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You know what doesn't help animals? Sitting on your ass apologizing for the carnists and trying to protect them. Why would you even try defending carnists? Had you been a non-human by birth they would have treated you as an inferior.

You're assuming violence in the name of animal rights is wrong. It's not. Violence is a very effective means to achieve animal rights, as well. When people realize that their lives are at stake by choosing to go to work at a vivisection laboratory, fur farm, slaughter house or a fast food restaurant, they'll quit working.

No amount of 'non-violence' (don't even know what you're talking about, the ALF has not engaged in ANY violence - four of their members DIED fighting for animal rights) will work on some carnists, in fact most of the people profiting off of exploiting animals know what they're doing is wrong and what why your against it - why would you even think that there would be some peaceful way to change these carnist bigots minds? Arguing with these psychotic carnists is a waste of time.

This is the dead giveaway that you have no idea what you're talking about. 'Militant' animal rights activism has closed down fur farms, gotten more people to join the movement, shed light to how animals are treated on in laboratories and freed many animals.

The law and what animal rights activists are labeled become irrelevant once you get into the ethics of what is being done. Remember the law is written by carnists, working or getting lobbied by other carnists who are making big profits from exploiting animals.

I personally live by 'do unto others as you would have done to yourself', which in my opinion is greater that 'non-violence' because if somebody is treating others violently, they should be treated violently. Not be given a pat on the back and told 'Don't worry, buddy; I believe in non-violence - even though I don't agree with your choices'.

Blood-Wiper, r/vegan 7 Comments [9/10/2017 7:45:56 AM]
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Happy Atheist

Even by your own standards, you don't live by 'do unto others as you would have done to yourself'. It's a common mistake. You live by 'do unto others as you see them do unto others'.

It's a pretty basic case of He Who Fights Monsters.

9/10/2017 8:23:52 AM


What about working for the US government? They have done their best to remove regulations making all those things more humane to animals.

Carnists? Sounds like mobile amusement park workers. No, that's carnies, right? Still the same root, as carny comes from "carnevale", i.e. farewell to the flesh (before lent), and "carnist" is probably carnivore... If you can find a human that eats ONLY meat-products, then we'll discuss the matter.

My husband was a "meat, potato and gravy" kind of guy when I met him. After decades of socializing with my half-vegetarian family, he doesn't even bat an eye when I serve a non-meat dinner for the third day in a row. No violence needed at all, just serving him delicious non-meat meals, and making little or no fuzz about it.

If you close one fur farm down, but there's still demand for furs, a new one will soon open up in another area. You need to change people's views about things like fur, ivory, rain-forest wood products, etc, and that is best done with information, not violence.

I saw a movie clip about scientists making glue for wounds, using mussels. What do you think about that, dearie? Do we have the right to kill a lot of mussels to heal our wounds easier? Or are mussels not cute enough to want to fight for?

9/10/2017 8:49:09 AM


Definitely. A people-hater instead of an animal lover.

9/10/2017 8:56:10 AM

Demon Duck of Doom

Have any ALF members ACTUALLY been killed for their terrorism?

9/10/2017 8:45:56 PM

The Angry Dybbuk

That ethical line I go on and on about...here's what someone about to cross it could look like.

Note how he so firmly believes he's right; that he should be supported in targeting others whom he sees as inferior - in this case, because they work in any way with meat.

9/11/2017 12:24:36 AM


Well, if driving people away from your movement, getting put on watch lists, and social stigma are your goals, making your group a bunch of violent extremists is the way to go. Otherwise, non-violence and reason tend to go farther in the long run, and cause you fewer problems.

Then again, you're an omnivore that wants to violently suppress half of the diet your species bodies need in the percentage of the population that doesn't agree with your position. So I suspect you already have the extremist part down.

9/11/2017 8:21:52 AM


You know what doesn't help animals? Sitting on your ass

...so, sit on a donkey instead?

Ai thenk yaw! I'm here all week. Try the pony nuts, vegans! >:D

9/11/2017 4:05:14 PM

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