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Ephebophilia (or ‘hebephilia’) is a word commonly bandied about online by individuals wishing to differentiate between men (like themselves), who are attracted towards underage teenagers, and ‘paedophiles’ who are sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children. Of course, the media, and the legal system, makes no such distinction. However, many who would champion the right of men to have sexual relations with girls currently under the age of consent feel strongly that if this distinction was more widely known and accepted then it could facilitate a more reasonable public discussion on the age of consent and the laws and punishments relating to sex with teens. Paedophiles are evil perverts and beyond the pale, but ephebophiles? Well, they are not so very different from the average red-blooded man – they just like their women a little bit younger. Yes, they are suffering from a clinical disorder, as paedophiles are, but it’s not so harmful and they are a lot closer to the normal spectrum than subhuman paedos.

So is ephebophilia a real thing? Does the concept serve any useful purpose in the context of the feminist war upon male sexuality and age of consent issues in particular? And am I just as much as a hebo as some of my former readers who have championed the label in the past, such as ‘Human Stupidity‘?

As regulars will know, I’ve made a point of strongly disavowing the very idea of ephebophilia. There are two good reasons for this.

Firstly, my experience of ‘ephebophiles’ both here and elsewhere online. Self-identified ephebophiles tend to be universally 1/ clearly autistic 2/ tactically clueless 3/ prone to paedocrisy and even 4/ Left-Wing and pro-feminist (obviously some exceptions, such as HS) and certainly ‘anti-misogynistic’.

To put it bluntly, based upon my experience, such people are worse than useless in the fight against the Sexual Trade Union. I’d rather go into battle against an Isis horde with only a dozen disabled, pacifist, transgenders alongside me than these creepy ‘ephebophiles’. Hell, I’d rather take on a handful of Russian Ultras with a thousand English football hooligans to back me up. That’s how pathetic these aspie hebos are when it comes to the street fight we are all in.

Secondly, I see no strategic advantage whatsoever in embracing the label of ephebophilia. ‘Hebos’ are so clueless that they really do believe, in their aspie naivety, that the same hysteric mobs who burn down the homes of pediatricians will take kindly to a group defining themselves by a slightly different Ancient Greek term meaning ‘ perverted love of underage girls with hair and perky breasts’.

Of course, this isn’t quite fair. Ephebophilia means ‘love of youth’ (form the Greek word for youth – ‘hebe’). And the attraction to young post-pubescent girls is indeed normal. The point is, to paedohysterics, a word doesn’t change a thing. David Futrelle, child snuff porn apologist and paedocrite that he is, is right to mock the idea that it could ‘win over’ feminists or the paedo hating population at large. In fact, it could make things very much worse. I have spoken here before of the fact that shows like ‘To Catch a Predator’, and ‘anti-paedophile’ vigilantes such as Stinson Hunter, nearly always target men who are trying to have sex with girls only a little under the age of consent. They never try to entrap real perverts and child molestors.

The reason why we have this insane moral panic over ‘paedophiles’ is not because perverts who molest 5 year old children are hated. It’s because society hates and fears even more the normal men who break age of consent laws by having sex with nubile young teens. Paedocritical men are shouting at the bulge in their pants at the thought of climbing into bed with a sexy 14 year old, and all the legal consequences that would follow for them, and paedohysteric woman (and feminists) are shouting at the millions of men who would not even hide the bulge in their pants and openly pursue teenage girls if it wasn’t for the law, the shaming, and the feminist induced hysteria over ‘paedophilia’.

It is true to an extent that establishing the concept of ephebophilia in mainstream discourse would help to clarify what real paedophilia is and isn’t. Real paedophilia is a psychological perversion involving the sexual preference for pre-pubescent children (in today’s USA, that means girls under the age of 10 or so). But at the same time, I see absolutely no advantage in replacing one clinically defined pathology with another. Anti-feminism is the fight against the feminist suppression and pathologizing of normal male heterosexuality. It is normal for men to be sexually attracted to females who have started puberty and who have the maximum number of fertile years ahead of them.

