Amos Moses #fundie

Amos Moses #fundie christiannews.net

you are working off a fantasy in your mind because you reject God .......... if there is no God then there is no objective morality .... if there is no objective morality ..... then it is ALL just your opinion .... no matter who or how many you may convince to agree with you .... if there is no God .....

1. The Nazis were not wrong - its just your opinion

2. Love is no better than rape - might be unfashionable but not wrong

3. Blowing up innocent people watching a marathon is no morally
different than feeding the poor - it just your opinion

4. Religious crusades are not wrong - because there is no standard for
righteousness

5. Tolerance is no better than intolerance - why tolerate anything

6. There are no human rights - it is just your opinion

7. Atheist cannot justify morality

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old comment by Happy Atheist

Even if there is no objective morality, there is still subjective morality. Things are still right and wrong, just subjectively.

To the Nazis, the Nazis were indeed not wrong. To the rest of us, they were.

To an unstable, violent sociopath, love may not be better than rape. To the rest of us, it is.

To a terrorist, blowing up people perceived to be the enemy would be a highly moral act. To the rest of us, it is abhorrent.

To crusaders, killing people perceived to be the enemy would be a highly moral act. To the rest of us, it is abhorrent.

To the selfish, tolerance is worse than intolerance. To the rest of us, tolerance makes the greatest number of people happy.

Human rights, like laws, are created by us. That doesn't make them any less real.

And to counter your seventh point, see the above.

old comment by Pharaoh Bastethotep

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PS:
@Norman:
Extremists of all stripes often believe that their pet theories are self-evident and intuitively known to everyone, so anyone who disagrees is either lying/self-deceiving or brainwashed. Compare "False Consciousness" (Marxism) and "Blue Pill" (internet bigots).

old comment by Salami

Genocide, especially when done under the reasoning of bettering the human race, is always wrong. It was wrong when people did it in the pre-biblical days, it was wrong when people did it in the post-biblical days, and it is wrong now. Yes its an opinion that some people deserve to genocided, but its not an opinion worth my respect or anybody else's.

And if morality cannot exist without God, explain Hammurabi's Code. It was carved into steles (think really big rocks) and tablets around 1754 BC in Babylonia, and is one of the earliest examples of an official law in a human civilization. Its important because while everybody had an idea of what was right and what was wrong, they didn't have any legal way of seeking justice. So they came up with their own, often violent, justice or just dealt somehow. Which has a tendency of reducing a civilization's population and causing a lot of stress. So Hammurabi, then the king of Babylonia, laid down what were to be considered suitable punishments for varying crimes as well as how much you should pay people for various jobs, how to handle divorces, and other stuff. He also established a police system and a very basic judiciary system (which was largely unfettered and not exactly the greatest, but still better than nothing). In fact, he considered himself, as the kings before him, as being chosen by God to take on God's task of enlightening civilization, and interpreted his task to do so as needing laws and law enforcement. Meanwhile, Judaism had yet to begin to form and wouldn't gain several of its key traits such as monotheism until hundreds of years later. And yet, Hammurabi was able to come up with a rather enlightened legal system that was very ahead of its time considering that he did the best he could think of to make the punishment fit the severity of the crime, set a minimum wage for the jobs at the time, and gave poor people a chance to actually bring the criminal to justice if they were a victim of a crime.

old comment by Swede

Have you visited a sale of punctuation marks, or what?

No, WE are working with reality in our minds, because we reject imaginary friends.
God has no objective morality either, dearie.
We humans have agreed on a list of rights and freedoms, called Human Rights, or Civil Rights. Those are not opinions, those are part of an agreed contract, that all nations have signed.

Most people live by the Golden Rule, which is much more objective than God's supposed "morality". Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

1. I don't want to be annihilated - the Nazis were, and ARE, very, very wrong.
2. I don't want to be raped, but I want to be loved. Rape is bad, love is good.

Unfashionable? UNFASHIONABLE? Let's be a bit unfashionable to you and see how not wrong you find it, you horrible excuse for a human being.

3. Again, I don't want to be killed, so blowing up people is wrong.
4. Again, killing people is wrong.
5. Tolerance is a step towards love. Intolerance is close to hatred. Love feels better than hatred.
6. Like I said in the beginning, ALL countries have agreed on Human Rights, they are NOT opinion.
7. We CAN justify morality, you can not. The only thing you say is "because God says so". But God says "Go out and smite the Amalekites, man, woman, child, cow and sheep.". That's his opinion, is it?

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