Phosphate has 4 oxygen atoms bound to a central phosphorus atom, and is present in all living cells. When two phosphates combine and lose a water molecule, they form pyrophosphate.
But they still are not sure, why ? The answer can only come from the creator.
Here are the points that correlate with the creator whom they fail to acknowledge:
" Phosphate has 4 oxygen atoms bound to a central phosphorus atom "
The Correlations:
Since Oxygen is Invisible to the human eye, it Correlates to Yahweh who is SPIRIT and the Source of all things, organic and inorganic.
In that there are 4 Oxygen Atoms, they correlate to the 4 letters forming the name Yahweh ( Y H W H / Y H V H )
So these 4 is centered around the one God of the Universe, Yahweh.
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The poster is trying to make a religious argument/analogy over the bonding configuration of the Phosphate molecule, in that the molecule apparently forms a tetrahedral structure...(Of course, the poster fails to mention that other chemical compounds share similar molecular configurations, such as for example, Tetrachoromethane (Carbon Tetrachoride)...) .
They do know why. They figured it out by the nineteenth Century, and had no doubt left by 1930.
(also the examples are all wrong!)
Oh lovely, a 9 year old fundy idiot found a chemistry book. Look kid, the fact that all atoms are invisible to the naked eye only correlates to the simple fact that they are what we call "very, very, small". Try not to be a fucking moron and read a whole bunch of other bullshit into the facts.
If you use of 4 of our 26 letters just on oxygen, you're not going to be able to spell anything goddish with the rest of the periodic table. Didn't think of that, now, did ya?
...did you just suggest that your god is an atom? An atom that, for the record, is incapable of thought, feeling, or even basic self-awareness? Isn't that a bit like worshipping your table? I don't know about you, but I wouldn't trust my table with choosing what I should have for dinner tonight, let alone controlling the whole universe.
@the dog: You're wrong. Biblical Hebrew doesn't have symbols for short vowels; only the consonants and long vowels are written. Thus, the Biblical Hebrew for the name of the Jewish god, transliterated into the Latin alphabet, would be YHWH or YHVH, depending on whether you're using the Modern Hebrew or reconstructed Biblical Hebrew phoneme for waw/vav. This, incidentally, is why the same name is pronounced by various Christians (Jews, as a rule, do not pronounce it at all) as Yahweh or Jehovah (note that the "J" in "Jehovah" originally was pronounced as an English "Y" but shifted as spelling patterns did).
Why phosphate, which is inorganic? Why not a possibly more abundant organic compound, methane (CH4)? Wait, never mind.
Water has two hydrogen atoms bound to an oxygen atom. This clearly shows that god was thinking about testicles when he created water.
Since Oxygen is Invisible to the human eye, it Correlates to Yahweh who is SPIRIT and the Source of all things, organic and inorganic.
So your god is microscopic?
In that there are 4 Oxygen Atoms, they correlate to the 4 letters forming the name Yahweh ( Y H W H / Y H V H )
You can correlate them to any arbitrary letters you like but it's meaningless unless you can establish a link, in fact, let me do what you just did: let's see, four the oxygen atoms correlate to F, U, C, and K and the phosphate correlates to U, altogether it spells FUCK U. Hey, this is fun!
What this fundie fails to realize is that the Ford automobile is also the fundamental proof of the creator...
Roll with me on this...
FORD, 4 letters, corresponds to the name Yahweh ( Y H W H / Y H V H )
A Ford has FOUR Tires! ( Y H W H / Y H V H ) Again!
Many Fords have FOUR cylinders! ( Y H W H / Y H V H ) AGAIN!
Those Four tired, four cylinder FORD cars also usually have FOUR Cup holders! They are sold in Buildings that often have FOUR WALLS! They are driven by families that average FOUR MEMBERS and a dog, with FOUR LEGS!!!!
Clearly this is absolute proof of ( Y H W H / Y H V H ), for no one else could be responsible for this pattern!
Hank Ford... (ZOMG, Y H W H / Y H V H DOUBLE-DIP!) Must have been a prophet touched by the one true god!!!
Or, Juice002 was nuts and pulling things out of his ass... We may never know.
Or it correlates to the four elephants standing on the back of A'Tuin, carrying the world through space.
And what's the significance with phospate, again? YHWH is only three letters, one of which is repeated.
You're conveniently leaving out that phosphate ions have to have hydrogen in order to lose water to make pyrophosphate. Where do those fit into your little cryptogram?
Oh, and we know why this happens. It's called chemistry.
You know... water, which covers 72% of the earth's surface, consists of two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen.
I have two arms and one head.
That is conclusive proof that I am God. QED.
*rude dismissal*, *mildly offensive invective*.
