["how about you publish some of the horror stories caused by the tragedy of illegal abortion?"]
This would be no different than publishing horror stories caused by the tragedy of illegal rape. Trying to justify the legality of an act of inhumanity on the basis that those who commit those acts may get hurt in the process is hardly compelling.
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Like we didn't know already that cultureshift is a horrible sick person who thinks that life only matters if it's that of a fetus, and not born, living humans of any age.
Seriously, I hope a Xenomorph implants you with one of it's embryo's. Let see if you'll think that larvae's life is more important than your own.
I understand what he's getting at. He's saying that legalizing abortion is like legalizing rape and no sane man would allow the former.
This is one of those times where I could almost agree with shifty but then I remember the the issue of abortion is not as simple as PETZ makes it out to be.
Note: PETZ stands for people for the Ethical treatment of Zygotes.
@anothga:
But... wouldn't those stories be a good incentive to not do abortions at all?
They don't want to admit that if abortion is outlawed then women would be forced to get dangerous, illegal abortions. They have a hard enough time trying to shed the image of hating women as it is.
I'm sorry,,,, what county is this from?
Abortions are illegal there?
Legal rape is a thing there?
Deliverance county?
A religious commune?
"Illegal rape?" Since when was rape legalized and by whom?
As for the abortion argument, if a woman is going to abort, it would be far better if it wasn't from self-abuse.
Equating a fetus to a fully developed human being part #989823487498. Listen, I have a baby of my own and I love her. However, to say that she was the equal of my wife or other kids when she resembled plankton more than a human is ridiculous. If there was an ectopic pregnancy or some severe complication I'll choose the life of the person who's already fully developed 10 times out of 10.
"Trying to justify the legality of an act of inhumanity on the basis that those who commit those acts may get hurt in the process is hardly compelling."
Of couuuuurse not.
Because - via the original horrorstory that is Hosea 13:16 - your own 'belie fs' & the basis of such would suffer eternal torture, a la the Cenobites in the "Hellraiser" films & what they do to their victims.
'No tears, please. It's a waste of good suffering ! '
-Pinhead (Doug Bradley), "Hellraiser"
@ Old Viking:
I tried, but all that freetranslation.com came up with was:
It would be nothing other than the publication of horror stories about the tragedy of rape illegal. Try to justify the legality of an act of cruelty on the basis that those who are victims of such acts can damage little convincing.
Of course, what Cultureshift misses is that studies have shown that making abortion illegal has no statistically significant impact on abortion rates, but does lead to more women dying from it. So to save 1 life in 1000 (if we're being generous), she's willing to make women suffer, 80%+ of which are mothers who already have one or more children.
Of course, there are far more effective ways to reduce abortion, basically eliminating its need:
*Universal, age-appropriate, comprehensive sex education throughout school life.
*Universal availability of effective and affordable contraception and/or hormonal birth control.
*Universal availability of affordable, comprehensive health care that is free at the point of access.
*Universal minimum wage at or above a living wage.
*Universal right to flexible working and/or significant maternity leave.
Best estimates put these items as reducing abortion by as much as 90%, so if a person really is of the opinion that abortion is wrong, they will be fighting for these things as their first port of call.
@Old Viking - Basically, he said it doesn't matter if women die while getting illegal abortions because abortion is still wrong, and compared abortion to rape.
@christian leftie - cultureshift is either in denial about these facts, or doesn't care. He thinks women who die during abortion get what they deserve.
@christian_leftie & Wykked Wytch
Thing is, cultureshift is such an insane & immoral sadist he'd rather have both the mother and the baby die during complications instead of having a abortion done which allows at least one of them to live.
#1732539:
Sadly, I do believe you are correct.
@pyro :
Hey now, no need for name-calling. We can't all be expected to keep track of which nutters belong to which groups, unless it's specifically insinuated in the posted comment. Not all of us keep meticulous databases (mental or actual) of every person we hear about, you know.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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