The problem with the FSM, Leprechaun, and Odin questions is that they all start with an incorrect premise. They equate these imaginary and fictional characters to a real historical being. This is a mistake in logic and reason. This is why atheists often find themselves running in circles trying to figure out why their ‘argument’ is silly.
The reality of God is already established as a matter of the historical record. To believe God isn’t real, requires them to disprove the already established facts about God—which all of them admit they can’t do.
Because they can’t do it, their entire belief that God isn’t real – even though God has already been established as real – is based on blind faith—a belief (opinion) but not facts and evidence.
This is why it takes great faith to be an atheist.
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The reality of God is already established as a matter of the historical record
Nonsense. If that were true, there wouldn't be thousands of different religions all claiming something different.
Here's where you're wrong. Atheists don't "believe god isn't real." That would be a belief in itself.
Atheists say, "I DON'T believe because there is no proof." To not believe because there is no proof is not the same as believing. It's a simple concept. Try it sometime.
Finally! Surely now, someone's gonna relent and take pity on us poor atheists. At long last! The day has come and we are to be given the secret compelling evidence of Bible God. A last we are to know why it is so important to tell lies when you are a Christian. At last we are to find out why it's so important to be a representative of humanity's dark side when you are a Christian. At last, a good reason for all that pointless waffle and insistent stupidity. Sounds like good news to me. A great day dawns for all atheists...eh, possibly.
Atheists are not the ones running in circles, dearie.
Atheism takes lack of belief in all gods, goddesses and other deities, only.
It would be futile to suggest that the idea of a God has no more hold over people's minds than the FSM or Leprechauns. Nobody, as far as I know, has been martyred or has killed for the sake of the FSM or Leprechauns. That is still a great way from saying that your god, and only your god, is real, particularly when the historical record is far from unassailable.
Who told you that god was real? Who told you that was an established fact? What proof do you have that that person was telling you the truth? (Or to bring in Ken Ham's argument, "Were you there?")
Your entire belief is "...based on blind faith
a belief (opinion) but not facts and evidence."
Really?
Who created Leprechauns, Odin and the FSM? Who created all the Gods that preceded the Torah and Bible?
You don't know, you weren't there, so you MUST accept the accounts that say they are real.
That's your argument for your God. PERIOD. That's why the FSM, it perfectly fits the perimeters of the puddle of faith you lot have claimed. As does anything ever imagined. The premises are entirely valid BECAUSE you DON'T have ANY historical backup.
As someone with an actual degree in ancient history, and from a reputable institute no less (the University of Edinburgh), I think I am qualified to say that the notion of God's existence being a matter of historical record is complete BS.
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>To believe God isn’t real, requires them to disprove the already established facts about God
Just waiting on one of you to provide us with those "facts." Secret evidence is as good as non-existent evidence.
The problem with the FSM, Leprechaun, and Gobs/Allah/Yahweh/Supreme Fascist questions is that they all start with an incorrect premise. They equate these imaginary and fictional characters to a real historical being. This is a mistake in logic and reason. This is why atheists often find themselves running in circles trying to figure out why their argument’ is silly.
The reality of Odin is already established as a matter of the historical record. To believe Odin isn’t real, requires them to disprove the already established facts about Odin
which all of them admit they can’t do.
Because they can’t do it, their entire belief that Odin isn’t real even though Odin has already been established as real is based on blind faith
a belief (opinion) but not facts and evidence.
This is why it takes great faith to be an athorist.
It takes no faith whatsoever. Neither does it take belief. All it takes is a willingness to see the truth. You start with an unproven premise: God is real. You have no proof, no logic, no reason, only a flat incorrect premise. All your other errors flow from that.
Jesus might have been a real historical being, but there is absolutely no evidence that he had any sort of divine powers, much less being God in the flesh. The only magic Jesus would've been able to do is stage magic.
God, on the other hand, has zero historical evidence for his existence, exactly the same as Odin or leprechauns. The FSM has more historical evidence, but only in that we know exactly when we made him up. We don't know when people made up Yahweh or Odin.
Even were it so that a superpowered entity existed, for definite, in the past, that's still no reason why it exists *now*.
Given the problems with verifying the authenticity of historical documents and of certain figures in general, that casts yet more doubt on the "established historical figure" claim in the first place.
Genghis Khan:
“I am the punishment of God...If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.”
Is this the sort of passage that you are referring to when you claim that God has been proven as a figure from history?
"The problem with the FSM, Leprechaun, and Odin questions is that they all start with an incorrect premise. They equate these imaginary and fictional characters to a real historical being."
The problem with your One True Religion is that it starts with an incorrect premise. It equates your imaginary and fictional character with reality. That is why it takes no faith to be an atheist.
"The reality of God is already established as a matter of the historical record."
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Goomy pls
And why not? I could be a serious Pastafarian at the exact same level as serious Christians.
They equate these imaginary and fictional characters to a real historical being. This is a mistake in logic and reason.
You should meet all the presuppositionalists out there like yourself. Have you ever heard of special pleading?
hmm, let's see... No actually.
The FSM will not be mocked. Chef Boyardee is available in every supermarket ( more or less ) thus proving the FSM exists.
is obvious, NO ?
"The reality of God is already established as a matter of the historical record."
Except, of course, it isn't.
For fuck's sake, can't one of these dumbasses EVER present evidence for their God's existence instead of just asserting it without evidence?
Oh, wait. There is no evidence. Carry on. Nothing to learn here.
Wut.
Okay, I'll play. You're aware there are first-person accounts of encounters with all sorts of supernatural beings, yes? Right up to alien abductions in the present day.
In what way is God historically substantiated, in a way that makes him more clearly established than the leprechaun cobbling away at a pair of shoes that Dougal's great-uncle absolutely saw in 1931?
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