet, as wicked as Sodom was it cannot compare to SIN CITY Las Vegas in Nevada.

Any honest person would have to admit that homosexuality has become mainstream along with every other sexual sin in American society. This phenomena by itself exposes the destructive nature of homosexuality, since it is always associated with the total breakdown of society.

It was reported in USA TODAY that teens and cellphone nudity has become an epidemic problem nationwide. One girl commit suicide after nude photos of herself (meant only for her boyfriend) ended up on the internet and circulated around the school. Bullies were harassing her and she commit suicide. No teenager should have a cellphone...

"If I were to go through the cell phones in this building right now of 1,500 students, I would venture to say that half to two-thirds have indecent photos, either of themselves or somebody else in school," said Jim Brown, school resource officer at Glen Este High School. Turpin High School Principal Peggy Johnson thinks that the results would be similar - about 50-50 - in her building.

Our nation is going to Hell. Contrary to the agendacized propaganda that Christians are causing gays to commit suicide, it's the wickedness of American culture overall that is bringing our nation to ruin.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 5 Comments [7/8/2018 7:57:05 AM]
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Quote# 137613

The REAL Star Wars
It is far more astounding than any science-fiction fantasy—and it is absolute reality!

By Gerald Flurry
From the July 2015 Trumpet Print Edition

Most of you have heard about the science-fiction fantasy Star Wars movie series. But did you know that the Bible talks about a real star wars that is more astounding than any fiction? The real star wars have been going on for thousands of years, and whether you realize it or not, they are affecting your life.

The very last of these star wars is building now on Earth, and it will be a thousand times deadlier than any other. Yet it’s going to be the last one, forever.

This is not fantasy. This is reality. It is happening behind the scenes—but it is clearly depicted in your Bible if we do a little digging to see—and its end is imminent.
Stars in the Bible

The Bible uses stars as symbols for angels. Notice, for example, Revelation 1:20: “The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches ….” These seven stars represent seven righteous angels.

There are also fallen stars. “And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth …” (Revelation 12:3-4).

The Bible shows who this great red dragon is. God created him as an archangel and named him Lucifer (“light-bringer”). But he rebelled against his Creator and led a large faction of angels to actually war against God and literally attempt to overthrow Him (Isaiah 14; Ezekiel 28).

What was the result? Long after this war, God sent His Son to Earth, and Christ Himself actually tells us about the decisive moment: “I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven” (Luke 10:18). Lucifer became Satan, and his angels became demons.

Notice the rest of Revelation 12:4: “[A]nd the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.” Almost immediately after Christ was born, Satan inspired King Herod to kill all children 2 years old and younger in Bethlehem (Matthew 2:13-18).

This is important to understand: These star wars among spirit beings affect physical human beings on Earth! If we misunderstand or disbelieve that fact, we will be deceived, and will end up being victims.

Let’s go back in history to the beginning—the most destructive war among the stars ever, the war that started all of these wars.
The First Star Wars

God originally appointed Lucifer and one third of the angels to rule over Earth. It was God’s testing ground to prepare them to rule the universe. When Lucifer ruled Earth with God’s government, those angels under him were full of joy. It was a wonderful and happy place.

But then he and his angels rebelled. He became God’s bitter adversary. Satan and the demons failed dreadfully and disastrously. They disqualified themselves from ruling over the Earth and the universe.

That great star war between the fallen angels and the righteous angels of God devastated not only the face of the Earth but the planets, the galaxies, the entire universe!
After Satan led one third of the angels to rebel, what did they do to the Earth? “And the earth was [became] without form, and void ….” The Hebrew for “without form and void,” tohu and bohu, conveys chaos, confusion, waste and emptiness. “[A]nd darkness was upon the face of the deep [the destroyed surface of the Earth]. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters” (Genesis 1:2).

Lucifer became bitter, and he filled the Earth with violence! That is what he’s all about: violence and bitterness. God changed Lucifer’s name from “light-bringer” to “the adversary,” or enemy of God—and that’s what he is to this day!

God created the universe. It was structured and beautiful. But what do you see today if you look out at the universe? Destruction, decay and bondage. Why? What happened between the time God created it, perfect, and now? It was destroyed in that same war!

That great star war between the fallen angels and the righteous angels of God devastated not only the face of the Earth but the planets, the galaxies, the entire universe! That is the destructive power of Satan. There was a great war out there, and even though the beings fighting in that war are invisible, you can see how destructive they were to physical things! They can destroy physical things, including physical human beings. They have great power, and the only way to combat that power and overcome it is to have God’s power.

The state of the universe shows you how real and how destructive the true star wars are. We are talking about the real war happening between the stars: the righteous stars and the fallen stars. This is the real star wars!

