The Bible specifically states that some laws are for the children of Israel (the Jews) and others are universal.
Your example of Deuteronomy 22:29 doesn't pertain to rape. It pertains to a man thinking he can lead a woman on, sleep with her, and then dump her. Under God's law, He could not, and was required to pay her father a dowry and take care of her for the rest of her life. God's law protects women and their rights.
Leviticus 19:9 specifies that it is a law for the children of Israel (the Jews) and refers to helping the poor. Don't think you have to use up every last drop of everything for yourself - share with those who don't have anything!
Here's how you can tell the difference between universal laws and Jewish law - Jewish law will be preceded with specific instruction "to the children of Israel".
Here you go:
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This is generally true!
True Christians learn the Bible in full textual, situational, and historical context. We laugh at the pagans and their infantile ideas of various Biblical teachings and commands, whereby they think that rules Jesus gave specifically to Jews also apply to others. Without a doubt some of commands issued to the Hebrews are also to be followed by Christians. Like Lev 19:15 where it says "...in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour." This command is upheld throughout the Christian Bible, including in the Matthean verses of 7:1-5 that pagans like to quote out of context.
In the name of the Lord,
Jerry
You know, I was going to say something constructive, but then I read the first post. So instead;
SHUT THE FUCK UP, JERRY!! We all know you're just a lowlife troll. We've known since the beginning. And we've tolerated you because you were relatively harmless. But even when we begged you to break character for once and not mock the Orlando shooting you did so anyway. Most trolls actually have standards. Unfortunatly, you don't. As evidenced here once again, as the OP mentions that he sees women as mere property (surprise) and you agree (again, surprise)
So just GTFO of here. We've had enough of you. I'd say more and threaten you some more, but I know that, as a troll you feed on anger and attention.
So can somebody please permaban this subhuman degenerate once and for all?
"True Christians learn the Bible in full textual, situational, and historical context."
Then it's too bad no true Christians ever shows up here, isn't it Jerry. Then we could learn some Biblical Scholarly level things (that ALWAYS disagree with your lot) instead of recycled bullshit.
You have repeatedly, like most fundamentalist sect followers, shown yourself to be ignorant of much Scripture. It's noticeable you didn't use the word "Literal" up there, as no fundamentalist has ever addressed the book that way but still throws the word in there like they know it's meaning. You did dishonestly bounce around it though, is that the new fundie tact?
You wouldn't know context if you were part of it.
@Jerry
You never have answered what purpose you serve in posting here. You have ruled out any constructive purpose. Whether you are sincere in your belief or not, you're nothing more than a troll.
Anyway, not expecting an actual answer, Why should we care what the bible says in the first place?
Citation? Where in the writings of the first temple does it state that some of the laws are only a temporary deal, and some are for all people in all places?
"God's law protects women and their rights."
Then why, sir, does he pay the father? It sounds to me like it is protecting the "property" rights of the father.
Oh, so that's how you differentiate between laws for Jews and for everyone else. Well then, I guess the laws for putting people to death are universal.
@Dr. Razark,
Part of Calvinist and Lutheran doctrine is that no person can believe the Bible of their own power, but by having a magic ghost personally rewire their neurons (or, move their spirit and replace the heart of stone with a heart of flesh, if you prefer loftier terms) to make them buy that nonsense. Preaching, in their view, is what enables this to happen. They literally believe that loudly shouting their ideology out loud can make people believe it, and that they are commanded to do so. The Westboro Baptist Church is an extreme example of this belief.
@ Jerry
I hope you enjoy being a pagan. That verse is pointing at you just as much or more than it is at me.
...oh and Jerry, go fuck yourself.
Let's look at the line before that shall we?
Deuteronomy 22:28 "If a man meets a virgin who is not engaged, and SEIZES HER and lies with her, and they are caught in the act..."
You'll excuse me but "seizes her" is a strange way to refer to "leading a woman on."
What about Matthew 25:34 onwards? That's not for Jews, is it? That's for followers of Jesus, telling them explicitly to help the poor and sick, or be "cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angel."
Nope. Deuteronomy 22:29, no matter which translation you look at, uses terms like "seized", "violated," and "raped." So, yeah, it's talking about rape.
This verse uses the term "seduces." See the difference?
Exodus 22:16
"If a man seduces a virgin who is not engaged, and lies with her, he must pay a dowry for her to be his wife.
Oh great, Jerry The Fundie Troll's back!
"True Christian"... a term he cannot refer himself to at all. GO THE FUCK AWAY JERRY! NO ONE FINDS YOU FUNNY ANYMORE!
Alencon (and other pagans):
Of course when one reads the Christian Bible in context, the satanic Catholic-inspired twistery of the Scripture falls flat. As always. Praise!
Deut 22:25-29
But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.
But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.
If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
In the name of the Lord,
Jerry
Why did you relie on a quote by Augustine, if Catholics are 'Satanic', Jerko?
Further proof you're not a 'Real Christian'. Otherwise, via your use of a quote by Augustine, Catholics are the 'Elect' and are Saved.
...oh, and thank you for admitting that your 'Christian Bible' isn't the actual word of your 'Lord': If you have to resort to the 'Context' excuse, then it isn't literal , and you don't have the right to think about being homophobic, because Leviticus - including that tiny titbit you relie on for your bigotry - only applies to Jews and not Gentiles: such as you , Jerkoid.
...unless you're Jewish , Jerky. In which case, say goodbye to your precious Q JV: as the authoriser of your 'Christian Bible - which you now no longer have the right to use - was as gay as they come , and in contravention of Jewish law which never applied to Gentiles : such as the Christian Queen James I who wrote the very gay, and therefore Satanic , 'Christian Bible' which you now have no right to use, as - to justify your use of that part of Leviticus to ensure your right to think the way you do, re 'Satanic' homosexuals - you are Jewish .
@Thinking Allowed
Perhaps it's time for Distind to purge the heathen Jerky via the cleansing power of the banhammer .
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