Quote# 138980

Muslimcels, have you tried djinn women?

I'm pretty much ready to totally give up on femoids, they are all whores who live only to rack up high body counts with Chads. Djinn are smarter, pretty much better at doing anything than humans are, and are loyal in relationships. I think a djinn woman would probably be better for me than a femoid. Where do I go to find djinn ladies? What do I do? How do I cold approach a female djinn? I might be getting my hopes up, they might all only want Djinn Chad anyway...

Sparrow's Song, incels.me 16 Comments [7/18/2018 11:40:49 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 138979

Life is barbaric suffering / prolonged torture, for us.

For many of us, our introduction to life out of the womb, was having our genitals mutilated by a surgeon. Then to attend public education that systematically hates boys. Then to realize you're an incel for whatever reason. Then to develop mental problems. Then to work cuckwage jobs until your soul has been murdered. Then to reach NEET/LDAR only to be threatened that if you don't "get back on track" you'll be homeless. Then to contemplate roping. Then to realize you're just as scared of roping, as you are of living.

What in the actual fuck are we supposed to do ? How could this possibly be real ? This entire experience is a wide awake nightmare from HELL. I wish more of us had the resources and the nerve to ERadicate the cause of our suffering. The only thing that brings a smile to my face is the rare occasion when normies get a taste of their own goddamn medicine.

Hikikomori, incels.me 9 Comments [7/18/2018 11:40:46 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 138978

incel = classwarfare; the inevitable future.

Society is slowly reorganizing itself around hypergamy, this drives most societal changes over the past 100 years. The vast majority of males will not mate, and will be segregated from society; while a few males have more than a dozen concubines,

Eugenics on a global scale, or any individual 'self improvement' or change isn't a viable solution. The incel class will always have to exist (and form a majority) in the hypergamy structure. Therefore a form of non-aggressive and preferably non-visible form of segregation will have to be employed to keep society running smoothly.

incels will be infantalized via culture, distracted and satiated until their lonely deaths with anime and videogames. Eventually UBI will be applied so incels can truly self-segregate themselves from the economy itself. Other types of technology like VR or legalized drugs will probably be used too.
Slowly die in your one room apartment watching anime and playing nintendo games; sorry it's required of you.
do not show your face in public


The only technological solution I can think of that can overcome this social structure is to increase the number of women, so we would need to produce a dozen females for each male. This is vastly less inefficient than the segregation option (seeing as most females are strictly consumers and a drain on society); so I highly highly doubt this will happen.
Any idea to return to enforced monogamy is reactionary and a retarded idea, that system is exactly what naturally progressed to this point anyway.
Inceldom is the inevitable path along the march of history.

LSS.ILLYA.SERIES, incels.me 9 Comments [7/18/2018 11:40:39 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 138977

I would rather be a refugee than a normie white male in Europe
Just think about it. Just think about the benefits you can get as a refugee. Basically, the government provides everything for you: housing, food, money etc ... You don't need to work at all.

Plus, if you need more money you can rob some white beta male European cuck. This happens regularly at night in Europe, cucks even carry 100€ in the front pocket to give to a robber so they leave them alone without taking their wallet.

And the biggest advantage for a refugee is that he can rape any prime blonde Stacy on the street that he wants, without any repercussions. They only get caught if they are stupid, they can easily participate in gangbangs as a group and no one will find them in the sea of refugees. I haven't seen one refugee get caught for rape. Just take a look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year's_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany
There are hundreds of cases like this throughout Europe. Maybe only a small percentage gets caught.

I'm seriously feeling sorry for ethnics that are second or third generation immigrants and didn't come here in the recent wave of immigration. Only people getting sex in Europe right now are chads and refugees, that's why I am sad I wasn't born a refugee, instead, I was born a stupid degenerate below-average white guy. My only option now is SEA, Europe is long gone.

Unwanted, incels.me 7 Comments [7/18/2018 11:40:34 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 138976

You missed my point. Homosexuality *is* self-indulgence by its very nature.
God abominates homosexuality, and if you think otherwise you are just kidding yourself.

I P Knightly, Premier 11 Comments [7/18/2018 11:37:22 AM]
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Submitted By: CC

Quote# 138975

Homosexuality is idolatry, it is the worship of yourself, a sort of narcissism where you indulge yourself with someone like yourself. And do you not look like a mortal man?

The Bible doesn't obsess with 'sexuality' because it doesn't exist, as I said. Nor would I have any interest in it if it were not that sinners use it as an excuse for their sin.

Martin, Premier 13 Comments [7/18/2018 11:37:16 AM]
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Submitted By: CC

Quote# 138973

Jesus, Paul and the theological liberal

Jesus: And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the Kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into Hell, where the worm never dies and the fire never quenches. (Matthew 9:47)

Strawman: Whoawhoawhoa Jesus, WHOAAA! Don't you know what that sounds like to people ?

(=Addressing the audience=)

Strawman: Alright guys, so check it out. I know that sounded super bad, but Jesus didn't REALLY mean what it seemed like he obviously meant with all that ugly sin and hell and fire and stuff. There's metaphors, smiles and just WAIT until you here about this one garbage dump...

Next panel.

Paul: Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, - (1 Corinthians 6:9)

Strawman: PAUL! Wait man! Did you really have to include THAT one ?