God recorded this war in many scriptures in your Bible, yet we hear very little about it. People don’t understand and don’t believe in these wars—and their effect on what is happening on Earth right now.
Sons of God Will Rule the Universe

“Because the [creation] itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now” (Romans 8:21-22). The whole universe is in “the bondage of corruption.” How did that happen? Why is the universe pictured here as groaning in travail and pain? Because of the decay and great devastation in the universe! All those desolate planets have been greatly damaged. God never creates anything unless it is very good (e.g. Genesis 1:4, 10, 12, 18, etc.). That means something went terribly wrong with all these planets; we can see how much damage has been done to them. That is the result of Lucifer and the angels’ rebellion. They have awesome destructive power! Yet few people understand it.

At one time, Lucifer was a covering cherub for God. This powerful being was trained at the headquarters of the universe. But his rebellion led God to eliminate the potential that angels would rule the universe.

When God saw the destruction of the universe, He realized that He could not trust the angels to rule over it. The only one who can rule the universe is God. Only a God being could be trusted with such power. So He set in motion a plan even greater than the angelic plan. He decided to re-create Himself. He renewed the face of the Earth, and then created a new type of being: mankind.

Believe it or not, the truth of your Bible is that God’s magnificent purpose for human beings on Earth is to be fashioned after His image and likeness (Genesis 1:26)—and to actually enter His Family as God beings! That is what God is doing with mankind! That is His magnificent plan! I urge you to request from us a free copy of Herbert W. Armstrong’s book The Incredible Human Potential, which explains this wonderful truth in detail straight from your Bible.

Romans 8 says “children of God” will be the ones to bring liberty and freedom—not just to their personal lives or their families, but to the Earth and the rest of the universe!

Romans 8 plainly tells us that God is preparing human beings to rule over the Earth and the universe. The children of God are going to bring liberty to the entire universe. Why don’t people talk about this more?

Now, if you look at human beings, it is obvious that we are not ready to rule the universe. We have become rebellious, sinful and destructive just like Satan. In fact, Satan and the demons still rule the Earth (2 Corinthians 4:4) and have massive influence over human beings (Ephesians 2:2).
Satan’s Power

If you want to really understand Satan’s power, look at Isaiah 14. “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God …” (Isaiah 14:12-13). “Above the stars” means above all the angels—but he has even greater ambition than that.

Notice: “I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High” (verses 13-14). Here God records Lucifer’s thoughts as he prepared an attempt to depose God and steal His throne! That was Lucifer’s ambition! It was an insane attempt against the all-powerful Creator, but Satan was so full of self-will, vanity and bitterness, he actually tried it.

“Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell [the grave], to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the [one] that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms” (verses 15-16). This power actually shakes kingdoms and makes the Earth tremble! A lot of people on Earth tremble today because of this evil being and his fallen angels. These “stars” exert tremendous influence over men, because men absorb that same rebellious spirit.

The Emphasized Bible refers to Satan in verse 12 as “O, crusher of nations.” The American Standard Version says: “He didst laylow the nations!” The Jerusalem Bible uses the phrase “enslaved the nations.”

Your Bible says Satan and his demonic fallen stars have power over nations and human beings! That is why they cause so many problems and get involved in such wars. They have nothing but bitterness and wrath in their minds because of their rebellion against God. That’s the way it is when angels or humans rebel against God. We enter into a bitterness that’s almost like being addicted to heroin. You just can’t shake it, if you’re not very careful. It is extremely dangerous.

Daniel recorded how Satan even fought to prevent his prophetic book from being recorded in the first place. God had given the prophecy to Gabriel to deliver to Daniel. Gabriel is one of the three archangels mentioned in the Bible. The only others of this highest angelic rank are Michael—and, formerly, Lucifer. As Gabriel was delivering the book to Daniel, Satan the devil attacked.

In Daniel’s prophecy Gabriel is recorded as saying, “But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days” (Daniel 10:13). That is Satan the devil; he is mentioned this way because he actually ruled over the world-girdling empire of Persia. Satan is the one that ruled it! Can you believe that? This is what happens in these great world-ruling empires; that’s why they are so evil and why they do such deadly, evil things.

Continuing in verse 13: “[A]nd behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left alone there with the kings of Persia” (New King James Version). This prince of Persia was fighting against Gabriel, God’s archangel, so it is obviously referring to Satan the devil and his fallen angels. This was a great battle in the star wars of the Bible.

Satan is called the prince of the kingdom of Persia because he gets control of these great world-ruling empires. 2 Corinthians 4:4 calls him “the god of this world.” People worship him and they don’t worship God. Revelation 12:9 says Satan has deceived the whole world!

This is the real star wars! Satan has forceful rule and power over the rulers of the world. He empowers them to cause destruction. And very soon, according to the prophecies of the Bible, he is going to cause the greatest crisis ever on Earth. He is fighting against God. He knows that his time is short! (Revelation 12:12). Why is it short? Because Christ is about to return and kick him off his throne forever, and bring this world peace, joy and happiness that it should have had from the very beginning.
Spiritual Terrorism

Ezekiel 28 also talks about these star wars. “Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord God; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty” (verse 12). Here, God talks about the king of Tyrus and Satan the devil almost as one and the same, because Satan rules over kings!