Ephebophile activists believe they can identify themselves as a group and fight for and eventually win their sexual rights, just as gays (supposedly) did. No they can’t. However, MEN can perhaps reclaim their sexual rights against feminists. Only normal, heterosexual MEN can win in the fight against the war on male sexuality.

With all this said, however, I wouldn’t be honest not to add my own personal experiences over the last couple of years, and describe how they have perhaps enabled me to look at the ‘ephebophile question’ in a new and more nuanced light. For some time I’d largely given up on dating. I was getting older, I was still introverted and awkward around the opposite sex, and in any case, as ‘the Anti-Feminist’ I saw all women as rapists, every one of them limiting male sexuality in order to futher their own selfish sexual ends. Walking down the street and smiling at a pretty jailbait as an act of defiance was the limit of female involvement in my world.

For over two years now I’ve been spending the majority of my time in Eastern Europe. As most readers accept here, Slavic women are much more feminine and better looking than their Anglo counterparts, with Russians at the very apex of the female beauty pyramid. Furthermore, they age rather differently too. Yes, of course any normal man would be attracted to even an average Russian 15 year old girl, but the ‘Manosphere Myth’ that I’ve criticised here in the past regarding peak fertility and women reaching their maximum attractiveness at 21-25 isn’t so implausible when you constantly see such stunningly beautiful long legged slim women in their early twenties all around you.

In Eastern Europe I don’t get the achingly painful sense of regret at seeing a pretty 14 year old girl and thinking that by the time she is legal, she will already be losing her youthful charm and beauty. The fact is, in the UK, and even in countries such as France and Germany, the majority of girls are burnt out, bitter, overweight slags by the time they reach 18. Because of diet, lifestyle, and genetics, even pretty 14 year olds do start to lose it by the time they are off to university. In Eastern Europe, puberty arrives a little later, lasts longer, and everywhere you turn there are 20 year old women who are ravishingly beautiful, have perfect skin, possess the long slim legs of ballerinas, and who wear elegant fashions with a graceful air.

Furthermore, I’ve fallen in love with at least a couple of such specimans. One of them is now 26. I have seen photos of her when she was a teenager and the curious thing is she didn’t look anything special even at 17. By 21 she was modelling, and even now as she approaches her 30’s, I get jealous looks constantly when I am with her, even in a city where HB8s are the norm. Even the likes of Krauser PUA would give me a nod of respect if he saw me with her. Look closely and she has crow feet developing around her eyes. Her skin is no longer perfect. But if I could re-wind time I would not wish her any younger than 21. And it’s not down to make-up either. I have seen her without, and she is still beautiful, and more beautiful than she was when she was a schoolgirl.

Another of my girlfriends is 20, and very pretty. She still looks like a teen, and even behaves like one in many ways, though thankfully more in a cute than insufferable manner. Although beautiful, I do not recieve so many jealous looks when I am with her as when I am with the woman who is a good deal older. This girl, I only met recently. I have seen photos of her when she was 18, and she looked almost perfect. I would have liked to have known her then, and I would still not object to a girlfriend such as her who is 16 or 17. However, in Eastern Europe the age of consent is not such a weighty issue given the mass of beautiful females aged above even 18. And this is probably why paedohysteria is primarily an Anglo-Saxon phenomenon.

So in the light of my experiences, how would I finally appraise ‘ephebophila’? As to whether it is a real thing, I am both more and less inclined to say yes. Despite my disavowal of the term here in the past, I somewhat suspected that I might be ‘a little different’ to the average man. Not just in being honest about attraction to young teenagers, but perhaps more strongly attracted than most. Although partly right, I think I had simply fallen into the same mistake that I’d rightly accused self-identified ‘ephebophiles‘ of making. The honesty to accept that teens are attractive can lead you to identify yourself, even subconsciously, as ‘somebody who is attracted to teenage girls’ and different to other men, and to somewhat ignore the charms of slightly older females. And this is compounded by the disgraceful state of femininity in the Anglo-Saxon world, a world in which the only feminine and loveable girls left are indeed mostly under 18.

If ephebophilia exists, therefore, it is not a clinical disorder, such as real paedophilia is, but rather a situation in a man’s life brought about by feminism and the state of women in the Western world.

And as a badge, it’s still tactically clueless and aspie.