(=Addressing the audience=)

Strawman: Alright guys, wow, yeah that def sounded waay not OK. I know it sounds like Paul was talking about men who practiced homosexuality when he said "Men who practiced homosexuality" but there are different ways of looking at it, lemme just explain it to you okay ?

Next panel.

Jesus: Just as Jonah spent three days and nights in the belly of a fish, so will the Son of Man spend three days and nights in the heart of- (Matthew 12:40)

Strawman: (bursts out laughing) JESUS! So embarrassing!!! Please just stop now and let me explain this to people.

(=Addressing the audience=)

Strawman: I know Jesus just validated as literal one of the craziest sounding stories of the Old Testament but listen: he didn't mean it LITERALLY, you know ? Jesus would never say something that contradicts science - he's just referring to this story as, like, a Jewish legend or something. Everyone knows there's no way a dude could live inside a huge fish for three days! Even God can't make that happen.

Next panel.

Paul: But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. (1 Galations 8:9)

Strawman: PAUL! BRO! Harsh sounding for reals.

(=Addressing the audience=)

Strawmen: Wow Paul can be an animated fellow huh! I know that sounded pretty bad but listen, it's not as it seems: God's love is big enough to cover ALL people and by what I mean by that is whatever you or o want to be true about God and how he deals with people is true. Okay :)

Next panel.

Jesus: Whoever is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels. (Luke 9:26)

Strawman: JESUS! Ugh, that sounds so bad!!!

(=Attempts to address the audience=)

Strawman: Alright look, Jesus didn't really mean that he just... (Pauses before glancing to the side) Hey you didn't really mean that, right ?

Adam Ford, Adam4D 10 Comments [7/18/2018 11:36:42 AM]
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Submitted By: Christopher

Quote# 138970

“I want to denounce the leftist junta that manipulates the common opinion in Greece for decades since the allegedly right side declares that respects the struggles of the left parties and serve the left wing. And this leftist junta sees everywhere, even in the protests for our Macedonia, fascist and nazi people. You are wring. You are only afraid of the people and this is why you do not proceed to the most needed solution. The declaration of a referendum in order to see if Greek People agree with the agreement at Prespa or not.

Golden Dawn insists: Referendum in order for Greek People to decide for their future on this important matter. We will constantly repeat it: Macedonia is only one and is Greek!”


Nikolaos G. Michaloliakos, Golden Dawn 7 Comments [7/18/2018 9:53:36 AM]
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Submitted By: hydrolythe

Quote# 138968

Exposing Universalism: A Comprehensive Guide to the Faulty Appeals Made by Universalists Paul Young, Brian McLaren, Rob Bell, and Others Past and Present to Promote a New Kind of Christianity

In recent decades universal reconciliation (UR) has sharpened its attack on evangelical faith. By their fiction and nonfiction, and by film (The Shack), universalists such as Paul Young, Brian McLaren, Rob Bell, and others are propagating the idea that the love of God trumps all other attributes of God including his holiness and justice. From this starting point universalists believe that all people are born as children of God, that all are going to heaven, that all must embrace God’s love. Those who reject God in this life will repent after death and escape hell. Even the devil and his angels will repent from hell and go to heaven.

Universalism is an old idea. Christians have confronted UR since the third century and refuted it as heresy—heresy because UR believes that faith in Jesus is unnecessary. Thus, the death of Jesus Christ as an atonement for sin becomes unnecessary.

Through his acquaintance with Paul Young, De Young is increasingly concerned that Young and other universalists are misleading many. In this book De Young challenges all the arguments that universalists make—their appeals to the Bible, to logic and reason, and to church history—and shows that they are unconvincing.

James De Young, Google Books 5 Comments [7/18/2018 8:35:18 AM]
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Quote# 138961

I saw Jesus sitting at the right hand of the Father in a holy city in the Father's empire. The Bible never says Jesus was enthroned at the right hand of God; it says He was enthroned. God sits on a seat of authority on a throne within His heavenly city, and Jesus sits in a royal seat next to the Father at His right hand. Jerusalem is God's Heavenly city. This is the city we sing about in worship songs.

David Taylor, My Trip to Heaven: Face to Face with Jesus 6 Comments [7/18/2018 3:01:37 AM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 138960

No matter what you believe in op its clear, "every knee will bow, every tongue shall confess He is king"
That's can be a very fearful thought translating into anger , resentment, or any kind if disbelief towards Him.
Or it can be satisfying, especially for His followers, the ones that obey His command. I can't wait for that day. Not because "I'm perfect" far from it. But that's why our 'ticket to heaven' isn't granted to us by good works, but by obedience.
Questioning God is like a piece of pottery questioning the creator of the pottery. What right does it have? The creator has every right to do whatever it so chooses.
& instead of thanking the creator, it blames him for everything wrong

pro_user_here_, 9Gag 8 Comments [7/18/2018 3:01:25 AM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 138954

(=A respone to a homosexual interpretation of the centurion and his servant=)

he account takes all the things stated by the comments into account, but all forget one thing..Jesus! Jesus knew what he was doing, not snookered by the elders or the centurion. He knew the Mosaic law about homosexuality he knew the authority behind it, his Father. so if what is being said he healed a gay man, this is incorrect. In each example during his 3 and a half year ministry Jesus never once was in accomplice in ones sins but told never to do it again. forgave them and directed them toward another path. Never to keep something sinful going. Jesus knew the heart of the centurion and if what is being said, Jesus would not have healed the 'pais', it would have been against everything he stood for, even the love his own Father is. Ones want love to continue to cover all sins, even while we keep doing them, but the time will come when God will not cover us with mercy and love but remove evil, wickedness and sin from this earth. That is love, not keep picking us up, but truly teaching us how to walk without falling. Not feeding us crumbs, but teaching us how to feed ourselves fully. This is true love!