He was “the anointed cherub” (verse 14) who helped God in His Work. But then he started a war! “[T]hou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more” (verse 19). God will put a stop to it, but Satan is a terror to this world! He is a terrorist—the supreme terrorist on Earth—and he rules over all terrorists! How many people understand that? Do you know why our nations can never win the war against terror? Because Satan empowers it. The only way we can overcome or conquer them is to have God’s power, which is far greater than any power Satan has. But we turn away from God today, so we have no spiritual power.

Daniel 8:10-12 talk about these stars: “some of the host and of the stars” were cast to the ground. That is, the very work of the angels of God was cast to the ground because 95 percent of God’s own people rebelled, and they transgressed. They left themselves without God’s power, and Satan just took over God’s Church. He not only takes over nations, he takes over God’s own Church if the people don’t obey Him. That is the kind of power Satan has. Yes, these star wars go on even inside God’s Church! These invisible beings—evil beings and God’s angels—are battling against or with God’s people. How effective those righteous angels are depends on how obedient the people are.
Join the Fight!

Though so few people believe it, this world needs this message. They need the message of God to understand why they are here, what is happening on Earth, and what it all means! People are in confusion and into all kinds of destructive things. But there is a great future ahead of us. We need to understand the real star wars—and what God and those righteous stars are fighting for! It’s about nothing less than our purpose for existing!

Romans 8 says God is preparing “children of God”—human beings—to rule the Earth and the universe. But to reach that stage in His master plan, God is taking several successive steps. Right now, God is not yet trying to make all human beings—or even all who consider themselves Christians—into “children of God”! He has actually chosen only a little flock today to come out of this world.

Are all the problems and disasters you see in our world what God wanted for mankind? No, but we have it because people rebel against God.
That tiny Church that Jesus Christ founded is preparing to marry Him and help Him bring liberty and freedom, joy and happiness to the Earth, and then to the universe.

Those who respond to this calling now, before Christ returns, are merely the firstfruits. God is going to use them as His Bride to rule with Him in the World Tomorrow from His headquarters—and open up salvation to all of mankind. They will have a remarkable, amazing reward for what they do today to get this message out to the world. They will help Christ lead His entire Family to rule over the Earth and then all the universe!

We get to bring liberty, real freedom, to the entire universe! No more suffering! No more star wars! No more pain! What could be more wonderful and exciting than that? The real star wars God has revealed are a campaign to eliminate all wars, all unhappiness, all pain, all suffering, all misery on Earth.

Look around! Are all the problems and disasters you see in our world what God wanted for mankind? No, but we have it because people rebel against God. People need to be taught to obey God and have all of the wonderful blessings He has for all of us!

Now, if you respond today, you get directly involved in those star wars, and you have God and His righteous angels helping you fight the destructive power of Satan and the fallen angels. That is how we prepare to rule with God.

I hope this real star wars becomes vivid in your mind so you can see what it is all about and see God’s master plan. The people of God are fighting in this evil world today, fighting ferociously, to win this battle for God. And we absolutely will win! We cannot lose if we are loyal to God!

Gerald Flurry, The Trumpet 4 Comments [7/8/2018 7:56:55 AM]
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Quote# 137512

Satan Loves Teenagers

"The strongest appeal you can make is emotionally. If you can get their emotions going, make them forget their logic, you've got them. AT MTV, WE DON'T SHOOT FOR THE 14-YEAR OLDS, WE OWN THEM." (MTV is Rock Around the Clock, Philadelphia Inquirer, Nov. 3, 1982)

According to the book, Satanism in America, which is endorsed by the National Criminal Justice Task Force on Occult Related Ritualistic Crimes, hard-core Satanism is "the fastest-growing subculture among America's TEENS." Satan loves teenagers because they are so impressionable. With few exceptions, one's entire life is determined by their attitude as a teenager. Ninety percent of a child character is developed by the age of 6-years-old. This is why Satan wants mothers in the workplace instead of being a loving mother at home as God intended (1st Timothy 5:14-15).

Studies taken by the Georgia Police Academy revealed that 90% of those involved in Satanism are TEENAGERS!

Television personality, Geraldo Rivera, who explored the terrifying rise of Satanism said, "It exists AND IT'S FLOURISHING. IT IS TEENAGERS who are most likely to fall under the spell of Satanism."

How serious are they?

At the 1992 MTV Awards, the group Red Hot Chili Peppers, upon receiving their award and giving thanks, said:

"FIRST OF ALL we want to thank Satan . . ."

"Oh! I wish I could tell all men and women and all boys and girls everywhere to believe the truth that Satan always pays in counterfeit money, that all his pearls are paste pearls, that the nectar he offers is poisoned through and through."

