Quote# 101979

["You are clearly VERY pro-life. And I want to ask you a question because I am not. I got my period when I was 10, had I been raped I would have gotten pregnant. Would you have wanted me to have a baby when I was in 5TH GRADE?"]

Absolutely. There is never a good enough reason to intentionally kill an innocent living human being. You find this belief disturbing because you were born into a culture that accepts the killing of our unborn children for any reason at all. So it seems strange to you that I would want you to protect your unborn child, even at ten years old, instead of slaughtering him or her.

Someday, the opposite will be true. People like you will be revolted at the idea that someone would want even a ten year old mother to kill her unborn child. You can help me make this future a reality. Simply accept what we already know - that human life begins at conception. Now, simply advocate for equal rights for all human beings. Your views should now align with mine.

cultureshift, In Defense of the Defenseless 26 Comments [8/2/2014 4:05:23 AM]
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Skyknight

Has Cultureshift said anything about abortion when it's the only way to save the mother's life, and there's no way the child will survive? Because 10-year-old pregnancy sounds like a VERY fast route to that debacle.

8/2/2014 4:54:33 AM


8/2/2014 5:21:49 AM

Ebon

Gods, this piece of shit just gets more disgusting with each post.

8/2/2014 5:41:13 AM

Sangfroid

Shifty, your god loves to kill kids. He does it constantly and in great numbers. Indeed, one of the signs of the outbreak of a virulent disease is when infants and children start dying. But hey, god did it, so what?

You really are loathsome, you know that?

8/2/2014 5:59:01 AM

Arctic Knight

"human life begins at conception."

If that's the case, then what about parasitic twins? If human life begins at conception, then removing a parasitic twin from its host would be murder. Do these people really believe that someone should live his/her life with an underdeveloped partial body protruding from their own?

However, if removing a parasitic twin from its host is not murder, then life does not begin at conception and abortion is not murder. They can't have it both ways.

8/2/2014 6:23:45 AM

LDM

@Skynight-

No, of course not, that would mean a compromise of his/her position, and we can't have that now, can we?


8/2/2014 8:06:44 AM

Goomy pls

The pregnancy would most likely kill the mother as well as the fetus, and there is no reason to kill a living being for no reason, right?

In any event, you should just go die.

8/2/2014 8:16:13 AM

Swede

Why don't you want to protect the life of a ten-year-old child? The body of a child of that age can't handle a pregnancy; she will probably die, and take the unborn child with her.

Someday, the opposite WAS true. People WERE revolted at the idea that women had rights of their own, that their lives were important, and so children and women died in child-birth along with their unborn children, and newborns were drowned or left at doorsteps of churches or hospitals. We have progressed AWAY from that!

The POTENTIAL of a life starts at conception, dumbass. Something like 50 to maybe 85 percent of all fertilized eggs are flushed out in early miscarriages, before the woman even knows she's pregnant. Should all women hold a funeral by the toilet each month, just in case a "child was slaughtered"?

A human being is a sentient, living breathing person, with a birth day and a belly button. And yes, they should all have equal rights, even the ones with wombs!

No, it's your views that should align with ours, you misogynistic asshole!

8/2/2014 8:51:46 AM

freako104

Proof cultureshift is pro fetus but anti woman. And since in this case girl was 10 I'll add in anti child. So much for pro life. Goddamn bastard

8/2/2014 9:11:14 AM

KittyKaboom

A ten year old can't give birth without being ripped apart because her hips are too small and will not open wide enough.

You're a monster. There is no other word to describe you.

8/2/2014 9:25:46 AM

Evgir Unslaad

"Life begins at conception," huh? Let's check the biological definition, to be scientific. Although there's no consensus on what exactly life is, the best definition is descriptive. To be alive, something must have these five characteristics:

-with an organized structure performing a specific function - cell membranes, nuclei, DNA, and so on and so forth all exist in a newly-formed zygote. This one's a yes.
-with an ability to sustain existence, e.g. by nourishment - technically, yes, but it must be fed by the mother. This one's borderline.
-with an ability to respond to stimuli or to its environment - as far as I know, a newly-formed zygote doesn't do this at all. No.
-capable of adapting - maybe to a very minor extent, but a zygote can only survive in the womb or in an artificial situation very similar to a womb. This one is inapplicable, since it spans generations, and we're talking about an individual zygote. I thought about cell differentiation, but that's not "adapting" as meant by this characteristic.
-with an ability to germinate or reproduce - well, the zygote does divide like hell to form the blastocyst, but, except in cases of identical twins, it doesn't create more zygotes. This one is borderline, but edging towards "no."

So there you have it. By a strict biological definition, a newly-conceived zygote is not alive.

8/2/2014 9:32:14 AM

Anon-e-moose

"There is never a good enough reason to intentionally kill an innocent living human being."

Hosea 13:16. What had those innocent Samaritan unborn done to God personally, and then, at that time, to warrant their terminations?

WWII. The Holocaust. Pregnant women murdered by the SS. 'I was only obeying orders'. Can you say 'War Crimes', cultureshit? I know you can.

Those ordered by God to murder innocent unborns were only following such, too.

Thank you cultureshit, for admitting that your 'God' = Hitler.

'I was only obeying orders'. The Nazis' reason for what they did. According to them, a 'good' one. There is never a good enough reason to commit War Crimes, least of all on unarmed non-combatants. The unborn certainly fall into that category. The one ultimately responsible for those orders given to the SS: Hitler.

Your 'God' therefore = Hitler.