[insert old, unfunny meme here]
"No one knows why, therefore God."
Stupid. And it makes your God look rather pathetic and not very mighty, as he seems to be nothing but a placeholder until the knowledge gap is filled by something more substantial.
Wait, is this what you learn in chemistry class at Oral Roberts University?
"But they still are not sure, why ? The answer can only come from the creator."
Argument from ignorance fail.
Please Juice002, can we have more of your important scientific explanations for the supernatural, particularly in the field of invisio-deitetic-ghostiepoos. Hint, I am desperate for a scientific explanation for Heaven and Hell in order to convince some atheists that I know to become supernaturalists.
Really, I don't know how to thank you enough, Juice002. Without the diligent research and the heroic striving for knowledge which you then proceed to translate into a clear and concise language, such that even we ordinary laymen can understand the difficult concepts involved in Godetics, we would be left with common beliefs.
Juice002, you are performing a valuable service for these modern times, by supplying the scientific evidences that back-up the beliefs which are so inadequate on their own.
It's a tetrahedron, like a pyramid with a triangular base instead of a square, so it has four planes. It's quite common. Methane, CH4, and and ammonia, NH4 are also tetrahedrons. The four outer atoms are as far as they can be from each other around the central atom. Tetragonal mineral crystals are very pretty, but worthless for proving God exists.
"Since Oxygen is Invisible to the human eye, it Correlates to Yahweh who is SPIRIT and the Source of all things, organic and inorganic."
You know what else is invisible to the naked eye? Methane, and it smells like YOU'RE FULL OF SHIT!
YHWH in its original Hebrew has only 2 characters, so how is this even relevant? Your molecule is Boron, because it rhymes with "MORON!"
I do acknowledge the point on your head by the way.
Oh pleeze! I can do better then this.
Carbon can form multiple molecules.
As is said in the bible, the road to damnation is wide.
Many of those those molecules are long chains.
And aren't we bound by "chains" of sin?
And Carbon is black just like Satan and Obama!
Our bodies and all living things are made of carbon!
Ergo, we should worship Satan since he obviously created us.
Good day sir!
@Booley:
That was awesome!
So the fundies' idiot god said "Gee, let's see - how can I proclaim my glory to the human race? - Well, I can appear on the Six O'Clock News and proclaim I'm going to exterminate Plasmodium falciparum and render malaria a thing of the past. But that would be too simple. Let's see ... OK, I could diddle with the atomic structure of the entire universe, change the speed of light and fiddle with the de Broglie wavelength of electrons so that one particular element, carbon, happens to form a structure that has the same number of bonds as the number of letters with which the ancient Jews happened spell my name in Hebrew. Hmmm ... tough choice ... am I maybe being too subtle here? I mean, I don't want to give them too much evidence of my existence - heaven would get too crowded, and I'd miss all the fun of sending those people who missed the hint to hell. But would all those fundamentalist Baptist Walmart clerks in Kentucky get it? I wouldn't want them to miss out while all those college-edjumacated latte-sipping, Volvo-driving, NPR-contributing Yankee liberals make the connection. Boy - tough choice!"
Excellent explaination of everything. It reminds me of the explaination of Irenaeous in explaining why there should be exactly four gospels, no more and no less. (even though most of the churches of the time ....about the year 185 or so.....used less than 4 gospels, even though there were indeed many more than four gospels. He reasoned that because there were four corners of the earth, and four winds, likewise, there should be four gospels. Perfectly reasonable to me!!!! How could any xian doubth this brilliant logic???? (oh noes....dont bring up 4 corners of the earth, that makes it seem like the learned church fathers thought the world was flat).
"Phosphate has 4 oxygen atoms bound to a central phosphorus atom, and is present in all living cells. When two phosphates combine and lose a water molecule, they form pyrophosphate.
But they still are not sure, why ? The answer can only come from the creator. "
Really? Gee, I always thought it had to do with electrons. And, y'know, chemistry.
Let me tell you something that I think you should know. Yesterday, I smoked a huge fucking blunt of some damn good weed, some of the strongest I've ever smoked. I was higher than I have ever been in my fucking life . I actually (This is not a joke, I am completely serious) called the fucking ambulance because I started freaking out and thinking I was going to die, I was that fucking blazed.
And yet I was still more coherent and able to form sensible thoughts than you.
1. Because if it doesn't lose water then H3PO4 cannot bind to another H3PO4. Its called the rules of chemistry.
2. Oxygen is "not invisible to science".
3. Also your god is phosphorous?
All life on earth is carbon-based. A stable carbon molecule has 6 protons, 6 neutrons, and 6 electrons. The devil is signified by the number 666, thus proving that all life on this planet was created by Satan.