SOURCE: Dr. R.G. Lee, from the powerful sermon, PAYDAY SOMEDAY!

The Evil Public School System

The great evangelist Billy Sunday said, "If you want to rid this nation of the Devil, then you've got to hit him with the cradle and not the casket." In other words, we've got to reach the young people for Christ. This is why Karl Marx's 10th plank of the Communist Manifesto called for a public school system? The entire public school system in America was set up to destroy the morals and Christian faith of young people, to allow the government to INDOCTRINATE children instead of truly educating them. The lies of Evolution are nothing less than indoctrination.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 5 Comments [7/8/2018 7:56:24 AM]
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Quote# 137509

Rarely in my lifetime have I seen such a rancid diaper-load of rhetorical diarrhea as Justice Stevens presents in The New York Times. He piles falsehood upon falsehood, lie upon lie, in a futile attempt to build public support for a direct assault on the 2nd Amendment and the unalienable American rights it was written to protect.

And since he observably has no respect for those rights, the God-Emperor would do very well to order the old man locked up for high crimes and treason on the evidence of his career on the court.

Vox Day, Vox Popoli 3 Comments [7/8/2018 7:56:13 AM]
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Quote# 137508

No Better Time by Wasabi.

"Behold, I am coming soon," Christ's words printed in red;

I felt my back go rigid as I sat atop my bed.

Then gazed up at the ceiling in a manner clearly pensive,

And wondered why that verse had made me feel so apprehensive.

I shook the notion from my head and went to grab a Coke,

And from the living room, I heard Reporters as they spoke

Of death and hate and war and rape (or violence as a whole,)

The Reporter's words and the Bible verse ran in tandem through my soul.

For both were very similar, both spoke of times like these,

Both spoke in tones attempting to set my mind at ease.

But CNN's assurance is purveyed to me in vain,

They try to tell me mankind will conquer once again.

But society is crumbling, as it has since time began,

It has decayed beyond all reason, and now it seems the end of man

Is just as real as prophesised somewhere within Isaiah;

Yes, every day the sin of man is fuelling a great fire.


Prophecy fulfilled, I see, abounds on News Tonight,

Quite frankly such a notion has a tendency to excite.

The One-World Currency reels its head; and now Israel's a nation,

And how can I watch Scrubs when there's war on every station?

The people on the Internet all say that God's to blame,

(It's interesting to read that these people are the same

ones that turned their backs on Him.) Yes, to that I say, "Oh, well,

I guess you've learnt a Godless world is what's often known as hell."

I close the Window teeming with angry atheist discussion,

and sigh as they push toward a nasty repercussion.

All I can do until the time my Lord will re-appear,

is grit my teeth, obey His word, and calmly persevere.

I down my Coke, I disconnect, I turn off the TV;

Then smile down at the verse once more………they're soothing words to me.

Revelation 22: 20 – "Yes, I am coming soon!"

A/N: Hi, there. I hope that wasn't too hard to follow. And yes, I do expect a lot of annoyance, and I genuinely apologise for any mental anguish you may have suffered because of these writings, which, by the way, are not a direct and aggressive attack on the beliefs of others.

Heh, also, I'm Australian, so I pronounce 'Isaiah' as 'I-zy-ya' and not 'I-zay-ya.' Just so you know how I rhymed it with 'fire!'

I just find it perplexing how so many can't see the ties between scripture and the evening news nowadays. The world cannot support itself on its own sin-infested strength, and He's coming back before all is lost to prove it. I can't wait!

Yours in Christ!


Wasabi, Fanfiction.net 9 Comments [7/8/2018 7:55:59 AM]
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Quote# 137454

The Bible foretold that Russia would align herself with five nations (Germany, Libya, Iran, Turkey and Ethiopia). We are witnessing Bible prophecy before our very eyes. Prophecy is history written in advance.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 0 Comments [7/8/2018 7:55:28 AM]
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Quote# 137453

Christians who believe in the Bible will never embrace SSM because same-gender sex is an abomination to God and those who practice it deserve death. (Romans 1)

disqus_Equ8Ljg8OS, Politico 4 Comments [7/8/2018 7:54:55 AM]
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Submitted By: Christopher

Quote# 137273

It is horrifying what has happened to America. Illegal immigrants have intentionally been brought into the country, allowed to stay, and have had millions of anchor babies (children of illegals born in the U.S., which gives them all the rights of Americans). Illegal aliens (and that is what they are) get free (or dirt cheap) food, medical, insurance, school, college, cars, et cetera. U.S. citizens DON'T qualify for any freebies!!! I love all people and the issue is not about race. IF YOU ARE AN ILLEGAL ALIEN, I LOVE YOU IN THE LORD, IT'S NOTHING PERSONAL. I'd want to get out of Mexico too if I were you, to come to America! I thought the U.S murder rate was high in 2012, at 14,827 victims; but then I read about Mexico, where 26,037 people were murdered for the year 2012!!! That's almost TWICE as bad as the U.S.! As a natural-born American citizen, I cannot wait until God punishes the criminals behind the treason and deliberate overthrow of America's sovereignty. Without borders there is no country, and that's the whole idea. The Illuminati have been planning this for a long time.