Houseman, Patheos 7 Comments [7/17/2018 3:49:10 PM]
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Quote# 138947

It hurts to be ignored. When you call somebody and they don't call you back, you want to break their pencil...lol. Seriously, you wish you could get them fired or put them in jail. I hate jerks. But I always find comfort in Scriptures such as Ecclesiastes 12:14 which says God will bring EVERY WORK into judgment. In Matthew 12:36 Jesus warned that God will judge men for their very words.

Certainly it's not my place to say what God will or won't do, but I DO KNOW that God does care, and he has set the Golden Rule as the benchmark for judgment Day... Matthew 7:12, “Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.” God is going to judge you on the basis of how you would have wanted people to treat you. Anything that you do to someone else will be judged by your own principles. A man once said to me that we all live by our own book. What that interprets to is that everyone is selfishly and sinfully doing that which is right in their own eyes. Well, I choose to live by God's Book... the holy Bible. I treat others the way I want to be treated. Your book doesn't matter. God's Word is all that matters.

I have a tender-heart and get my feelings hurt easily. I'm not embarrassed to admit that. I've had people in life advise me to grow thicker skin. I've tried but it's not in my nature. I am a kind person.

David J. Stewart, Jesus is Savior 18 Comments [7/17/2018 3:48:55 PM]
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Quote# 138939

Do videogame developers deserve prison?

I am of the opinion that mentalcelling doesn't exist. If you were sufficiently good-looking, you would not feel any social inhibition. However, for those who rate 5 to 8 on the looks scale, I'm convinced video games and other solitary, low-T activities do make it worse on the front of relationships.

Inceldom aside, video games, especially RPGs and RTS, are a notorious time sink. Many gifted young men underperformed at school because of them, and the time spent by nerds on Civilization 4 could have been used for PhDs in physics or biology. I'm sincerely convinced that video games are currently slowing down greatly the progress of society, although this is mitigated by the money funneled into semiconductor research by hardware enthusiasts.

Do you think video game developers and producers deserve to be jailed for their negative impact on young men?

Fontaine, incels.me 23 Comments [7/17/2018 3:47:40 PM]
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Quote# 138957

I’m supposed to take it as fact from creepy FBI weirdos that some Russians, apparently doing the job the American media wouldn’t do, hacking thecunt’s & podesta’s emails and revealing their malice and corruption to a better informed citizenry is a threat to democracy? Get outta here with that gazpromming bullshit!

CH, Chateau Heartiste 12 Comments [7/17/2018 1:46:07 PM]
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Quote# 138956

Here's the deal: The Western Left didn't want to face up to the fact that the voters were turning hard against their Globohomo agenda, so they concocted a huge bogeyman in Russian meddling in Western elections which brainwashed voters to abandon the Left.

ie, it's never the Left's fault.

Heartiste, Gab 13 Comments [7/17/2018 1:45:49 PM]
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Quote# 138955

Universalism: Its Distortions and Dangers

There has been in recent years a resurgence of universalism as a theological option among Christians. Perhaps it is the pluralism of our day, the rise of postmodernism with its debunking of truth, the speed of communication via the internet, the challenges of living Christianly in an increasingly polarized world, and general biblical illiteracy in the West that have contributed to the new appeal of universalism.


Definitions and Historical Overview

Universalism is the belief that all people, and even fallen angels and Satan himself, will be reconciled to God. While the wicked of this life go to a place of torment, such as hell, they do not go there “forever.” In due time the “fires” of hell will purify all the wickedness away and all will eventually go to heaven, to spend “eternity” in the presence of God.

This is the usual Christian form of universalism which maintains restoration after future punishment. Another form of Christian universalism asserts that restoration takes place immediately after death. The idea of restoration only after punishment was declared by the Universalist movement in America to be the “orthodox” view in 1878, at Winchester, N.H. “Penitence, forgiveness, and regeneration” are all involved. There is also a pagan form of universalism that teaches that all will ultimately be happy since all are, by nature, the creatures and children of God.

The chief argument of universalism is the emotive appeal to God’s mercy and love. As the argument goes: How can a loving God torment people forever in hell, the lake of fire, for failing to believe during a lifetime of a relatively few number of years? There is also an appeal to Scripture, but in the end Scripture takes second place to the appeal to a sense of fairness and justice in God’s dealing with people.

Followers of universalism go back at least to the third century when Clement of Alexandria and, especially, Origen (d. 254), a leading biblical scholar of the 3rd century, espoused such a belief. The Scriptural arguments rest on three points: (1) the purpose of God to restore all things to their original excellence (Acts 3:21; Origen called this apokatastasis; (2) the means of restoration through Christ (Rom. 5:18; Heb. 2:9); and (3) the nature of restoration as the union of every person with God (1 Cor. 15:24-28). The Christian church answers that the texts which speak about “all” refer not to all but to everyone who is in Christ; and that this interpretation is the only one compatible with the Bible’s teaching on the “diverse destinies of the righteous and the wicked (Matt. 25:46; John 3:16; 5:29; Rom. 2:8-10; 9:22-23).”

