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Things are tough out there for the honest, good-natured, conservative-leaning men of America. Just because they voted for Donald Trump, continue to support his bigoted and deadly policies, and feel comfortable waving away the darker implications of things like his Muslim ban or border wall doesn’t mean that they’re bad people. It just means that their political opinions happen to line up with neo-Nazis and so-called Christians who would rather kill the poor than actually spend a dime to help another living soul. There’s nothing wrong with that, and if you have the nerve to suggest that there is, then you’re the one who is the real intolerant piece of shit.

Just ask Tim Allen, the famous sitcom star who thinks that being a conservative in Hollywood is like living in Germany in the 1930s. He said that as a joke on a recent episode of Jimmy Kimmel Live!, but a Washington Post story explains that it’s not much of a joke to Allen or to a “clandestine support group” of other Hollywood conservatives who are frightened of being “excommunicated from the church of tolerance.” The piece also quotes older interviews with Allen where he said people should “forget the stupid shit [Trump] says about immigrants,” because it’s “just ignorant” and should apparently be ignored if Trump can “do the stuff that really needs fixing.”

He has also knocked Trump as an amateur with “very bad comic timing” in the past, but that’s the same sort of half-hearted, disingenuous bullshit that a lot of Hollywood conservatives like Allen (and Arnold Schwarzenegger) love to say when it comes to Trump. It lets them pretend like they’re enlightened while still avoiding the actual concrete issues that people have with Trump and his racist cronies, but when they catch a whiff that someone might think less of them for supporting Trump, they get to act all high and mighty for exposing someone else’s “intolerance.”

Allen’s line about 1930s Germany may have been tongue-in-cheek, but comments like that normalize the behavior of Trump’s more extreme supporters because it makes it seem like criticizing their beliefs is somehow worse than the dangerous and hateful things they believe. Attitudes like that helped get Trump elected in the first place, and now it’s more important than ever to call people on their shit when they deserve it. Maybe Tim Allen and his conservative snowflake buddies don’t like feeling judged for being a conservative in Hollywood, but that’s just too bad.

Tim Allen, The A.V. Club 21 Comments [3/20/2017 1:17:04 AM]
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THX 1138

No, I don't feel oppressed, but I do feel like people are being unfair tirwards those who tried to vote the best for themselves in possibly the worst election ever.

Never thought I'd see Tim Allen

3/20/2017 3:50:25 AM

Swede

Things are tough for one of the most privileged groups in society?
Forgive us for not feeling that sorry for you.

There IS something wrong with killing the poor.

Some of the Drumpf supporters behave like the Nazi supporters did in 1930's Germany.
Don't want to be compared with Nazis? Don't behave like them.

3/20/2017 4:20:48 AM



So called Christian thinks killing the poor is ok

Forgets Matthew 25:41 amongst other Bible commands to have compassion for the poor.



And it is too bad that Trump supporters get compared to Nazis. Except that they were supported by Nazis, did nothing to distance themselves and often acted like Nazis. And voting for Trump was voting for his platform whether or not you agreed with it

3/20/2017 4:34:15 AM

Mister Spak

"Things are tough out there for the honest, good-natured, conservative-leaning men of America"

Wait, are you talking about honest, good natured men, or conservative leaning men? Because you can't have both at the same time.

"Just ask Tim Allen, the famous sitcom star who thinks that being a conservative in Hollywood is like living in Germany in the 1930s."

Being a conservatives in Germany in the 1930s was heaven for the conservatives. Hitler spent the whole decade enforcing conservative policies.

@Doubting Thomas

" a bunch of farmers in the Southwest who hire Mexican laborers but voted for Trump, and are now afraid that their workforce is going to be deported."

From what I read during the election, Trump "voters" were afraid Hillary would murder babies and use them for salad dressing, not because they were enthusiastic about Trump.

OTOH maybe they're just that gullible and didn't think it through until after Jan 19.

3/20/2017 5:12:57 AM

Doubting Thomas

He said that as a joke on a recent episode of Jimmy Kimmel Live!, but a Washington Post story explains that it’s not much of a joke to Allen or to a “clandestine support group” of other Hollywood conservatives who are frightened of being “excommunicated from the church of tolerance.”


So let me get this straight... he's afraid that his conservative views will get him blackballed in Hollywood, so he conducts public interviews telling everyone that he has conservative views?

he said people should “forget the stupid shit [Trump] says about immigrants,” because it’s “just ignorant” and should apparently be ignored if Trump can “do the stuff that really needs fixing.”


The problem with that is that everyone who forgot the stupid shit Trump said about immigration are now experiencing voter's remorse because Trump is trying to follow through with the stupid shit he said. Like, for instance, a bunch of farmers in the Southwest who hire Mexican laborers but voted for Trump, and are now afraid that their workforce is going to be deported. FFS people, do you need to be taught how to vote? If Candidate X says he plans to to X, Y, and Z, you don't vote for him if you don't want him to do X, Y, and Z. Or is it the case that you just pretend you're against X, Y, and Z because if you said you were for those things it would make you look bad?

3/20/2017 5:19:22 AM

The Crimson Ghost

Maybe Tim is back on the coke.

If the Stormtrumpers don't like being viewed as assholes, then perhaps they shouldn't act like assholes, nor should they support the most incompetent occupant to have ever squatted in the OO, & his legion of Tyrants.