'The issue is that I am an American, and this used to be my country, and I don't want strangers illegally sneaking into my country; and then my corrupt government forces me to pay their bills in the form of over-taxation and reckless debt-spending. If I had my way, they'd all be kicked out!!! Only immigrants who came here LEGALLY would be allowed to remain. No one ought to be allowed to immigrate to the United States who cannot speak acceptable English, and have a skill to offer. That is how it was in the early 20th century, when many Irish, Italian and European immigrants came to America. They were skilled workers and brought many good things to our culture; such as, bakers, cooks, sausage makers, craftsmen, tailors and cheese makers. America has lost her backbone. Brother Lester Roloff is right... America was great when she was good, and she was good when she had great churches!!!

Our treasonous leaders have sold us out, allowing U.S. corporations to fire Americans, and move tens-of-millions of high-paying manufacturing careers overseas to foreign soil. I heard Peter Schiff (bragging that he is in the 1% wealthiest group of CEO's) blaming the government, but not Wall Street. What a deceiver! Wall Street is Washington!!! Please read, “Why The Heresy Of Zionism Is So Dangerous To Christians!” The government is definitely to blame, but the corporations practically ARE the government today. Nations don't rule the world, corporations do! The leaders of the largest U.S. corporations are nearly all members of Luciferian secret societies, Council On Foreign Relations, Bohemian Grove, Bilderberg, et cetera. America's biggest companies own more capital than most of the world's countries!!! U.S. corporations couldn't operate on foreign soil without complicity from the U.S. government. As the holy Bible teaches, the love of money is the root of all evil (1st Timothy 6:10).

Please read this socking article titled, Taylor Swift And Satanism. I couldn't believe this video snapshot when I saw it. Taylor Swift has been portrayed by the ungodly media as a good girl, innocent, sweet and the kind of girl every parent wants their daughter to become. But take a look at the sensual, disgusting, filthy, lewd sex act, that Taylor is doing in the video. THIS IS THE UGLY TRUTH!!! This is what they want your girls doing. Luciferians are at the top of the satanic pyramid I mentioned earlier, and they own and control the music industry (including Contemporary Christian Music). They control the banks and Wall Street. Luciferians preside over Zionism, Freemasonry, the Roman Catholic Church and every form of evil imaginable!!! For an excellent crash course on the subject, I highly recommend reading Commander William Guy Carr's (1895-1959) awesome book titled, “Satan: Prince Of This World.”

Just think how truly great America could be if money weren't always an issue, because of greed, endless government regulations and fear of lawsuits. Young ladies would all learn to cook delicious meals, how to prepare and preserve foods, and make all sorts of pastries and breads. Young ladies would learn how to embroider hats, make their own fashioned clothing, use a sewing machine proficiently, knit hats and scarves, croqueting, gardening, and how to write poetry. Young people would learn the skills of motherhood and fatherhood. They'd all learn first-aid skills and caring for the wounded. From the earliest age, young people would be taught to live for others and respect life. All children would be privileged to learn the Word of God (i.e., the holy Bible) in school. Every subject taught would center around God in creation, which is the reality. None of these things are taught in satanic government (public) schools, because Satan wants your child to fail, to grow up to be a factory worker, pregnant out of wedlock and all messed up morally, a causality at age 20, a foolish idiot, never amounting to anything for God. This is America today, sad to say.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Precious 4 Comments [7/8/2018 7:54:22 AM]
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Word Salad Philosophy Award

Quote# 136905

So far I have suggested that in feminist, gender, and sexuality studies, heterosexuality is a problem, and a problem resistant to any easy solution. I have argued that heterosexuality cannot be easily queered, as if with a theoretical silver bullet, partly because its meaning relies on a dichotomous and aligned contrast between hetero and homo, straight and queer. And for better or worse, the dichotomy on which the oxymoronic weight of "queer heterosexual" and "same sex marriage" is built remains meaningful, and continues to produce material effects.

Heather Brook, Twitter - New Real Peer Review 4 Comments [7/8/2018 7:49:18 AM]
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Quote# 136872

"The Bible itself supports slavery"
No, it doesn't. In a part of the OT there are rules governing slavery within a particularly society at one time - which doesn't amount to general support.

Emma Dove, Premier Christianity 6 Comments [7/8/2018 7:48:54 AM]
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Quote# 136838

Today's Apostate Churches are Filled with Modernists!

Photo to Right: A homosexual painting by artist, Becki Jayne

The artwork to the right is also found on JesusInLove.org (Ms. Kittredge website). The painting was designed to identify a rejected Christ with rejected homosexuals. The message is evil, unbiblical, and blasphemous to God Almighty! This is another master deception by Satan to dupe naive people into believing that homosexuals are equal to Jesus in their sufferings.

