Quote# 131452

MCrow:
Religion offers no explanation of consciousness either. In fact, it takes it for granted. Science has difficulty because consciousness is a subjective concept which no one else is capable of experiencing. This is moving from science to philosophy, but there are scientific explanations of how consciousness arises, and again, google is your friend. Wikipedia has some information on it as well

Amos Moses:
yeah ... it surely does ....... "consciousness is a subjective concept which no one else is capable of experiencing" ... and yet we all do .... and it is not subjective .... if it is then all your observations are subjective ....... INCLUDING any science ........ so that is obviously wrong ............ nope .... not moving anywhere except you are running from what you clearly know but cannot accept ....... science has no explanation for human consciousness and you cant even begin to get to empathy and the rest of your worldview as you would like it to be ........ AND YOU KNOW IT ..........

MCrow:
Consciousness is something we cannot share as an experience. I cannot know the way you interpret data. This is true, and if you claim otherwise, you are lying. That said, reality is objective, and consciousness can evolve as a reaction to pressure. For example, the ability to predict and anticipate. These things allow creatures with consciousness to have advantage over those that do not

Amos Moses:
then YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE of empathy as a path to morality and your position is a LIE ............

MCrow:
Consciousness exists, but each consciousness is different and we are incapable of experiencing other consciousness. We can express it through communication.
Seriously, why is this so difficult to understand

Amos Moses:
you are trying to make a connection between EMPATHY and morality .... and you cannot .... and while your last statement is correct ........ it has NOT ONE THING to do with the assertion you made .... science has no ability to ACCOUNT for how human consciousness arose .... and then how empathy came about and how that was the path to morality .... it is all absolute garbage ......... sounds good in your head i guess as you continue to deny God in your creation ..... but you lack ANY EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER ...........

Bruce Wang:
Here is a paper you need to have a look at, called "The Complex Relation between Morality and Empathy". Replace the semicolon with a period. Just one will do.
spihub;org/site/resource_files/publications/spi_wp_135_decety.pdf


Amos Moses, Christian News Network 6 Comments [9/9/2017 11:57:03 AM]
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The Angry Dybbuk

Beyond the OBVIOUS stupidity ... ... why ...oh WHY ...does that MORON, Amos, write ... like he doesn't UNDERSTAND sentence structure or PUNCTUATION?!

ETA: ......

9/9/2017 12:06:15 PM

Malingspann

"science has no ability to ACCOUNT for how human consciousness arose .... and then how empathy came about and how that was the path to morality .... it is all absolute garbage"

One of the garbage anti-science beliefs of fundies: If science doesn't have an explanation for something NOW, there *is* no natural explanation. Therefore God.

9/9/2017 12:10:16 PM

Jocasta McFucken

"Just one will do"


9/9/2017 1:02:14 PM

Kanna

Why, oh why, do people attempt to have a real discussion with this man? He is just the stereotypical "pigeon on the chessboard"

9/9/2017 1:59:05 PM

Anon-e-moose

Rainbows don't physically exist, therefore how can they be perceived subjectively?



Here is a photo you need to look at, entitled 'Prophecy of Same-Sex Marriage being Approved of by your God, as - it's appearance during the Diamond Jubilee of Queen Elizabeth II: Head of the Church of England Whose Reading of Such Legislation the Following Year Makes the 2013 Marriage (Same-Sex Couples) Act the Law of the Land and Therefore your God's Holy Writ, as per Romans 13:1-5 - Proved Via it Being Witnessed by the Multitudes'...

...objectively.

The only possible alternative being that "The Matrix" is a documentary, therefore you had better welcome your new machine overlords - as they use you as an organic AA battery - if you know what's good for you.

Your subjective opinion-based 'argument' being a mess is the least of your problems, Amess.

9/9/2017 6:31:20 PM

KingOfRhye

@Kanna

I think it's more for the benefit of anyone else, that might actually have half a brain, that would happen to read the conversations. Cus, yeah, I definitely gave up on trying to get Amos to understand a logical argument a while back, but I'll still talk to him once in a while.

Or, I should say, I give up on him MAKING a logical argument, as well....I mean, what the hell? If I can't come up with a scientific explanation for consciousness, I can't have morals, is that what he's saying? When the only explanation he can come up with is not even an explanation at all?

9/9/2017 8:01:11 PM

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