My experiences of falling in love have also altered somewhat my views on ‘normal male sexuality’ in the sense that I now give more value to the merits of sex within a loving relationship. Of course, I am not now claiming that the female monogamous system is ‘right’ for men. I am currently in love with two beautiful women, and I think I have emotional room left for a couple more as well, hehe. All I’m saying is I no longer mock the notion of love, and that sex with love is, after all, something that every man should be able to experience as part of a happy life. I also look at porn less, and so I have to admit, I am closer to Eivind Berge’s view that real relationships are better than fapping. However, I still feel that he doesn’t understand the dangers of giving the slightest credence to feminist arguments against porn. And also, not many men can have girlfriends as good looking as his, and not many men approaching 50, as I am, can walk down the street with a beautiful 20 year old, or a HB9 26 year old, as I can. Porn never stopped me having relationships. Rather, it was a life-saving substitute in fallow times. It also helped to keep the flame of desire alive as I sank into middle-age.

And that thought leads nicely onto a final word regarding my contribution to men’s rights activism and the lack of updates on this blog. Yes, I am in some ways happier and more content than before, and therefore no longer feel the need or have the desire to carry the stress and time commitment of regularly posting articles here. It’s also true that I certainly no longer feel any personal pain at current age of consent laws. I would certainly be satisfied forever more at having relationships with beautiful Slavic girls aged 16 above, or even 18 above. But this certainly isn’t the reason for my lack of involvement in men’s rights. I still maintain that the ‘age of consent’, or more correctly, all the many issues that revolve around it, as part of the wider assault upon male sexuality by feminists, is the leading men’s rights issue. But perhaps I am less inclined to maintain this site, just when I am finding some happiness and sexual satisfaction, to cater to disloyal self-identified ephebophile readers such as the likes of Jon or Human-Stupidity, themselves prone to paedocrisy whenever it suits them.

Miguel, theantifeminist.com 21 Comments [1/9/2017 2:00:08 PM]
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Fuck me sideways, I'm not reading all of this just to hear Miguel here confirm he's a pedophile.

1/9/2017 2:15:53 PM


tl, dr.

1/9/2017 2:54:50 PM


...so all that tl;dr to admit you're a nonce.

1/9/2017 3:47:56 PM


Fucking hell, do you really expect me to read eleventy billion words from the keyboard of someone who thinks theantifeminist is a great philosopher? No chance.

1/9/2017 3:57:56 PM


1/9/2017 4:16:49 PM

The Reptilian Jew

Please for the sake of all that is squishy, DON'T SUBMIT ENTIRE FUCKENING ARTICLES. Nobody will read them, I can assure you. There is a reason submissions are called quotes instead of articles.

1/9/2017 4:40:30 PM

Philbert McAdamia

Is this an entry for a new category?
-- Longest TL;DR Ever --

1/9/2017 4:45:16 PM


@Everyone submitting quotes: Submit quotes please.

@Everyone approving quotes: Reject them or condense them if they aren't quotes.

1/9/2017 5:40:48 PM


Tl dr

For goodness sake, can't you EDIT your submissions?

As for the subject, it's another whine of someone who wants the right to young teenagers. But we (sensibly) are more concerned about HER right to grow to maturity before making a major decision. If she is legally too young to enter into a financial contract, she is definitely too young to hitch herself to a tweenie-chaser. A person who expresses his preference for young'uns will inevitably look at her one day, find she has grown up, and go looking for another. Not a wise choice for a mate, which is why she needs to mature enough to choose more wisely.

1/9/2017 10:00:26 PM


"Ephebophilia (or ‘hebephilia’) is a word commonly bandied about online by individuals wishing to differentiate between men (like themselves), who are attracted towards underage teenagers, and ‘paedophiles’ who are sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children."

Those don't mean the same. Hebephilia is attraction to youngsters of junior high age. Ephebophilia is attraction to youngsters of high school age. When Dazed and Confused's David Wooderson (Matthew McConaughey) said "That's what I love about these high school girls, man. I get older, they stay the same age" he outed himself as an ephebophile, not a hebephile or pedophile.

1/10/2017 2:58:08 AM


Didn't one of those "Duck Dynasty" doorknobs say that 15 was the best age to marry?