Jesus was persecuted because He preached the TRUTH... John 8:40, "But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham." Jesus was rejected by most people because He spoke the Truth!

Homosexuals on the other hand, are not accepted because homosexuality is unhealthy, unnatural, uncivilized, and ungodly!!! We're talking apples and oranges here folks. How dare Becki Jayne, Kittredge Cherry, and other homosexuals, pervert the meaning of the cross of Christ, by alleging that their rejection is no different than what Jesus endured. Homosexuality MUST be rejected because it goes hand-in-hand with apostasy, AIDS, the deterioration of society, and the judgment of God.

Marsha Stevens is a professed Christian, who operates the ministry BALM (Born Again Lesbian Music). Sadly, Bill Gaither has befriended her, singing in concert with her, and has remained silent about the sin of homosexuality. Apostasy has crept into so many churches that today that a Bible-believing Christian is criticized for speaking out against sin. Tragically, the average professed "Christian" today is more upset with people like me (who preach against sin), than they are with the rockers, lesbians, abortionists, strippers, and shysters who deceitfully CLAIM to be "Christian."

Our churches are filled with modernists who aren't what they appear to be, "...having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away." That "power" is the Gospel (Romans 1:16). Modernists are everywhere today! They talk about the Bible, spiritual concepts, Biblical teachings, and the principles Jesus taught; BUT, they are unsaved, unregenerated, unrepentant, and on their way to Hell without Jesus Christ. They will certainly die in their sins if they continue on their present path of destruction.

I find the artwork above very offensive and blasphemous. Jesus was not a "faggot." The message being implied by the above picture is that any criticisms or rejection of homosexuality is equal to Christ-rejection. Talk about REVERSE-PSYCHOLOGY! Homosexuality is DIAMETRICALLY opposed to everything the Word of God teaches! The Bible is incontrovertible concerning the sinfulness of homosexuality. Any child knows that it was Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. God called homosexuals "sodomites" in the Old Testament (King James Bible), linking their wicked sin with the destruction which fell upon Sodom and Gomorrah.

Is it any wonder why the apostate New International Version NIV translators completely removed the word "sodomite" from the Bible? To no surprise, the same parent company which publishes the NIV also publishes The Joy of Gay Sex. A homosexual recently wrote me, alleging that Ezekiel 16:49-50 indicates that Sodom wasn't destroyed mainly for homosexuality. Argue as they may, the hideous sin which is spotlighted in Genesis 19:4-11 is homosexuality. By the way, these same Scriptures in Genesis reveal the violence, lawlessness, cold-heartedness, and vile affections which become more evident in a homosexualized society. The United States is headed for some dark times as homosexuality saturates our society and churches.

Those Who Seek to Legitimize and Justify Homosexuality are LIARS!

Photo to Left: A popular gay painting of Judas showing homosexual affection to Christ. This is sick!

Anyone who pretends that Jesus was a homosexual is a deceiver! Judas did not kiss Jesus with homosexual affection. Jesus and John were not gay lovers! Kittredge Cherry's new book, Jesus In Love, presents Jesus and John as gay lovers. Kittredge Cherry is unjust towards the Savior. She admits that she CAN'T prove Jesus was homosexual, but she writes a fictitious novel attacking Him nevertheless.

She has assassinated Jesus' character! Woe unto those who attack the Lord, and take His name in vain! To say that Christ was a homosexual is the same as calling Him a sinner, which is a denial of His deity. Jesus hated iniquity (Hebrews 1:9). The Word of God states that homosexuality is an ABOMINATION (i.e., hate coupled with disgust) to God. Homosexuality is utterly disgusting.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 3 Comments [7/8/2018 7:48:47 AM]
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Quote# 136552

This nation has gone down the toilet morally. I was in a hotel in Hawaii and the woman at the front desk waiting in line in front of me had on a white bikini. You could literally see her buttock's crevice through her bikini, butt naked in public. That's the new morality in America and it's bringing God's judgment upon our nation. People laugh and think it's a trifle matter, failing to realize that the murder of 53,000,000 human beings is directly related to our nation's attitude toward modesty. As television drags America down into the abyss of darkness, so also does our morals follow.

Praise God for you ladies who wear dresses and try not to make it any harder than it already is for the Christian men in America (who are trying to live right for the Lord).

The Unchanging Word Of God

The greatest victory Satan ever had over America was when our nation separated Jesus Christ from morality in the 1930's. When wealthy Jews formed Hollywood and opened its doors in the 1930's, they had every intention of subverting America.

This is evidenced in a publication so sensitive today that even mentioning it will result in this webpage likely being censored, so I will only link to it (the publication is over a century old and not very exciting reading; but if you do read and understand it, it is EXACTLY what is happening in the world today). People can say what they want, the publication has been prophetic (that's because it is indeed a blueprint for world conquest).

