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so where does the issue go from here? Time will tell. It took William Wilberforce more than 30 years to bring about an end to Britain's slave trade in the 1800s. Unfortunately, we do not have the luxury of a protracted victory.

If the battle to protect marriage takes even five more years, liberal judges and activists will have destroyed this 5,000-year-old institution, which was designed by the Creator, Himself. Even now, they are close to achieving that coveted objective.

James Dobson, CNN.Com 36 Comments [6/29/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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whitewater55

Dobson is a tool.
As in a hard-on with ears!

6/30/2006 2:11:53 AM

Savrin

How in the FUCK does ending slavery, a very bad thing, equate with 'protecting marriage', a bullshit idea from the christianists?

6/30/2006 2:13:32 AM

Napoleon the Clown

Christianity doesn't hold a monopoly on marriage, jackhole.

6/30/2006 2:20:08 AM

Blurb

Ol' Jimmy D is kinda like the fundie's fundie.

6/30/2006 2:23:35 AM

Bob_Zimmerman

Uh ...

Uhhh ........

When the slave trade ended, that was a victory for equality. What he is talking about is a victory against equality. I really wish that these people would learn to make proper comparisons. For that matter, I wish they would remember way back when, when segregation was ending and blacks and whites wanted to get married to people of the other race. Exactly the same arguments were used. Word-for-word the same.

Any time anyone compares the struggle for racial civil equality with the fight against same-sex marriage, I reserve the right to call him a racist.

Mister Dobson is quite the racist, don't you think?



On second thought, it could even be that he was saying that it took someone thirty years to end the slave trade and that people working against the things he wants are even faster now. \"It took William Wilberforce thirty years to end what God commanded, and things are so much worse that other commandments could fall in as little as five!\"

6/30/2006 2:53:42 AM

Star Cluster

I'm just curious about this topic of gay marriage. How in hell, if gays are given the right to marry, is it going to make me and my wife less married. This is something I just don't quite follow. Maybe I'm dense or something, but I just don't see how allowing gay marriages would \"destroy the institution of marriage.\" My mother and father were married by a Justice of the Peace during WWII. Does this mean they were less married than me and my wife, who were married by a minister (during my church going days?) And now that I'm an atheist, has \"what God has joined together\" been torn asunder? I don't think so. My wife and I will celebrate 30 years of marriage on our next anniversary. I think for a godless couple, we've done a damn sight better than over half the fundie marriages.

6/30/2006 3:54:07 AM

Julian

You sick fucks didn't invent marriage, you just purloined it.

Oh, and here's some of what the bible says on marriage.


TOP 15 BIBLICAL WAYS TO ACQUIRE A WIFE

Find an attractive prisoner of war, bring her home, shave her head, trim her nails, and give her new clothes. Then she's yours. --(Deuteronomy 21:11-13)

Find a prostitute and marry her. --(Hosea 1:1-3)

Find a man with seven daughters, and impress him by watering his flock. --Moses (Exodus 2:16-21)

Purchase a piece of property, and get a woman as part of the deal. --Boaz (Ruth 4:5-10)

Go to a party and hide. When the women come out to dance, grab one and carry her off to be your wife. --Benjaminites (Judges 21:19-25)

Have God create a wife for you while you sleep. Note: this will cost you a rib. --Adam (Genesis 2:19-24)

Agree to work seven years in exchange for a woman's hand in marriage. Get tricked into marrying the wrong woman. Then work another seven years for the woman you wanted to marry in the first place. That's right. Fourteen years of toil for a woman. --Jacob (Genesis 29:15-30)

Cut off 200 foreskins off of your future father-in-law's enemies and get his daughter for a wife. --David (I Samuel 18:27)

Even if no one is out there, just wander around a bit and you'll definitely find someone. (It's all relative of course.) --Cain (Genesis 4:16-17)

Become the emperor of a huge nation and hold a beauty contest. --Xerxes or Ahasuerus (Esther 2:3-4)

When you see someone you like, go home and tell your parents, \"I have seen a ... woman; now get her for me.\" If your parents question your decision, simply say, \"Get her for me. She's the one for me.\" --Samson (Judges 14:1-3)

Kill any husband and take his wife. (Prepare to lose four sons though). --David (2 Samuel 11)

Wait for your brother to die. Take his widow. (It's not just a good idea, it's the law). --Onan and Boaz (Deuteronomy or Leviticus, example in Ruth)

Don't be so picky. Make up for quality with quantity. --Solomon (1 Kings 11:1-3)


6/30/2006 4:07:22 AM

TammyFaye

damn. i didn't know that my wish to one day be married is, in the big picture, doing the same harm to others as chaining down africans in ships, sending them across the ocean and enslaving them. why am i so selfish?

6/30/2006 4:26:19 AM

Papabear

Marriage was designed by \"God?\" Source citation please.