James De Young , Burning Down The Shack 9 Comments [7/17/2018 1:45:34 PM]
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Submitted By: CC

Quote# 138953

Christ IS NOT MY LORD. Why do I feel I belong?

You sound pretty angry at the thought of having Jesus as your Lord. Much more angry than someone who has no use for God would have and display. Usually they just go on in silence and not try to convince anyone of Him not being their Lord. Who are you trying to convince? Us? Or, maybe yourself…

You sound like it is a real struggle for you as you know He should be your Lord, but you still defy His words and rebell against Him.

That's a that's a pretty common place to be my friend; but you need to make a decision. Are you going to make a decision for Christ or decision against Him? Jesus doesn't want people who are half and half on the fence. He says in Revelation 3:16 that He would rather people be either on fire for Him or ice cold…not lukewarm.

I understand your struggle and your resistance, but be honest- what is holding you back? What reason do you have to not want to accept Christ?

As I tell everyone - salvation is free. As in, no cost to you. God gives it out to all who ask for it and accept it by faith in Christ. The alternative is you paying for your sins yourself. And that is going to require you being out of God's presence (hell) for all eternity because you can't possibly work hard enough or do enough to pay for your sin debt.

But Jesus can pay for it and He has. And He wants to apply it to your account. All you have to do is ask for it and take it.

So again I ask - what's holding you back from that? Are you happy living on the fence? Your heart is telling you it's the right thing to do, but your sinful side is telling you don't do it.

Surely you must have some reasons for not wanting to accept Christ . Is it lack of evidence that keeps you back or do you not like the thought of giving your life over to God and doing what He says and being obedient to Him ? Is there something perhaps in your lifestyle that you don't want to give up?

You don't have to answer those questions obviously as they are rhetorical. But just think about why you're rejecting Christ and what your reasons are…and ask yourself - are those good reasons? Are they good enough to put my eternity at stake?

I'll leave those words with you for you to struggle with and talk to God about. But if you ask me, you are making a foolish mistake if you choose not to accept Christ. There are infinite pluses and no negatives to it.

You're not going to find a better deal anywhere else. God offers you eternal life for free, but keep in mind that the deal ends when your life ends - that's when they both expire.

Bob Triez, Quora 1 Comments [7/17/2018 12:47:43 PM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 138952

You’re drawn to the Church because your conscience is seared from your sin and there’s a force compelling you towards repentance. And if you have even a single sin to repent for then you need Jesus. (And we all do)

You’re drawn to the Church because God created everything in the universe and despite your attempts to force yourself to believe in some form of atheism or agnosticism and Darwinism you feel compelled to think that there is a Creator and a higher purpose. (And there is)

You’re drawn to the Church because God created you with a God-sized hole in your heart that only He can fill. And you’ve tried filling it with everything else and nothing seems to satisfy the longing for “more”—even though you can’t yet describe that longing and aren’t ready yet to admit that it’s for God. (And it is)

You’re on your way friend. Humble yourself. Seek God in prayer with ALL your heart, soul, mind, and strength. God is already pursuing you, that is why you feel compelled. You’re the prodigal son. God is waiting for you to come home. Go to Him, He will run out to meet you!

God bless.

Brian S. Holmes , Quora 5 Comments [7/17/2018 12:47:16 PM]
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Submitted By: Denizen

Quote# 138951

Ex-Gay Reveals the Horrific Sexual Abuse That Marred His Identity

Kegan Wesley's testimony is one of the most powerful you'll hear. Now a popular speaker, he was once a scared child who was horrifically raped by multiple men—and his friends.

"I remember after, you know, the men were finished with me, I went outside and (I was) physically hurting, emotionally hurting, not knowing where to go or who to go to," Wesley recalls. "And if I went to somebody, what would I say?"

Thus Wesley embraced what he thought was his identity—that is, a member of the gay community.

But God wasn't about to let him get away.

Watch his incredible testimony.

Jessilyn Justice, Charisma 6 Comments [7/17/2018 12:47:08 PM]
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Quote# 138945

All humanity is evil.

The only cure/ proper redemption for creativity and propriety in our universe long lost from OUR nature... is their enslavement, and complete submission.

Eugeniker, Sluthate 4 Comments [7/17/2018 8:43:29 AM]
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Submitted By: Pharaoh Bastethotep

Quote# 138942

You are absolutely correct that Justice demands the punishment fits the crime. In human terms, that's why there are human laws that deal with the crimes of man. However, human punishment has no bearing on the soul of the individual. Human justice cannot punish the soul, only the body. Therefore, human justice is incomplete.
The reason eternal torment is necessary is for the soul. When we sin, not only is it usually a mental and/or physical act of defiance towards God. It is also a spiritual act of defiance towards God. It's "I don't need you to tell me how to live my life, my soul is fine on my own". That's the sin Adam & Eve committed against God in the Garden and why the spiritually died that day. At the end of life, the soul lives on and it would seem that as it was in physical life, it is in physical death. If it accepted Christ's gift of salvation, then it is spiritually reborn and lives forever, glorifying Christ. If it did not accept Christ's gift of salvation, then it is spiritually dead and forever curses Christ.