[Note: The publication he links to is The Protocols of the Elders of Zion]

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 3 Comments [7/8/2018 7:48:04 AM]
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Quote# 136528

Replication happens only because of reincarnation. Otherwise why would anything replicate?

Sriram, Religion and Ethics 3 Comments [7/8/2018 7:47:46 AM]
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Submitted By: NearlySane

Quote# 136456

Lady Checkmate's headline: "Canada's Trudeau corrects woman for using 'mankind' at town hall"

(cut-and-paste of Fox news story follows, link here: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/02/06/canadas-trudeau-corrects-woman-for-using-mankind-at-town-hall.html

Lady Checkmate:
Truedummy strikes again.

tranna boy:
this is our prime minister at his finest:

Lost: Canada's balls.

Speedskater Rex:
He doesn’t like to use the word because many people in Canada don’t consider himself man enough to run their country. He’s an ineffectual girly boy who can’t keep promises and wants to re-integrate ISIS terrorists into society. Pathetic “leader”.

Lady Checkmate, Disqus - News Network 1 Comments [7/8/2018 7:47:04 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 136451

Briefly, in case you don't know what a MAP is - it's short for "minor attracted person", which includes infantophiles, pedophiles, hebephiles, and ephebophiles. 

First, I don't want my children (and I'll have children) to develop a hateful worldview. Second, one of my children might as well turn out to be a MAP themselves, and they deserve to feel safe and accepted. Third, hating MAPs is really counterproductive, it's like hating all men just because some men are rapists.

 Akhnaton-II, Deviantart 4 Comments [7/8/2018 7:46:15 AM]
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Quote# 136365

We are in the End-Times now. The bible is talking about the New World Order.

However, Jesus will not return until the world frees itself from controls of the banks, themselves.

He may not come back from another 200 years. We are getting help from angels and aliens, though.

Diamond Heart, Y! answers 1 Comments [7/8/2018 7:45:57 AM]
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Quote# 136343

Gov. Sam Brownback is asking Kansans to fast and pray on his last full day in office.

“President George Washington, in his 1795 Proclamation for a Day of Public Thanksgiving called on Americans ‘to acknowledge our many and great obligations to Almighty God and to implore Him to continue and confirm the blessings we experience,’” Brownback said in a proclamation made public Monday.

“I personally feel blessed by the time I have spent serving our great state and would like to observe a time of prayer and fasting before God takes me on to the next part of my journey. I invite all Kansans to join me as we pray for our state and our nation.”

Brownback’s proclamation – his last in office – calls for a day of fasting and prayer on Tuesday. He will resign as governor at 3 p.m. Wednesday.

Sam Brownback, Kansas City Star 2 Comments [7/8/2018 7:45:29 AM]
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Submitted By: Doubting Thomas

Quote# 136340

Aristocracy as a Tool for Decreasing Time Preference

This excerpt from Fanastic [sic] Reality: Marxism and the Politics of Religion repeats claims that our parents have been telling us since we were toddlers:
Land in the Greco-Roman world was predominantly alienable and held privately. Suffice to say, class differentiation set in early. One tightly knit group of people–the rich, the particians, the aristocracy–won for themselves a privileged position whereby they accumulated ownership of large tracts of land and/or extracted by political-military means product or direct labour time from the primary producers: i.e., the peasants. Such an exploitive relationship, whereby a surplus is obtained by the minority class from the labor of the vast majority of peasants, inevitably affects every facet of society.

This model–that aristocracy was nothing more than a monopoly which existed to enrich itself–is quintessentially modern and Whiggish. Since the Whigs took over the planet, that’s the explanation we are fed. There is a contrary view, however, which has not received the objective, detached consideration it deserves:

Progressivism thinks that many social norms that neoreaction thinks were developed in order to change incentive structures to bring short-term individual payoffs in line with long-term societal-and-therefore-individual payoffs such that actors with shorter time-preference or more tendency to defect would act in accordance with what provided long-term payoffs to society were actually developed by factions seeking to maximize their payoff at the expense of those outside the faction; in addition, parts of it claim that these norms are actually to the disadvantage of those factions themselves. (“Patriarchy hurts men too!”) So actions that appear to the neoreactionary as defection—that is, as a move away from the social norms that incentivize civilization-building, societal stability and productivity, etc.—appear to the progressive as actually being a form of cooperation—changing the payoff matrix in a manner that benefits not only the individual outside the faction, but also certain factions and possibly society as a whole.

You may need to read the full post a couple times to understand the argument. Basically, in context of my argument for aristocracy, the reason why the aristocracy existed is that it benefited everyone in society more, bringing short-term individual incentives closer into alignment with behaviors conducive to the long-term success of civilization and society. Thinking that aristocracy existed only for its own personal enrichment at the expense of everyone else is a simplistic and wrongheaded inference; rather, it provided a system of overall organization that is superior to an informal aristocracy based only on money and divested of formal political power.

