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I WHOLEHEARTEDLY support Erin Pizzey’s views on how feminism is undermining family life (Mail). <–Link Warning, Mature Readers Only, Explicit sidebar, I was one of the people (who went with Erin (who opened the world’s first refuge for battered women) when we confronted the feminists in the Chiswick Refuge for the first time. We were hit by a hissing, Doc Martin-booted, crew-cutted gang who had totally neglected their femininity. It was frightening. I certainly saw the writing on the wall: men would no longer know what their true role was in the family. Now — many years later– it has come true.
Men don’t know where they stand in the scheme of things, particularly when they are in a family.
Things got so bad that some refuges wouldn’t even take in male children, and girls grew up believing that all men were bad. The knock-on effect has completely undermined the whole loving balanced view of family life. Men are faced with bolshie women who don’t believe they should have to cook clean or contribute to life at home in any way.
All I can see is feminism is ugliness–the sooner it stops, the better. Let’s bring back the gentle, loving, pretty female who is proud to be a woman.

Diane Core, ladies against feminism 20 Comments [1/27/2016 4:27:12 AM]
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Reynardine

So we're even obliged to be pretty, and we're bad if we're not. Then, what's Erin Pizzey's excuse?

1/27/2016 5:41:10 AM

Malingspann

"Let’s bring back the gentle, loving, pretty female who is proud to be a woman."

'You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it. That makes them our enemy.'

1/27/2016 5:47:59 AM



What nonsense.

1/27/2016 6:52:27 AM

Mikgof

Apart from being insulting to women, it's insulting to men. She seems to think that men are delicate little flowers who can't survive the onslaught of an independent women. I've got news for her, most men actually prefer women who can think for themselves.

1/27/2016 7:33:54 AM

Musicalbookworm

I don't think you know what feminism means.

1/27/2016 7:34:39 AM

Swede

I have a pair of very pretty Doc Martin boots, with stitched roses on the sides. No crew-cut though, do I have to?
What were we talking about, again?

Men's true roll in the family in Sweden is to be at home with the kids for at least three months when they are small, and to be home with them when they are sick. Oh, and also to bring home a paycheck. Women's true roll in the family is basically the same. Each kid gets 480 days at home with its parents (paid by taxes); 3 months with each, and the rest can be split the way the family wants. What truer roll can there be in a family than to be paid to be with your child?

If they don't know where they stand, why don't they discuss it with their wives/partners? Perhaps they don’t know either.
Why didn't the shelters take in male children? They need protection against abusive parents, too!

Girls grow up knowing that some men are bad, but there is no way of knowing from the exterior who's bad and who's not. With feminism, we have more ability to call the bad men out; before feminism, we had to take it or be sacked, ostracized or killed (that can still happen, but the risk is much, much lower nowadays).

Bolshie women?
If a man doesn't like to cook and clean, he will have to find a wife who does, and do other things at home instead. I know quite a few men who like to cook, and don’t let their wives into the kitchen.
Both partners in a couple have to contribute equally to life at home; what's the point of being a family otherwise? You don’t have to do the exact same things, but the amount of work ought to be similar.

The bolshie women, whoever they are, are probably proud to be women too, nit-wit.

1/27/2016 8:09:02 AM

Kanna

And the reason women were in the shelter for battered women was what? Men who "know where they stand in the scheme of things"? You fail to see that feminism was the inevitable and necessary outcome of the prevailing masculine culture which thought THEY should be the ones to decide what women should be, and should enforce it with physical brutality. I'm going to go out on a limb and opine that you are of the privileged class of "ladies", who do not need to fight for a job and who do not fear being knocked about every time he comes home with a couple of pints in him.

1/27/2016 8:16:03 AM

rubber chicken

Stepford wives find things scary outside of Stepford, Film at 11!

1/27/2016 8:22:06 AM

Doubting Thomas

My wife works, she is feminine, and yet she still does half the housework and half the child raising. I do the other half, and am happy to do it.

See, feminism isn't about thinking you should never have to cook or clean, it's about thinking that that's all you're allowed to do. Your idea of "the little woman" staying home to cook, clean, and raise children was left back in the 1950's. Society has changed, deal with it.

1/27/2016 8:22:13 AM

Anon-e-moose

"(Mail). <–Link Warning, Mature Readers Only, Explicit"

Must be the Daily FAIL publishing pictures of a certain Nintendo character: Rule 63'd, and naked! X3

"Men are faced with bolshie women"

...and I love them all the more for it, so unless you want a paradox on your hands, stop it Diana Bore, you're turning me on with your dirty Bolshie talk!

"Let’s bring back the gentle, loving, pretty female who is proud to be a woman."

What, like that dried-up & desiccated old harpy Phyllis Schaftafly? Oh, and speaking of which, Raygun's poodle & real Antichrist Maggie Thatcher (*spit*). Thus the diametric opposite (politically), Barbara Castle: your argument is invalid.

1/27/2016 8:43:54 AM

nazani14

Aww, teh poor mens who don't know what their role in a family is because.. someone wore boots?

Assuming this confrontation actually happened, (which I don't,) women with crewcuts aren't "neglecting" their femininity, they're just damn sick of everybody else telling them how to be female and rejecting the cultural boundaries. I like a lot of femme stuff, but I recognize that at bottom, it's just cosplay.

1/27/2016 9:15:24 AM

creativerealms

When you speak up and fight agianst feminism and you are a woman you are a feminist, and a boomerang bigot.

1/27/2016 11:16:37 AM

Delirium

"Feminists are ugly"
"bolshies"

Alexandra Kollontai wants a word with you.

1/27/2016 11:29:42 AM



Well, that's the point? Being a doormat and beautiful? Inthat case, why sulking about something you can't control?

1/27/2016 12:25:57 PM

Sasha

So you're saying that men are completely stupid?

1/27/2016 1:48:19 PM

Old Viking

@Swede: the state paid me to stay with our boys. And rightfully so, I might add.

1/27/2016 6:17:28 PM

Mayasmom

I don't think you know what feminism is. It's about equality, where the couple are partners in the home instead of one gender calling the shots and the other being dependent on them. A deconstruction of old gender roles and changing society for the betterment of all.
You can still be pretty and a feminist btw. It's not a contradiction like you think it is.or you can be ugly and anti-feminist. There are only a few hard and gast rules.

1/27/2016 10:05:20 PM

Kanna

Wow, I looked up that site, went to "What is feminism", and got this: "Beautiful Womanhood/LAF defines feminism as any philosophy, teaching, or practice that seeks to conform womanhood to its own (human and therefore fallible) standard."

They claim that god is the only definer of standards....but then they proceed to define standards.....

I'm going to go back to that other article and post this again.

1/28/2016 7:00:28 AM

Titania

You can be proud to be a woman, but not if that means being a battered slave.

1/28/2016 7:15:07 AM

darkevilme

For the record. Its possible for men and women to oppose modern feminism without wanting to roll back earlier and more legitimate accomplishments of feminism and re-establishing a patriarchy. and to oppose modern feminism without objecting to earlier forms of feminism is a legitimate position.

clearly this isn't one of those people though and is someone who DOES want to roll back early feminism and re-establish a Christian patriarchy. So as an egalitarian and nominal 'equity feminist' I can cheerfully tell Diane Core to get bent.

No one is free in a patriarchy. I don't have time to police the lives of women and I'm fairly sure I wouldn't be any good at it.

1/28/2016 7:38:25 AM

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