So what was his 'good enough reason' then, o cultureshit & all your right-wing Fundamentalist Christain ilk? Because your very right to think the way you do in general rests on your answer to that question, and not just the so-called 'Pro-Life' cause's right to exist, for that matter.

Our 'good reason'? Roe vs. Wade. Also Romans 13:1-5.

Enjoy your paradox, cultureshit. After all, if your 'God' has more than a 'good reason' for his War Crimes, then the very fact he's authorised legislation - via his own 'Word', Scripture - which makes abortion legal, then you 'Pro-Lifers' have even less of an 'argument', never mind the right of their 'cause' to exist.

Also, just two words that further annihilates both your 'argument', and your 'cause's right to exist: Pro-Life. Pro-Gun.

Moral (*Irony shielding at full power*): Dr. Hannibal Lecter's 'good enough reason' for what he does? Because your 'God' clearly enjoys killing; and we are made in his image - thought processes/personality/neuropsychology etc - therefore...! [/"Hannibal"]

8/2/2014 9:50:21 AM

nazani14

Every pre-teen should have a fistula!

8/2/2014 10:13:44 AM

DJ

"Why don't you want to protect the life of a ten-year-old child? The body of a child of that age can't handle a pregnancy; she will probably die, and take the unborn child with her."

@ Swede

It's the "probably die" part of this reality that people like cultureshift grab ahold of with all their might and refuse to let go of. There have been a few cases where very young girls have given birth (through C-section) and lived, so in their minds that automatically means the fact that it's far more likely that the girl will instead be injured or killed still isn't a justifiable reason to have the abortion.

I've even read the rantings of people who don't think abortion in the case of ectopic pregnancies should be allowed because there's a (literal) one-in-several-million chance of the mother and baby surviving*.

Basically, to these people, if any woman, anywhere, at any point in time has ever survived the condition, then abortion isn't justified for that condition.

* Sometimes these people don't even care if both the woman and the child survive- as long as one survives then it's "allowing God's will".

8/2/2014 10:23:49 AM

creativerealms

Shifty is scary. He's a one man PETA for fetuses.

8/2/2014 10:28:35 AM

creativerealms

People Shifty is non religious possibly even an Atheist so the God comments don't apply here.

8/2/2014 10:29:50 AM

Swede

@DJ
Yeah, I know. Wasn't there a woman in India, about a year ago, who was refused a life-saving abortion after septicemia or something? She died, and the fetus inside her was already dead; that's what caused the septicemia. Pro-life, indeed! Or rather, anti-woman.

Back to shitcult. If it's SOOOO important to protect the life of an unborn, isn't it just as important to protect that unborn's right to a father? Maybe all men ought to be forced to give a sperm sample, shortly before puberty, so that every unborn child's father can be determined, even in cases of rape. (If all women and children are to be forced to carry embryos to term, even if it will kill them, it's just fair, isn't it?) Let's start with shitcult! And, maybe we ought to protect the lives of all those unfertilized sperm he's carrying, so that none of those children are slaughtered. We'll just dump all the kids on his doorstep after the surrogate mothers have produced them, shall we?
(Heavy sarcasm; most men are decent and pro-human-rights, and certainly don't deserve this kind of treatment, and it's a horrible use of surrogate mothers.)

8/2/2014 1:10:55 PM

Ibuki Mioda



Whaaaaaaaaaaaaa? Is Shifty-chan for real?

A ten-year-old would probably die if they tried to give birth! How could Shifty-chan think that's okay? It's not okay! It's totally sick!

Ibuki doesn't know why Shifty-chan's so obsessed with the whole pro-life movement, but she thinks it's really creepy. He doesn't seem to care about women or kids at all. He only wants to make sure that he can keep control over women's bodies because he believes himself to be more moral than other people, when the opposite is actually true.

8/2/2014 3:52:08 PM

Goomy pls

@Moose-sama

I 'ate to break it to ye, but cultyshit is an atheist.

@Swede

Savita Halappanavar. She was in Ireland, and it was almost 2 years ago.

8/2/2014 5:49:54 PM

KittyKaboom

Ibuki: You are full metal adorable. Just sayin'.

8/2/2014 6:24:59 PM

checkmate

Someday, the opposite will be true.

Someday, unicorns will graze on the White House lawn.

8/2/2014 7:22:44 PM

Deep Search

Yeah, because this is totally great:


If one isn't revolted by the idea of a ten year old mother, then I don't even know what to say. This isn't the stone age. We understand how reproduction works and we value and protect children.

But this shit... Forget about a child being raped. Forget about a child being given no option but to carry a goddamn pregnancy to term and birth a fucking baby. The only thing that matters is that embryo! Any human life that isn't embedded in a female's body is irrelevant.

8/2/2014 8:41:56 PM

anothga

Absolutely.
This is when I stopped reading. Yes, at first word. I don't care what more cultureshit has to say. Approving of a 10-year old girl's sure death simply because she got pregnant because of rape is something only a monster would do. And even if she somehow survives, her life is completely ruined. Still, something only a monster would approve of.

8/3/2014 2:19:14 AM

SpukiKitty

To the OP....

First...


And second...


Thank you.

8/3/2014 6:53:00 AM

Mech610

"Your views should now align with mine."

I don't think you really understand how debating or winning someone over to your side works. You can't just make a weak argument that's been debunked a thousand times and then will your opponent into agreeing with you. People are not computers, there is no 'sudo' command here.

8/3/2014 4:34:14 PM

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