I have repeatedly spelled out my objections to evolution and the actual evidence for it. First, the evidence doesn't exist. Second, the historical timelines that purportedly support it are dynamic. Third, evolution is a complete failure as a predictive model. Fourth, it is scientifically and technologically irrelevant; where is the evolutionary engineering. Fifth, theoretical epicycles are increasingly appearing. Sixth, it is a repeated failure as an explanatory model. Seventh, there is a long track record of scientific fraud attached to it.
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If you were, say, an antitheist, you could say exactly the same things about the Bible. (VD is an Evangelical.) But it's Vox Day - what does anyone expect? Think of anything wrong and he probably believes it.
First, the evidence doesn't exist.
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"I have repeatedly spelled out my objections to evolution"
And yet, the world carries on, almost as if you are totally irrelevant.
1. We have the fossils, multiple cases of observed evolution in living organisms (nylon-digesting bacteria come to mind, but there are many other examples) and genetic evidence. We win.
2. What does that even mean? Since we can't see back in time of course the timeline we have to reconstruct is (to a small degree) dynamic. Somehow I don't believe that's what you mean though.
3. Darwin himself predicted (via the study of homologies with apes) that the point of human ancestral origin is africa, which has been supported by fossil and genetic evidence. Predator-Prey population dynamics (and also Parasite-Host population dynamics) can be predicted using evolution. There are quite a few other predictions it made but those two should be enough already.
4. How could it be scientifically irrelevant? It is important in our understanding of illnesses and parasites, therefore medicine (incomprehensible without knowledge of evolution), our ability to find out more about genetic mechanisms (through phylogenetics for example), even informatics are beginning to use aspects of evolutionary mechanisms because those are far more efficient than anything a human programmer could come up with himself. Also NOTHIN in biology makes sense without evolution as its base.
5. "Theoretical epicycles"? What are you even talking about? The only thing that mentions epicycles I have any knowledge of are pre-ptolemaian geocentric models of astronomy... oh dear god don't tell me you are a geocentrist too...
6. You are repeating yourself, you already stated that (falsely) in point 3.
7. Give me that track record, because I certainly can't think of any frauds besides maybe fossil founds (for example during the fossil wars of the late 19th century). Other than that there are always frauds in every subject of science, we are all still human of course. Doesn't change the fact that evolution is real.
You are a lying, incompetent, arrogant prick Vox Day. You are also the living incarnation of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Most likely you haven't even actually talked to one scientist in your whole live, always fearing that you could be proven wrong. You really sicken me.
What objections do you have to photosynthesis and gravitation?
Do you realize that your objections to proven facts means diddly-squat, VD?
First, there are literally mountains of evidence, in every Museum of Natural History, all over the world.
Second, you're an idiot.
Third, you're an idiot.
Fourth, you're an idiot.
Fifth, you're an idiot.
Sixth, you're an idiot.
Seventh, you're an idiot.
As you have repeatedly spelled this out, and no-one whatsoever cares one iota, you're definitely an idiot.
@Swede
So, the main point I take from that, is that you're saying Vox Day is an idiot? I'll buy that for a dollar, as they say.
@Pharaoh Bastethotep
Thanks! I only have very vague memories of older astronomic theories (although I love astrophysics almost as much as evolutionary science) so I wasn't exactly sure about the whole epicycles thing (only that it had to do with certain kinds geocentrism).
I hate the stupid anti-intellectual idea that science has to only produce knowledge which can be used practically immediately. It's one of the reasons basic research is always underfunded and it is ignorant of scientific history. And with the growing authoritarism around the world I actually fear quite a bit for the future of science. There are more powerful people than Vox Day (not that hard, I know) which believe the exact same things.
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So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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