Bryan, Stream 11 Comments [7/17/2018 8:42:26 AM]
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Submitted By: CC

Quote# 138936

~The Shack From Hell
The Shack is a movie that pretends to be a Christian film but it is NOT! It is a 100% in-Biblical move. It is a cult and an a heresy. It is part of the Grace Cult. It is New Age religion. The Shack is anti-Christ. The Shack portrays God as a woman, God the Mother. Jesus taught the prayer, "Our Father who art in Heaven." Not, "Our Mother who art in Heaven." Jesus called God "Father" 165 times. Jesus said, "Abba Father,' he said, 'everything is possible for you." [Mark 14:36]. Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of Heaven and earth. " [Mt.11:25]. "How much more will your Father in Heaven give good gifts to those who ask him." [Matt. 7:11]. Jesus said, "I am ascending to my Father and your Father." [John 20:17].In the New Testament letters God is called "Father" 40 times. "There is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist." [1 Cor.8:6]. "I kneel before the Father, from whom every family in Heaven and on earth derives its name." [Eph.3:14]."Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ." [1 Cor.1:3].

The Shack shows God the Father as an African woman who suffered Christ’s crucifixion. This is an ancient heresy that teaches that God the Father suffered on the cross. The Shack falsely teaches that Jesus is the best way to know God, not the only way. The Shack teaches universalism, that is, that all people will be saved. In the movie “Papa” chides a person that he is now reconciled to the whole world. The person retorts, “The whole world? You mean those who believe in you, right?” “Papa” responds, “The whole world.” The Shack's Jesus says, "Those who love me come from every system that exists. They were Buddhists or Mormons, Baptists or Muslims. I have no desire to make them Christian, but I do want to join them in their transformation into sons and daughters of my Papa, into my brothers and sisters.” The Shack God says, "In Jesus, I have forgiven all humans for their sins against me."

The Shack sees God’s nature as “too loving” to let anyone who has refused to seek salvation suffer the eternal consequences of sin. The Shack says, "Holiness has nothing to do with sin." And, "I don't need to punish sin." The Word of God says when the Lord Jesus is revealed from Heaven in blazing fire, "He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction " [2 Thess. 1:7-9].

In the Shack God's holiness is perverted. God's judgment and holiness are considered to be in conflict with his love. The Shack says judgment makes God "grossly unjust." The Shack teaches no responsibility and no accountability. It says, "You won't find the word responsibility in the Scriptures." God the Father in the Shack says, "Honey, I've never placed an expectation on you or anyone else." This is a blasphemous lie. God's Word says, "Repent and change." [Mt.4:17]. God's Word says, "Without holiness no one will see the Lord." [Heb.12:14]. God's Word says, "Faith without action is dead." [Jms.2:26]. God's Word say, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation." [Mk.16:15].

God's Word says feed the hungry, cloth the naked, visit prisoners, invite strangers into your home, help the sick. [Mt.25:41-46]. The Shack teaches that God is a friend, not Lord. It teaches that he is a "Buddy," but not a God to be served. The Shack teaches the Grace Cult. That God does everything and people do nothing. It teaches that God's grace forgives us no matter what. The Word says, "If we willfully keep on sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of Judgment and burning fire which will consume the enemies of God...How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who have treated as unholy the blood of the Covenant and who has insulted the Spirit of Grace?

'Vengeance is mine, I will repay,' and, 'The Lord will judge his people.' It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.” [Heb.10:26-31]. If people willfully keep on sinning after they have received the truth there is NO SACRIFICE FOR THEIR SINS LEFT! The goal of the Shack is not reaching multitudes of Lost souls in world but feeling wholeness about oneself. The Shack does not promote stopping mass millions of souls from going to an eternal Hell, but it teaches people to feel good about themselves. The Shack wants everyone to be happy and comfortable. Jesus Christ says, "Because you are lukewarm, neither hot nor cold, I am about to VOMIT YOU OUT OF MY MOUTH!" [Rev.3:16].

The Shack wants everyone to say, "I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing." [Rev. 3:17]. But Jesus says, "You do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked...BE ZEALOUS HOT AS THE GLOW OF SOLIDS AND BOIL OF LIQUIDS AND REPENT AND CHANGE!" [Rev.3:17-19].

DaneMuhlig, Youtube 12 Comments [7/17/2018 6:30:33 AM]
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Submitted By: CC

Quote# 138935

THE MOVIE, “THE SHACK”
How the Film Is Anti-Christian, Anti-Marriage, Anti-American

The film “The Shack” will soon appear in theaters nationwide and probably beyond. If it is as popular as the novel on which it is based it will be a blockbuster.
For those who do not know, this is the movie version of the fictional novel, The Shack. This novel has sold upwards of 20 million copies over the last several years. It was on the NY Times best seller list for many months. It made the author a billionaire. This is quite amazing when we consider that this was written by a writer claiming to be a Christian and intended for Christians to give a Christian explanation for why people suffer. Obviously the story has resonated with a multitude of people, whether Christians or not, who have wondered about the love of God, eternity, and why Jesus Christ came into the world.

