(The truth is, for every person singing the praises of homeopathy you can find ten who tried it and are still suffering--or worse. These people walk away quietly, and you never hear their stories, and you never take them into account)
The truth is, for every person singing the praises of chemotherapy, you can find ten who tried and are still suffering - or are dead. You never take them into account. There's no saving grace here just lots of wasted money and what seems like a nice science about "killing" cancer cells. Take a closer look please and stop ignoring what could be the greatest medical breakthrough in centuries.
Homeopathy is real and works. Nobody knows why it works. Maybe, if researchers are given a chance to find out, we'll know. Maybe it really didn't work, never worked - but anyone who reads can see the absurdity of the placebo rationalization or any of the other explain aways. Too bad the mere possibility, or reality, that it works is a threat to conventional medicine or at least some aspects of it. On second thought maybe that's a good thing. Maybe conventional medicine is not quite everything it has been made out to be. Maybe everyone is gradually figuring that out.
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"The truth is, for every person singing the praises of chemotherapy, you can find ten who tried and are still suffering - or are dead. You never take them into account."
Actually, we do. Because chemotherapy comes from real science, real testing has been done and actual facts and figures are available about its efficacy.
Ignorant magical thinkers have trust networks full of ignorant magical thinkers like themselves and they reinforce each other. Evidence is less convincing to them than Aunt Millie's anecdotes.
You can make a lot of money selling water|supplements|religion to these people.
Too bad the mere possibility, or reality, that it works is a threat to conventional medicine or at least some aspects of it.
Are you kidding? The prospect of selling “medicine” that needs no research, no tests and no ingredients but water and sugar? The pharma industry would start drooling at the thought.
And when Homeopathy can regenerate missing limbs, maybe what you 'claim' is quite everything it has made out to be.
Has your 'Magic Water' manipulated Stem Cells to create new tissue, as part of the ongoing R&D in organ replacement: regeneration ? Or even 'Magic Water'-based Gene Therapy which has been proven to work against certain cancers ? Let us know - via the likes of the very august peer reviewed publications "The BMJ" & "The Lancet" - when it can, mm'kay...?!
"Nobody knows why it works"
If it's based on simple ingredients and a traditional home cure, there are books that tell you why some of it works, they'll even narrow it down to the active element and tell you what the pharmaceutical sibling is.
"Maybe, if researchers are given a chance to find out"
Know what's funny, there were policies introduced to fund testing or implement regulations on "New Age" and Homeopathy products but your Tea Party Republicans said that was "Interfering with business/ Business' will do what's right/ Someone should be making money off this shit / Opinions are facts/etc"
Homeopathy is water and it works like water. If it does anything more, it's placebo, and we all know why that works.
Conventional medicine is what it has been made out to be; not a miracle cure, but slow hard work that might succeed in the end. Most people figure that out around age 13 or so...
Some blogger said she had cancer, then she didn't. Now she's admitting she never had cancer at all. That's how homeopathy etc works; by someone conning you into buying it, thus making them rich.
Homeopathy is real and works. Nobody knows why it works.
If you can't explain why it works, you can't conclude that it is real and works.
"Maybe, if researchers are given a chance to find out, we'll know."
Who's stopping them? NOBODY. Homeopathics are a multi-billion dollar industry. The manufacturers could easily afford to fund legitimate studies if they wanted them, but they don't (or if they have, they don't tell you about them). Why do you think that is?
Maybe this, maybe that... James, that's WHY we do controlled testing to see what actually happens, not just listen to anecdotes. Science doesn't mean "pulling suppositions out of thin air", which seems to be your method of choice.
If homeopathy worked, conventional medicine/Big Pharma would be all over that.
You think bottled water is expensive now? Just wait until drug companies learn they can sell plain water as medicine for hundreds of dollars!
I've learned a lot about the practical and medicinal uses of herbs and plants, so I don't believe homeopathy is 100% bunk.
However, only using homeopathic methods to treat major diseases/conditions/illnesses could kill you. Why not use natural means to help your body heal while accepting proven treatments from the medical community? Marijuana, for one, is truly beneficial to those suffering from the nausea and fatigue brought on by chemotherapy. Aloe helps with skin dryness and discomfort and Valerian will help you rest.