3/20/2017 6:16:09 AM

Kanna

"...do the stuff that needs fixing" and "making America great" sound like fine slogans. But at the base of any action lie the dollars and cents, and the division of people into "who benefits" and "who is hurt". When the net result of a presidential action is that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, it's no longer an abstract slogan. At that point it sounds a lot more like a deliberate plot to deceive and impoverish Americans.

3/20/2017 9:11:35 AM

Demon Duck of Doom

Waaah, the privileged rich boy is being criticized for his stupid ideas, waaaah.

3/20/2017 9:46:35 AM

No One In Particular

Yeah, Hollywood stars are so, so oppressed. Give me a fuckin' break. Get over yourselves. Some people are barely scraping by, making just enough money to feed themselves, let alone a family, while also having to worry about all the other expenses in life, like rent/mortgage, gas, or car insurance. Now, thanks to Drumpf, their problems just increased tenfold. Get the fuck out of here, Tim.

3/20/2017 10:24:19 AM

Volcheka

For most of this, the AV Club needs a sarcasm font. As for Mr. Allen, lie down with the dogs, rise up with fleas.

3/20/2017 11:53:26 AM

Shadowbell

Dammit, I used to like him!

3/20/2017 11:56:12 AM

Uilleam

Dammit, not Buzz Lightyear! I feel like my childhood just got sniped in the head...

3/20/2017 12:21:23 PM

SpukiKitty

OH, NO! NOT TIM THE TOOL-MAN, TOO!

I THOUGHT YOU WERE COOL, TIM!

I heard he was Conservative but I didn't know he was a WINGNUT!

*******

So! Let's review....
* A comedian known for his intellectual snarkiness, clever wordplay and endless pop-culture references is a wingnut.
* That hilariously-droning "Cool Old Nerd" guy from that Ferris Bueller is a wingnut (however, he was Nixon's speechwriter).
* That cute girl that played Teri in the movie UHF is a frumpy old crazy wingnut lady.
* One of the hosts/writers of my favorite 90s movie-riffing comedy show is a Right-Winger (but thankfully is still mostly apolitical in his humor and very funny and cool).
* The drummer for The Velvet Underground....those edgy, proto-punk 60s-Counterculture musical cult icons extraordinaire, is some dumpy Tea Party hag.
* One of the great pioneering neurosurgeons is a wingnut idiot who pathologically lies.
* A cartoonist who creates a bunch of clever comics about life in the office is a misogynosphere kook.
* A action star known for martial-arts awesomesauce and a once-popular internet meme is a wingnut.
* Hercules who also is flying around Andromeda is a wingnut.
* Some really cool, funny and talented YouTube personalities are wingnut Alt-Fascist boobs.
* Now Buzz The Toolman has turned out to be a tool!

WHAT THE HELL'S GOING ON HERE?!

3/20/2017 1:56:48 PM



Well, if one believed that conservatives really were being oppressed, then speaking out would be an act of courage. It's not a particularly meaningful act of courage to anyone except the one who speaks out if they're not actually being oppressed.

"My views are no longer mainstream" is not in itself oppression, but it can certainly *feel* like it to those whose identities revolve around certain ideas being mainstream. Especially if they've never experienced real oppression. That's just a form of cognitive dissonance.

3/20/2017 2:38:45 PM

Daspletosaurus

@SpukiKitty: can you please explain who's who? I was able to figure out some of them, but not all.

3/20/2017 2:48:50 PM

Uilleam

@Daspletosaurus

I'm gonna try and name the ones I can:

* Not sure on this one, can Spuki fill me in?
* Ben Stein
* Victoria Jackson
* Mike Nelson (the show is Mystery Science Theatre 3000)
* Maureen "Moe" Tucker
* Ben Carson
* Scott Adams (creator of Dilbert)
* Chuck Norris
* Kevin Sorbo
* Jon "JonTron" Jafari comes to mind immediately
* And of course, Tim Allen

3/20/2017 3:10:21 PM

Daspletosaurus

@Uilleam: could the first one be Steve Harvey?

3/20/2017 3:46:17 PM

SpukiKitty

Oh! Okay. Here goes....
* Dennis Miller.
* Ben Stein
* Victoria Jackson.
* Michael J. Nelson.
* Maureen Tucker.
* Dr. Ben Carson.
* Scott Adams.
* Chuck Norris.
* Kevin Sorbo.
* PewDePie, JohnTron, etc.
* Tim Allen.

3/20/2017 3:51:34 PM

Kid Cthulhu

@Spuki-chan: Michael J. Nelson?! Say it ain't so! The rest of the crew were so progressive! I mean, have you ever read TV's Frank's book?

3/20/2017 5:32:41 PM

SpukiKitty

@Kid Cthulhu
To Mikeybun's credit; He's still an incredibly cool guy and very funny.

(That's my nicknames for those two; 'Joeliecakes' and 'Mikeybuns'. The former was a name 'Dr. Forester' called Joel, once.)

3/21/2017 11:42:01 AM

Anon-e-moose

There are those regretting their decision, re. 'Brexit'.

No wonder Donald Fart's approval rating is just 39%. (Source: Gallup; 21/3/17)

Expect to have your 'Buzz Lightyear' role in any future "Toy Story" film recast, Timmy.

And you starred alongside Alan Rickman & Sigourney Weaver in "Galaxy Quest".



By Grabthar's hammer...!

3/21/2017 1:12:47 PM

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