The system of aristocracy + peasants brought much greater wealth to society than if everyone were just cooperating peasants. Concentrating power and money in the hands of certain individuals gives rise to an overall structure that benefits everyone and is greater than the sum of its parts. In a medieval context, aristocracy was necessary to protect peasants from bandits and invading neighbors. Not optional–necessary! If the local duke and his family were murdered and their castle destroyed, it would be an occasion for deep despair and worry, not celebration.
Aristocracy accomplished many things that peasants did not. Namely, the entire foundation of the Scientific Revolution, all higher cultural artifacts including the invention of classical music and fine art, security for all peasants, a channel to facilitate long-distance trade and economic interaction with foreign entities, necessary civic administration, repairing roads and other essential infrastructure, and so on. If peasants were left to their own devices, they would not “spontaneously organize” as effective anarchists and make these things happen; instead, they would stagnate and degenerate, becoming less effective than before and be consumed by infighting, until another de facto duke emerged to restore order.

To understand the argument for a formal aristocracy in the modern era, one must first understand why they were so useful in a historical context. Let me also point out that an economic and political aristocracy already exists; it is just informal, so it has few if any cultural obligations. Aristocracy exists whether you like it or not (even in a Communist system), it’s just a question of whether it’s formalized or not. Formalizing it is better, leaving it cryptic is worse.

Michael Anissimov, More Right (via archive.today) 2 Comments [7/8/2018 7:45:21 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Projecting My Psychopathy Award

Quote# 136301

These questions come up in my mind when I've spent all day watching a Law & Order marathon.

On this show, people perjure themselves all the time to protect mothers, fathers, siblings, children (rarely spouses), and when at the very end of the episode, the detectives drag the truth out of them (namely, that they knew all along that mom, dad, sis, son was, in fact the murderer), they say, as if it's obvious and self-explanatory, "BUT SHE'S MY MOTHER," or fill in the other first-degree relative.

So I'm asking: would you perjure yourself in court to protect your parent, sibling, or child, knowing they were guilty?

Separate question: would you take the rap (jail) for your guilty parent, sibling, or child? (I'm presuming you wouldn't take the death penalty.)

I'd perjure myself for my folks but I don't think I'd take a murder rap nor would they let me.

might not agree with my dad for killing my neighbor with a snow shovel but if I could convince myself that he wasn't going to kill ALL my neighbors w/ snow shovels, I'd probably help him get away with it.

I think David Kaczynski was a hero but I'd have to be convinced my folks were a danger to society before I held up my social responsibility to rat on them. I'm selfish that way.

As for sex crimes, well, I figure my family's experience with sex crimes has informed my opinion of killing people.

Serious? Even if he did it without any real justification?What you think there's some special legal or moral privilege that attaches to having been a victim of sex crimes, that doesn't count for murder? I don't. And I've been a victim.

Bear in mind that I haven't advocated my actions from a legal, moral, or even a logical standpoint. Obviously everyone should be held to the same standard of justice.

That being said, are you really surprised that I value my loved ones more than the social contract? I picked an extreme example as a way of finding my own personal limit. I would imagine I'd be quite conflicted if I knew Mom or Dad killed someone with no provocation. However, if I saw an opportunity to get them out of trouble I would take it.

I haven't murdered the sex offenders in my own family but I'm not going to be upset if someone else does. I only raised the sex crimes issue to point out a personal hard limit - I can wrap my mind around helping my folks get away with murder but I could never defend them if they committed a sex crime.

So you're saying you're advocating actions you, yourself, think are immoral and illogical?
So you've never made a choice that you knew was wrong? I have a hard time believing you've seriously considered the hypothetical.

I'm saying that I would, in certain circumstances, chuck my morals and rationality for 2 people in a world of, what, 6,000,000,000? That doesn't make me an asshole, that makes me a normal member of society.

You nailed it earlier when you mentioned the justice system. LEO's aren't supposed to investigate family, your relations won't end up in the jury box and our spouses are often exempt from testifying. We've built our society with an acknowledgement of the importance of familial relationships.

MrDibble, I think you have unrealistic expectations of yourself and others. Further, I think slightly irrational balls-to-the-wall loyalty for a small number of people is just as important as trying to be a good global citizen.

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Really, it boils down to a simple question - how can anyone justify helping someone get away with murder? "Because they're family" doesn't quite have enough of an explanatory power to me. Why should it?

Justify is perhaps a poor word choice as we've posited the example of someone we know is guilty. The choice to commit perjury is inherently unjustified no matter what crime we're talking about, that's why it's perjury.

Why would I (in some circumstances) perjure myself so a loved one could escape a murder charge they were guilty of? Because I'd rather have my loved one free and not in prison. Because I value my family over society.

I'm not going to break that way every time but I can imagine doing it.

Chopper9760, The Straight dope 0 Comments [7/8/2018 7:42:57 AM]
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