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You are overlooking the fact that Hitler never had any intention of invading the British Isles, and did not want war in the West. Britain should not have declared war on Germany in 1939, by doing so it destroyed itself economically and militarily and lost all of its empire.

The UK and France should have remained neutral and allowed the Axis Powers a free hand against the Soviet Union. Nobody did more to destroy Britain's world status than Churchill, and this view is widely held today.

DanielPeggoty, Wikipedia 17 Comments [9/9/2017 9:35:44 AM]
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Happy Atheist

A worthy sacrifice, I should think. One ill-gotten empire in exchange for taking down a man who was literally Hitler? As a Brit born and bred, I'd definitely say so.

9/9/2017 9:37:51 AM



If he didn't want war in the West why did he declare war on the US then after the US declared war on Japan?

9/9/2017 9:50:14 AM

hydrolythe

"You are overlooking the fact that Hitler never had any intention of invading the British Isles, and did not want war in the West. Britain should not have declared war on Germany in 1939, by doing so it destroyed itself economically and militarily and lost all of its empire."

Considering the fact that the US and UK were in a military keynesian economy at the time it may have actually boosted their economy instead of making it lag behind that of the SU.

"The UK and France should have remained neutral and allowed the Axis Powers a free hand against the Soviet Union."

Except that in the early stages of the war the Soviet Union was almost a literal ally of Nazi Germany. Stalin himself ordered that there would be no opposition against Hitler's regime by any who call themselves Stalinist. Besides, it's Hitler who wanted a war against France and the UK, and he got one.

"Nobody did more to destroy Britain's world status than Churchill, and this view is widely held today."

This is true, but it overlooks that Churchill was a racist and imperial colonialist that was just barely sane enough to not be convinced by Hitler's Nazi ideology (perhaps De Gaulle may have helped him realize how stupid "Mein Kampf" was).

9/9/2017 9:56:09 AM

Skide

What was operation seelowe, you miserably uneducated twat?

9/9/2017 10:17:16 AM



Hitler had a non-aggression pact with the Soviets at the time he invaded Poland, who was an ally of Britain and France, who he also invaded and carpet bombed. What history books are you reading?

9/9/2017 10:29:49 AM

checkmate

this view is widely held today


Held widely by whom? By you and your pals down at the corner tavern?

9/9/2017 2:13:51 PM

Kanna

That's the easiest way to fight a war: sit at home and google stuff with the benefit of hindsight.

9/9/2017 2:17:28 PM

Chloe

The British Empire was already starting to break up by WW1. WW2 just sped up the process.

9/9/2017 2:29:34 PM

Hasher

"Widely held" does not mean "Held all across my little paranoid internet bybble".

9/9/2017 4:45:12 PM

conscience

History fail

9/9/2017 5:28:36 PM

Anon-e-moose

Operation Sea Lion.

Especially when 'The Few' - in their Spitfires & Hurricanes - made Shitler cack himself at the mere thought of invading my country.

You are overlooking the fact that Hitler never had any intention of invading the British Isles


You are overlooking the Channel Isles.

Your call.

Nobody did more to destroy Britain's world status than Churchill, and this view is widely held today


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2670506/winston-churchill-bust-oval-office-white-house-donald-trump/



Your call II.

Look at the above photo. So Donald Fart wants to be destroyed? He's certainly succeeding in - going by your own logic, if we take such to it's ultimate conclusion - the destruction of America's world status. By the way, Churchill was half-American.

Previously - between 2008-2016 - there was a bust of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. there.

Your call III, and you've struck out.

9/9/2017 6:06:02 PM



He's not entirely wrong, actually - Hitler admired the UK and thought there was a possibility of a UK-German alliance, and made several attempts to forge one in the years leading up to WW2. Unfortunately for him, he was blind to the simple fact that he was upsetting the balance of power in Europe in a manner the UK was opposed to, and attacking countries the UK saw as friends and allies. Theoretically, the UK could have remained neutral (not so much France - Hitler despised the French and would likely have invaded France anyway), but, at best, would have probably ended up a very much junior partner in a partnership with Hitler's Reich, which would have spanned pretty much the whole of mainland Europe, and possibly beyond, if this alternate history Hitler violated the Soviet non-aggression pact and struck eastwards like the actual history Hitler did. At worst, the UK would have found itself economically and physically isolated by Hitler's Reich, or possibly forced to enter the war much later than they actually did, because Hitler decided he wanted the British Isles under his dominion as well and launched an invasion.

9/9/2017 9:42:49 PM

Shepard Solus

Someone doesn't realize that "Hitler did nothing wrong" is a joke.

9/9/2017 10:38:10 PM

Gabriel LaVedier

Churchill was a racist drunk but so we're a lot of folks in history. They can't all be as openly noble and progressive as Charles Darwin or William Wilberforce. But he still oversaw their finest hour and carried that sceptered isle, that other Eden, through the onslaught of the indomitable Hun. Until he had no choice but to eat lead aspirin for the pounding headache of Soviet and Allied shelling.

9/10/2017 11:24:39 AM

Kadorhal

You are overlooking the fact that Hitler never had any intention of invading the British Isles, and did not want war in the West.


Yeah, the parts in 1940 and '41 where Germany was attacking Britain with both V2s and the Luftwaffe were just fucking party favors and fireworks to make them feel better about having to evacuate the mainland.

9/10/2017 3:08:45 PM

Titania

Let's see, you received a F for Modern History.

The main reason that they didn't launch Operation Seelowe, is that they would have taken a pounding from the Royal Navy. They had already copped a pounding from the RAF during the Battle of Britain. Luckily for the Allies, Hitler launched an invasion of Russia instead.

9/10/2017 9:57:56 PM

rubber chicken

The UK and France should have remained neutral and allowed the Axis Powers a free hand against the Soviet Union. Nobody did more to destroy Britain's world status than Churchill, and this view is widely held today."

Only amongst those who are unaware that Churchill was not in any position of power on Sept 3rd 1939 when Britain and France declared war on Germany. The person you are looking for is Neville Chamberlain.

9/10/2017 10:57:07 PM

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