Dobson is an idiot, a dangerous, assoholic idiot.

6/30/2006 5:28:35 AM

Redhunter

Wrong. Lies. Paranoia.

That pretty much sums it up.
Oh yeah, fuck you dipshit.

6/30/2006 6:45:44 AM

Seomah

LET THERE BE LIGHT!

LET THERE BE MARRIAGE! /ominous voice

boy that would be fun.

6/30/2006 7:46:54 AM

Jezebel's Evil Sister Bernice

Star Cluster: \"Maybe I'm dense or something, but I just don't see how allowing gay marriages would \"destroy the institution of marriage.\"\"

Well, I've always thought that the most vocal homophobes are actually latent homosexuals who are trying to repress and disguise their true orientation. (That's why they are so obsessed with the physical ins and outs of gay sex.) So, those who are leading the fight against same-sex marriage apparently think that if gay marriage were allowed, everybody would want one, so there would be no more heterosexual coupling, and accordingly, there would be no more births, so the entire population would die off in a generation. Really, it's so obvious!

6/30/2006 12:22:28 PM

Tig

I've always said if you can't marry the one you really love, then you're gonna end up marrying the wrong person (or not at all). And doesn't that really fuck up families?

6/30/2006 1:43:09 PM

nico

the concept of marriage has always been evolving, as it should. Today it should an institution on love between two equals. the \"Traditional marriage\" in the biblical era was a transfer of property (wife) between the father to her new owner. do these fundies wish to go back to that era?

6/30/2006 1:43:28 PM

Julian

Nico - don't forget to check out the pink slips first!

6/30/2006 1:49:26 PM

David D.G.

Extending the right of marriage to include gays does not diminish it for straights, any more than allowing people to own cats has any effect on those who only want to own dogs -- less, in fact, since allergies are not a factor.


~David D.G.

6/30/2006 1:57:37 PM

MK

Ah, good ol' Dobson. I saw a great bumper sticker at the YMCA this morning:

\"Focus on your OWN damn family!\"

6/30/2006 2:04:55 PM

Sungrazer

I was annoyed all day yesterday at work after reading this commentary, particularly the reader responses, and specifically David's and Donna's.

\"Oh, God, the terrible tyranny of the majority.\" -Fahrenheit 451

Earlier this month I attempted to submit a quote from another CNN
commentary
, this one by Kay Warren, wife of Rick.

Christians are just as guilty as non-Christians of wanting to look the other way when it comes to the problems confronting our world, the topics that make us uncomfortable. But we need to be seriously disturbed about homelessness, child prostitution, rape, poverty, injustice, and HIV/AIDS.

More than implying that non-Christians aren't disturbed by these things.

Sorry to go off topic!

6/30/2006 3:20:47 PM

anon

\"5,000-year-old institution\"???

What happened the first thousand years, then, since they always say the world is 6,000 years old? Is he saying that *gasp* Adam and Eve weren't properly married? For shame, Dobson, for shame.

6/30/2006 4:00:28 PM

Nezu Chiza

I'm just trying to get my mind around how the Xian concept of marriage, which is what fundies are always touting, could exist three thousand years before Xianity. And from what I recall, I don't believe the bible ever said Adam and Eve were married in the first place, so doesn't that destroy their whole arguement right off?

6/30/2006 5:19:48 PM

kmisho

Marriage was not designed by the creator.

It was created by the designer!

6/30/2006 6:26:07 PM

Phil

What I don't grok is, if they're so up in arms about gay marriage destroying marriage, why in heck aren't they trying to ban divorce? Surely that, literally, destroys marriage and 'tears asunder what God has joined'?

Oh, what's that? It's really about bigotry, not the sanctity of marriage (that's just the cover-story)? Right-o then, skipper.

6/30/2006 9:32:02 PM

honestchristian

The concept of marriage HAS changed in 5,000 years. Most men in the Old Testament were married to hundreds of women, and had concubines on the side. So if we are really going to go with a true biblical concept then monogamy is ridiculous and can be argued against.
Something else to remember, it was only 50 years ago that these same Christians, like James Dobson would have argued against whites marrying blacks too. And anyway Christian marriages have the highest rate of divorce of any group, once they get it right then maybe they will have some say in who gets married and who shouldn't.

6/30/2006 10:11:09 PM

Bob_Zimmerman

Phil - \"What I don't grok is, if they're so up in arms about gay marriage destroying marriage, why in heck aren't they trying to ban divorce? Surely that, literally, destroys marriage and 'tears asunder what God has joined'?\"

Actually, some are trying to ban divorce. My own state legislators have been working on making no-fault divorces illegal. I doubt they're heartless enough to try and block faulted divorces (such as in the case of spousal abuse), though.

7/1/2006 7:34:14 AM



Julian for the win!

2/10/2008 10:46:02 PM

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