The story is about Mac and many Christians like him who are struggling with serious life questions and uncertainty about their faith. They have been challenged by severe suffering beyond their control. They feel that God does not care about them and perhaps has even abandoned them. Many are angry at God. Like Mac they may come to a shack where they come face to face with God. The Shack provides an explanation for their pain and anger, and a way of escape—back to God.
But deeper, more gnawing questions often lie behind the surface struggles. If God is a good God why do so many people suffer? If God is a good God why are so many people—those who are non-Christians—destined for eternal suffering? Why should people suffer everlastingly for sin and for sins committed during a short life time? If God is love, why does he judge people and send them to hell? At one time or another all have thought about such heavy questions.
It is really these difficult questions that The Shack seeks to answer. But the answer is surprising. The answer is not to explain the Bible’s teaching on these matters but to provide a new understanding of who God is—a God who is all loving and whose love limits his judgment and justice. Paul Young says that Christians have misunderstood God, indeed, the whole Trinity.

And this is where the rub comes in.
It is well known that the novel became a focus of controversy. This controversy swirls around the author, William Paul Young, and whether he has tried to sell subliminally his beliefs as a universalist in his novel. There are many who believe that the novel has betrayed Christian belief, that it is heresy. There are others who think not.

So The Shack is hotly debated.
I became involved in the controversy because I have known the author, Paul Young, for over a couple decades. He and I founded a Christian forum in the late 1990’s and we entertained all sorts of questions about Christian belief. Then in 2004 Paul presented a 103-page paper in which he said that he was rejecting his “evangelical paradigm” and embracing universal reconciliation. This is the belief that God is so good and loving that he cannot judge anyone. So everyone will be saved either before or after dying. It means that unbelievers in hell and the Devil and his angels will be “corrected” or “purified” by their sufferings in hell. They will repent, believe the gospel about Jesus Christ, and enter into heaven. In the final end hell will cease to exist; there will be none left. God’s love triumphs over all.
Such universalism is not new. It was first expressed in the 3rd century by an early church leader and then was declared heretical in the 6th century. It came to America in the 1740’s and was quite successful during the next century. But evangelical Christians held the teaching up to the scrutiny of the Bible and always found it in error.

The month following Young’s presentation I presented a paper to oppose his and argued for the Christian understanding of the Bible. But Paul was not present. He stopped attending our forum and began writing his novel. After The Shack was first completed a couple of his pastor friends who opposed the blatant universalism in it have testified that they spent a whole year trying to remove the universalism. Then in 2007 the novel was published and became a bestseller. In 2010, I published my book, Burning Down the Shack, to expose its heresy in the light of the Bible.
The big question that remains is this: Were the editors able to remove all the universalist teaching in the novel and now in the film? Do the novel and the film promote universalism? The only way to prove the answer is to hold up the various statements in the novel and in the film to the scrutiny of the Bible and to compare them to the major teachings of universalism.

What do we discover? The Shack makes many questionable, even heretical statements. Here are a dozen or so examples from the book. Papa (depicting God the Father) says that the first aspect of his being is not that he is Almighty but that he limits himself. The Trinity of three persons became “fully human.” Jesus “has never drawn on his nature as God to do anything.” “God cannot act apart from love.” The whole Trinity was crucified. “God is not who you think I am.” God doesn’t punish sin but cures it. In a relationship with God there is no authority and no submission. God cannot send any of his children to an eternity of hell just because they sin against him. God will not “condemn most to an eternity of torment.” “Mercy triumphs over justice because of love.” God is “now fully reconciled to the world.” “In Jesus, I have forgiven all humans for their sins against me.”

Most of these statements are in the film. All of them are found in the expressed teaching of universalism (as even Wikipedia shows). And if this is so, then the implications are staggering.
Many other reviewers who know nothing of Young’s background also find this heresy in his novel and film. And through the ages Christians have provided better responses to the challenge of suffering without denying the faith.

Young is especially opposed to the institutions of marriage, the church, and the government. He has Papa call them a “diabolical scheme,” “a man-created trinity of terrors that ravages the earth and deceives those I care about. . . . It’s all false.”
In light of the preceding, Young’s novel is a subtle attempt to change the Biblical teaching about God, the Trinity, judgment, eternal destiny and hell, salvation, the Holy Spirit, and the institutions which God created that give order, meaning, permanence, and pleasure to culture and nations. The movie version is a subliminal selling of universalism.

It is not going too far to identify Young and other universalists as terrorists against the evangelical church, as anarchists against this country and every country and our culture with its affirmation of marriage, and as deceivers inspired by the Devil himself to undermine the truth of the Bible about the nature of God, the Trinity, the church, and who his children are. Jesus and the Apostles made similar judgments about false teachers in their day (see Matthew 7:13-16; Galatians 1:7-9; 2 Cor. 11:13-15; and the Book of Jude). We should do no less in our day for the greater glory of God and the truth that is in our Lord Jesus Chris

James De Young, Eric Barger 5 Comments [7/17/2018 6:30:30 AM]
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Entropy is always increasing. A fully disordered society is illustrated by wild animals and primitive peoples such as the Tasmanian aboriginals, where all other creatures except for close kin are enemies, obstacles or sources of raw materials – Hobbes state of war. So if you look back in history, you can always see entropic processes, bringing us back towards that condition.