It doesn't have to be a 'one or the other' kind of thing. Use some common sense.
Maybe, if researchers are given a chance to find out, we'll know.
They have all the chance they want. Nobody is stopping people from doing whatever crackpot research they want.
"The truth is, for every person singing the praises of chemotherapy, you can find ten who tried and are still suffering - or are dead."
While that may be true to some extent, I bet if you compare the rates of homeopathy curing cancer to chemotherapy curing cancer we would see that the ratios would be in the favor of chemotherapy.
The discovery of the placebo effect is not the greatest medical breakthrough in centuries; it has not wrought the same positives of anesthetics, penicillin, vaccines etc.
I'd be very concerned about any medical practice that isn't properly understood by its advocates or critics. Genuine medicines tend to have potentially negative side effects that are known by doctors, so by arguing that homeopathy hasn't been tested sufficiently you're admitting that practitioners are treating people with an untested remedy that could, hypothetically, have far-reaching repercussions on the patient. The fact that there are homeopaths in employment would mean that they would have to be struck off if this was the case, and they were legitimate. Though, they are not typically accredited doctors, and all research into homeopathy shows that it has no value beyond a placebo.
Well, you ignorant halfwit, my mother tried to cure her cancer with homeopathy. She died.
ANd this is why I will do anything in my power to see homeaopathy ERADICATED.
No compromise with bogus medicine.
@KittyKaboom
I think you're describing something different than Homeopathy. Homeopathy is a certain branch of herbal medicine where a VERY tiny amount (like less than a percent) of something is added to a large, non-active base like water or whatever.
The substance/herb in question would actually aggravate the condition if taken in a larger amount.
Here's an explanation: http://www.ehow.com/about_5417341_naturopath-vs-homeopath.html
On the other hard, taking beneficial herbs/minerals/vitamins that fight the condition on their own isn't in question, here. I think you have Homeopathy & Naturopathy confused. Don't worry, I was the same way.
I agree on your basic point though, Alternative Medicine ALONE is stupid and Complementary Medicine is best. The two...Allopathic & Naturopathic...complement each other so they cancel-out the pitfalls of each.
I hope this helps.
The difference being that the individual singing the praises of homeopathy will still be sick while the individual singing the praises of chemotherapy will no longer have fucking cancer. Because unlike your homeopathic superstition and nonsense, chemotherapy relies on actual medical science. There's a reason why you don't even need to a medical license to practice homeopathy -- because it's not medicine. It doesn't in any way qualify and it doesn't even have enough of a measurable effect to bother watching it.
Dara O'briain said it best:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHVVKAKWXcg
"Herbal medicine has been around for thousands of years. Yeah, and the stuff that worked became medicine . The rest is just a bowl of soup and some potpourri."
Thanks for the responses everyone. I do understand the difference between Naturopathy and Homeopathy. In my view, the water-based things are no different from tea, which can not only be calming, but therapeutic. I've made tea from a variety of things, including Dandelions. Some herbs or plants are great for breaking up mucus, etc and work very well when used in a tea.
It's the concentrations that make the preparations helpful and knowing what the individual components do. Just adding a little bit of dried plant to cold water, straining it and calling it a 'cure', however, is absolute bullshit. This stuff should only be mixed by someone who knows what they're doing, and I loathe the practice of people charging more than the cost of the herbs/plants for bottle of casually mixed green water and labeling it a cure.
I apologize for not being more clear when I posted before.
@KittyKaboom:
" I do understand the difference between Naturopathy and Homeopathy. In my view, the water-based things are no different from tea, which can not only be calming, but therapeutic. I've made tea from a variety of things,"
It is not the same thing. Tea has something in it, depending on what that is it could do something. Homeopathy has nothing in it and does nothing.
There is no doubt that toxic anti-cancer chemotherapy is overused, particularly on cancers on which it is ineffective.
It is also hideously overpriced. Typical charges for a single IV application are over $10,000 for a bag of chemicals that costs $10. Nice markup.
Of course, there ARE cancers (leukemia, for example) for which toxic chemotherapy works very well, with a high remission rate. I suggest that its use be limited to those illnesses against which it is effective.
Homeopathy is real and works
No, it doesn't, you lying bastard.
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