1/10/2017 3:09:15 AM


Ephebophilia and hebephilia are not the same thing, they are two words.
The media and legal system makes no difference between pedophilia and hebephilia, yes, but they usually do make a difference between those two and ephebophilia.

What about women’s rights to have relations with boys? (I’m in favor of neither, I just wonder why it’s almost always only men’s rights, not adult’s rights, with these dolts.)

The discussion would not be more reasonable, if it centered on adults molesting children, no.

Apparently hebephilia is a real thing, as there are quite a few creeps bandying about it on the Net.

The autists I know (on the Net) never profess any liking to underage girls.
I’ve heard more alt-rights being hebephiles, than left-wings, and I’ve never heard any feminists being in favor of it.
I’d say it’s pretty misogynistic to think that men ought to have rights to molest young girls.


14-year-olds are only “sexy” to near-pedophiles. To the rest of us, they are giggly children with braces and pimples.

It’s not hysteria, it’s protection of children against adult predators.
Puberty starts sometime around 9-14, so 14 year-olds can be pre-pubescent too. Also, puberty takes a number of years.

It’s normal for men to be attracted to women who are actually ready and able, both physically and mentally to give birth and take care of a child. That means women around 25. Would you really want a 14-year-old as mother to your children, as constant companion? What do you have in common?

Gays are consenting adults, there’s no power disadvantage. Both pedophiles and hebephiles are adults wanting to molest children, a very decided power disadvantage.

There’s no war on male sexuality, only on predator sexuality; rapes, molestations and harassments.

All women are lesbians?

Fallen in love with “specimans”? They are not humans to you, only objects for your gratification.

Is your skin perfect? Are your legs like ballet dancers’?
Teenagers behave insufferable? Weren’t they “sexy” just a few moments ago?

If you’re open with your polyamory, and don’t pretend to be monogamous to either of the women, I see no problem with it.

Boy, are you boring. I actually read the whole screed. It's clear you haven't matured much beyond the age of 23. Sure, you made progress when you found that your two girlfriends are individuals...

1/10/2017 3:24:56 AM

Psycho Tits

Please snip the least interesting parts and leave us the juicy stuff. I know others have said it, but I cannot stress this enough.

1/10/2017 3:37:33 AM

Mister Spak

"If ephebophilia exists, therefore, it is not a clinical disorder, such as real paedophilia is, but rather a situation in a man’s life brought about by feminism and the state of women in the Western world."

Pervert is calling another pervert a pervert.

1/10/2017 5:36:22 AM

Doubting Thomas

Whatever you want to call yourself, we're still not going to let you have sex with underage girls.

1/10/2017 6:39:30 AM


So let me get this straight: after all that long ramble, you give less of a fuck about this bullshit because you have two girlfriends in their early 20s?

Clearly a man of principle. At least you're almost to the point of admitting that your interest in this was purely self-serving and not about the dogma we hear out of so many others. So, while you are a douchebag, it's at least a lesser version than the ones you cited at the end.

Hell, after reading that long mess, it sounds like you don't really buy into that bullshit at all, except where it serves your interests of ego. So, selfish douche espouses views purely to be selfish douche.

1/10/2017 7:17:09 AM


I need a three day hot shower and lots of alcohol so I can forget reading that. WTF is it with manbaby creeps who want girls young enough to be their daughters? Most women don't want to date their father!

1/10/2017 7:39:01 AM


Why is it I feel like half these guys problem is that they're still angry they didn't get laid when they were in high school or college?

I didn't lose my virginity until my second year of college and it was a pretty terrible experience.

1/10/2017 10:15:32 AM


Ephebophilia is a ten-dollar word for people who rent the "barely legal" porn.

1/10/2017 11:22:32 AM


Kanna and everyone else
I'm unable to edit my submission,but nexts time I make them shorter.

1/10/2017 12:47:19 PM

Dizzy Dream

Methinks somebody cannot handle adult women so they have to go after teens. After all, a teen has less life experience so will not be able to tell how lousy you are in the bed, will be less able to stand up for herself and will be less able to tell if she is being abused.

1/10/2017 12:50:15 PM

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