So, how come ordered societies exist, how come surviving and prosperous societies are generally at least somewhat orderly?

You cannot make something clean without making something else dirty, but you can make any amount of stuff dirty without making anything clean. Order for the ingroup always comes at the expense of someone else: Thus, for example, chastity and monogamy requires men hitting badly behaved women with a stick. (Dalrock banned me for pointing this out.) Thus, for example, in Africa we saw societies that herded cattle and planted crops had to enslave, or kill and eat, vagrants that were apt to hunt other people’s cattle and gather from other people’s gardens. The shift from hunting and gathering to herding and gardening involved extended cooperation – and a fair bit of brutality to hunters and gatherers.

As birds are born to fly, humans are born to cooperate. That is our key capability. Our telos is various forms of cooperation, as the heart’s telos is to circulate blood. The whites of our eyes are white, so that other people can see what we are looking at. We are vulnerable to choking, because our throat is optimized towards making a wider variety of distinct sounds than other animals. We have a more muscles in our face than other animals, so that we can unfalsifiably communicate our emotional state, just as every feature of a bird’s anatomy is optimized for low weight and high metabolic output. This cooperation manifested as tribes cooperating to kill other tribes and capture their women. Order consists of extended cooperation. Because entropy naturally tends to increase, because there are a near infinity of ways for society to be disordered, but only a small number of ways for it to be ordered, maintaining order requires a fair bit of ruthlessness towards disorderly people and towards outgroups whose cooperation is unlikely. Gays undermine male solidarity. David’s mighty men could cohere because David could love Jonathan. David could love Jonathan because gays were put to death. Peoples who have gay parades do not win wars.

The ten commandments consist of four commandments concerning man’s relationship to God, five commandments that had the effect of ensuring that congregation of the Lord operated on a cooperate cooperate basis, and the final commandment, the tenth commandment, prohibited coming up with clever rationales for undermining, subverting, and re-interpreting those five.

The four commandments that facilitate cooperation are:
Exodus 20:

Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Thou shalt not steal.
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

The rule on honoring thy parents and committing adultery secured ownership of family, thus cooperation within the family. The rules against killing, stealing, and false witness enabled economic cooperation on the basis of property rights and the market economy.

And the final commandment:

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.

prohibits people from concocting ingenious theories as to why someone else’s property or wife is rightfully their own – forbids the entire ideology and program of Social Justice.

Compliance to the four commandments concerning God made fellow members of the congregation readily identifiable, and by complying with these four commandments, for which compliance was as visible as possible, one gave other members of the congregation reason to believe one would comply with the other five commandments, for which compliance was less visible, and thus reason to believe that cooperation with people who complied with the first four would be reciprocated and rewarded by cooperation, resulting in cooperate/cooperate equilibrium.

Social Justice Warriors have turned the tenth commandment on its head, making envy and covetousness a sacrament. This explains their chronic failure to cooperate, explains why rallies to save the earth leave a snail trail of trash behind them. Social Justice declares that what people have is “privilege” and should be taken away from them. Which creates a society in which people have no reason to have wealth or family.

A religion is a synthetic tribe. If the priesthood has power and status, and also has open entry into the priesthood, one gets holiness spirals – as for example priestly celibacy. Cooperate cooperate equilibrium, giving every man his due, makes all good members of the religion equal in holiness though unequal in property and power, thus a holiness spiral is going to redefine holiness away from forms that promote cooperation. The tribal religion has to reward exceptional and unusual holiness with honor, but not power and wealth. Send saints to live in a hermitage with spartan living conditions on a remote island as far from the capital as possible, where they can demonstrate superior holiness without subverting and undermining social order. On the one hand, to encourage good behavior, the society must honor supererogatory holiness. On the other hand preaching superogatory holiness always threatens to redefine holiness in ways that undermine order, making holiness a force of disorder instead of order.

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Starbucks hates its customers, and LucasFilm hates its customers, which subverts cooperation on the basis of exchange. While practicing supererogation should be honored, preaching it needs to be forcefully suppressed. People who preach supererogation should not be martyred, which might increase their status, but rather treated like a stray dog that chases chickens – punished in ways that lower their status.

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If the Sovereign is forced to punish someone who preaches supererogatory holiness in a way that might potentially increase their status (and Charles the second was forced to burn one conspicuously and irritatingly holy nonconformist woman at the stake) the Sovereign should lock the body in a mortuary for three days, and on the third day ironically check the body to see if they have risen from the dead. But it is as dangerous to martyr those who preach supererogatory holiness, as it is to tolerate them. The Sovereign must always strike at primarily at their status, as Russia dealt with Pussy Riot and European University.

While entropy always increases, it is always possible to locally reduce entropy, usually at the expense of someone else less effective and successful at extended cooperation (as, for example, women, pussy riot, gays, or hunter gatherer outgroups).

The highest and best example of this is western civilization, which is anglo civilization, which is the restoration of Charles the Second. The restoration gave us science, technology, corporate capitalism, industrialization, and world empire, which represent the highest level of extended cooperation ever achieved.

