(On the topic of cloning a woolly mammoth from a recently discovered preserved carcass)
Clearly the omnipotent God in Heaven wanted these animals made extinct. We humans can't always understand His plan, but there is one and I suspect it was done to make room for Christian settlers coming to North America from Western Europe and to Siberia from Eastern Europe. We have no business interfering.
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"Clearly the omnipotent God in Heaven wanted these animals made extinct."
...and clearly messrs. Watson & Crick wanted more than just DNA to be discovered. Can you cay 'Cloning', oz?
Let us know when you get an extremely debilitating & infinitely painful illness that could be cured using your own Stem Cells. Because of course, we have no business interfering.
Even the Conservative David Cameron voted for Stem Cell research (along with not reducing the time on abortion) the last time the matter was debated & (free ) voted on in Parliament. The potential billions, if not trillions that could be made.
His omniscient ass should have seen this coming, then. Not our fault the all-knowing, all-powerful one couldn't properly dispose of the bodies over the course of the last few million years or prevent us from bringing the things back.
You'd be much better off taking credit for it than trying to dis credit it. You'll have far more success with a "such is the power of god's greatest creation that they can bring a species back from total extinction" approach than a "we're interfering with god's plan" approach. The former will play to people's pride. The latter simply paints your god as an incompetent oaf whose divine plan can be disrupted by any scientist with proper funding & knowledge and a modicum of ambition.
Wow.
"We humans can't always understand His plan"
What a fucking cop-out. And you expect us to take you and your pathetic "faith" seriously.
"...but there is one and I suspect it was done to make room for Christian settlers coming to North America from Western Europe and to Siberia from Eastern Europe."
I'm almost tempted to say we should move this to RSTDT. So did God - in all his so-called "omniscience" - not notice the Native Americans and Native Siberians (related peoples, in fact) already living in the Americas and Siberia, respectively? Or did he foresee the Spanish sacking most of the Western Hemisphere and the Russians conquering the Far East and think "well, I gotta get rid of those hairy-ass elephants so those good, clean Republican white folk can settle these parts"? And did it occur to you that those brown people (who you apparently think came to Siberia and the Americas AFTER Europeans) were the ones who wiped the mammoths out? Wait, no, that's just Satanic propaganda! Humans can't do anything - because God does everything! Everything!
Please go back to school, beginning with Kindergarten and then working your way back up. or move into a cave and never touch a keyboard again.
"Let us build our church here on this perfect spot"
"Can't"
"Why not ?"
"Fucking great Mammoth in the way"
"Damn! Oh well, onwards my people"
NEOLITHIC PREHISTORIC CAVE-CHRISTIANS?!
Uh...the Sunday newspaper comic, "BC", was not a documentary.
I doubt they were worshiping a guy who belonged to a monotheistic religion that would be in the far-future. These folks would be Proto-Pagan Animists who believed in nature spirits, animal totems or whatever.
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little city-state? I’ll have you know I rank up with Augustus Caesar in points, and I’ve beaten deity with Denmark, and I have over 300 confirmed domination victories. I am trained in wonderwhoring l and I have the most points of the entire world congress. You are nothing to me but just a puppet state. I will wipe you the fuck out with landsknecht spam the likes of which has never been seen before on Pangaea, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with embargoing me in the world congress? Think again, settler. As we speak I am gathering intelligence from my secret network of spies across your cities and I can see into your pathetic yields right now so you better prepare for the storm, vermin. The nuclear firestorm that wipes out the pathetic little things you call your cities. You’re fucking dead, heathen. I can settle anywhere, anytime, and I can annex you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with naval units. Not only are my units extensively trained in Drill 3, but I have access to the entire autocracy policy tree and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable towns off the face of the continent, you little vassal. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little denunciation was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have offered a declaration of friendship. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you warlord level worm. I will rain XCOM squads all over you and you will drown in them. You’re fucking conquered, plebian.
And if we manage to do it, nevertheless, doesn't that mean your god simply does not give a fuck or just doesn't exist?
"We humans can't always understand His Plan?" Seriously? Nothing could be simpler.
The mammoths were discontinued because they got horrible gas mileage. They were carbureted , not fuel injected. On top of that, their starter motors were full of sin. Back in their day, oil was just lying around on the surface since it hadn't been buried yet by Noah's flood. Since oil floats, that had to be a miracle. Anyway, the wooly mammoths had to go to make room for the wooly sheep that handled much better on the curves and were a lot easier to reach when you wanted to cut some wool. If it hadn't been for the sheep, man would never have invented the knife. That was because it was hard to eat mutton with a mouth full of wool. It wasn't long after that when someone noticed you could substitute a ram's horn for an artificial fart under the armpit to make a joyful noise unto the LORD. The fledgling instrument was called a shofar. God's children used it to drive enemies before them, among other things. A shofar-driven mammoth would have been an impossibility, thanks to the Teamsters Union.
So you see, it all makes sense - except for the Mets' trade of Tom Seaver to the Reds on June 15, 1977. Even God can't explain that one.
@Insult to Rocks
And stegodons.
So let me get it straight. If we trying to bring back an extinct species, grow organs for transplants, or genetically modify crops to survive in the harshest environments, that's interfering with God's plan but if we fill a brain dead person with tubes and artificially keep them alive that's not? What color is the sky in your world?
So we shouldn't clone a wholly mammoth because it would piss da lawd off?
Fuck that shit!
I want a herd of these big boys wandering Wyoming and I want them stat! How you like them apples, big daddy?
This is the sort of foolishness you get when you believe that the natural world is shaped by purpose, in this case, the purpose of a god. Surprisingly, atheist evolutionists have a similar problem. How many times have I seen amateur evolutionists on the internet formally deny that there is purpose or design in Life yet go on to talk about the design and purpose of organs etc.? That's the folly of double talking intellectual dishonesty, of course. The Christian in contrast is just plain wrong, honestly so.
@Antbrain
"How many times have I seen amateur evolutionists on the internet formally deny that there is purpose or design in Life yet go on to talk about the design and purpose of organs etc.?"
Earlobes. Question: What purpose do they serve?
Not taking into account Kitzmiller vs. Dover , and how the Cre(a)ti(o)nists' Michael Behe was the best ass et for we Atheists ('Cdesign Proponentsists'), I've just destroyed (un)'Intelligent Design' - and therefore your 'God' - with just one word.
to make room for Christian settlers coming to North America from Western Europe
Hmm, maybe that’s what happened to the Roanoke colony, they found the last existing mammoths and were killed by them.
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