@breakerslion: Methane is odorless, and YHWH is four characters in the original Hebrew, so, in short, you just should talk when you have no clue what the fuck you're talking about.
Gas is invisible, therefore God.
Ho hum. Different day, same pathetic crap.
Adenosine phosphates are in DNA and RNA while phosphates act as buffer agents in animal cells. Not to mention high energy phosphate.
I am disappointed they didn't get a hard on about a phosphate ion having a charge of 3- like the holy trinity.
So, the four phosphate atoms around the phosphorus atom in the middle corresponds to the four letters in YHWH? So, God is centered around some phosphorus atom, he's not the center himself? And if two Gods meet they lose water? Wait, what?
Does anyone else realize that phosphate is PO4 and water is H2O, therefore two Phosphates have a combined total of 2 phosphorus molecules, eight oxygen and 0 HYDROGEN! They can't lose a water molecule. Get your chemistry right! I won't even acknowledge the rest of this, it isn't worth trying to think about intelligently.
In that there are 4 Oxygen Atoms, they correlate to the 4 letters forming the name Zeus ( Z E U S )
So these 4 is centered around the one God of the Universe, Zeus.
Throughout my entire life, I have never had to post a picture of a complete lack of understanding. http://funny-pictures-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/explain-this-bullshit.jpg
"Phosphate has 4 oxygen atoms bound to a central phosphorus atom" tl;dr...
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And not even after copious amounts of the chocolate parfait atom, would Chiaki Kurihara (l) be assuaged in considering your statement as illogical , Juice (IQ)002 (In the anime series "Moretsu Pirates", Marika Kato [r] is the 'Kirk' to Chiaki's 'Spock'; Chocolate Parfaits bring out the latter's 'human' side - especially her 'Parfaitgasms'! - otherwise, she's cool, intelligent, and [somewhat] unemotional, but she is also the textbook 'Tsundere'. Thus the 'Slash'-esque shipping by some anime fans, of MarikaxChiaki ).
I think you may be mixing your metaphors a little here. And I'm not talking about your 'demonstrating' of phosphate being analogous to Yahweh.
I mean you've managed to combine 'Taking a leap of faith' and 'Jumping to conclusions'. A not-quite-quantum leap, both literally and metaphorically - and therefore fittingly.
I love how "yahweh" didn't even start having four letters until it became necessary for your argument.
Your argument which sucks, just so we're clear.
Before someone points it out, I meant "four letters" as she wrote it ("YHWH" vs. "yahweh")
If you're going to make an argument based on a concept, why not use that concept consistently throughout the argument?
Also, desoxyribose, which is a component of DNA, is a pentose (a pentagonal ring consisting of one oxygen and four carbon atoms). What does five letters mean? That's right, S A T A N .
The cackling, sneering, co-conspiring felon gangster parroting puppet officers of the Island Federal Bank, the two car garage bank on High Street, the tiny building is still extant, gave me the worst n*gg*rly; namely "69" begin and end with death extermination, namely "20", two zeroes, because I am a "one niner", highest and worst stratification, awaiting extermination, namely "19", or the letter "S" the nineteenth letter in the alphabet, THE WORST DEADLY BANK ACCOUNT NUMBER IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE, namely account number "S2069", when this gangster government subsidized bank did not have near 500 depositors. These are enlightening keys to the Computer God Worldwide Top Secret Number Code which stratifies everything, not only the 4 billion living people. The Computer God adopted it for speed and clarity. This said number code is the means to make possible the Computer God Worldwide Containment Policy for stratification. In a few months my investments made me minimum wage for 1968 with great insight into the stock market from my many tiny investments each brokerage office had foyers between double doors and had then installed vertical Venetian blinds or solid panel walls to cover their front windows. They were all darkened like movie theaters. I could see assassins hiding and lurking behind newly added partitions and filing cabinets. I dared not go into any brokerage office. Months went by. One day going shopping I passed my brokerage office, only an unlicensed employee was present it was two minutes before the market closed for the day. I ran in and ordered him to call his main New York office on the direct wire to sell my airline stock at market, as I handed in the stock I always carried for the impossible opening. In a few seconds my airline stock was sold for the biggest profit of almost 500 dollars that I had made. The next morning that airline stock went up about a point and began dropping fast. Since that day it is worth at tops one third my purchase price. Thereafter groups of assassins ready to barge out after me in the foyer lurked in all stock brokerage offices. I did not dare to even watch the tickertape from the sidewalk. I went into hibernation, waiting for the Computer God efforts to murder me in the brokerage offices to relax. Early in 1969, secretly, the Computer God controlled and manipulated gangster government issued a warrant for my immediate arrest and incarceration in a maximum security insanity prison to be cured forever before I could go before any parroting puppet hangman rope gangster judge to give testimony.
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