The restoration cured the disorderly tendencies of the protestant holiness spiral by putting priests under bishops, and bishops under the King. Which was the imposition of order, at the expense of “non conformists” – whose very name implies their disorderly tendencies. “Non conformists” were priests, professors, judges, and suchlike who were disinclined to accept this hierarchy, on the grounds that the King at the top was conspicuously lacking in holiness. We need to do something similar with our university system, as well as radically reducing its size and the amount of time it sucks out of people’s lives – we need to do Charles the Second’s Bishops, and Henry the Eighth’s dissolution of the monasteries.

Universities have always had as their primary job inculcating people in the official religion, and giving people cultural and scientific knowledge has always been merely their secondary job. Lately, their secondary job has largely been abandoned. It used to be that giving people job skills was entirely irrelevant, since this was done by enforceable apprenticeship.

We shall restore the enforceable apprenticeship system and divest universities of the task of giving people job skills, in the process divesting them of the power to accredit people to jobs. We shall give considerably higher, but still secondary, priority to the task of giving people cultural and scientific knowledge, and change the official religion to make it saner, by erasing all doctrines that are potentially falsifiable by the realities of this world. Members of the elite will still be required to adhere to the official religion, as they are now, but the task of checking adherence will not be outsourced to the universities. Instead, people in state jobs and quasi statal jobs will be required to recite a catechism and take an oath.

Contrary to the myth about the plymouth rock puritans, that early puritans supposedly filled the North American continent, where we have genealogies, puritans are descended from those who left restoration England to establish their own dissident theocracy, not from the pre english civil war wave of migrants fleeing Charles the first, but from the post civil war wave of “noncomformist” migrants fleeing the restoration, fleeing Charles the Second and subsequent Kings. The first wave, the pre civil war wave, left very few direct descendants.

Restoration England was successful at elite eugenic reproduction, because women were kept under control, and cured the disorderly propensities of the protestant reformation by keeping “non conformists” under control, thereby enabling the extended cooperation that made science and industry possible. Immediately after the restoration, we see Ayn Rand’s heroic archetype appear, the scientist engineer CEO, mobilizing other people’s capital and other people’s labor to advance technology and make that technology widely available. Often these were people who before the restoration had competed for superior holiness, (analogous to Musk’s subsidized and money burning tesla, solar panels, and solar batteries), but after the restoration competed for creating technology to produce value (analogous to Musk’s reusable booster rocket.) This form of order was made possible at the expense of “non conformists”, such as the excessively holy woman that Charles the Second burned at the stake.

In order for society to have cooperate/cooperate equilibrium, the science, industry, and technology that we see promoted by the corporate form, in order to promote cooperation with cooperators, the sovereign must promote defection on defectors. One such defector being a holy woman conspicuously holier than Charles the Second. Charles the second successfully redirected status competition from unproductive channels into productive channels, as for example members of the Royal Society gaining status by discovering truth and speaking truth, while previously puritans had gained power and status by having a Christianity that was purer than the other man’s Christianity. You will notice that Putin dealt with Pussy Riot’s weaponized supererogatory holiness preaching in a way that deliberately maximized disorder – maximized outgroup disorder in order to sustain ingroup order. That is the way to do it.

The restoration created a society that had the greatest cooperate/cooperate equilibrium ever, where people were able to engage in positive sum cooperation, which was made possible by severely negative sum uncooperation – you cannot get more negative sum than burning an excessively holy woman at the stake. If Charles the Second had not burned a holy woman at the stake for excessive, conspicuous, and obnoxiously superior holiness, he would have had the William Wilberforce problem.

Humans are inherently tribal. We have ethnicities and religions, all of which are in substantial part the same phenomenon. A millet is a smaller tribe (religion) within the empire that the empire recognizes and grants some limited self rule and autonomy.

Two tribes cannot co-exist in overlapping territory, except they create little zones for themselves, for example the black table in school cafe. One tribe will always rule, and another will always be ruled. Segregation and Jim Crow was an effort to give blacks autonomy and self rule, make them into a millet, conditional on the black rulers assimilating to white middle class values and behavior. Integration proved to be black dominion. When the blacks were allowed to the front of the bus, they inevitably wound up forcing white people off the buses.

This tribalism is the problem with libertarianism – if you allow liberty, people will use it to synthesize smaller ingroups within the larger group in order to dominate the detribalized majority. William Wilberforce and his “elect” destroyed what the restoration had accomplished, undermining the small scale cooperation between men and women to have children, and the cooperation between elites and individual members of the elite to maintain an empire that kept large scale economic cooperation over the oceans. His successors transliterated the religion of the elect from the next world to this world, creating modern progressivism. Since the transliterated tenets, such as equality, are transparently false to this world, this required them to reject truth telling and truth speaking, resulting in peer review and the replication crisis that has destroyed science.

The earthly telos of holiness is to promote the broadest possible cooperate/cooperate equilibrium. Holiness competition results in people finding grounds to declare other people unholy, thus Starbucks and LucasFilms declare their customers unholy, thus holiness competition destroys the earthly telos of holiness. Therefore we cannot allow excessively holy people to gain power in the state religion. Instead, need to send Social Justice Warriors away from the universities off to a hermitage in a remote island and honor their superior holiness from a safe distance. If someone wants to demonstrate superior holiness, it should be costly for himself, rather profitable for himself, and costly for everyone around him. Superior holiness and performing superogatory acts has to be made unprofitable.

Jim, Jim's Blog 7 Comments [7/17/2018 6:30:26 AM]
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