Quote# 131485

(This vegan fundie is responding to a post about destroying traps for animals -- rural farmers in the USA use them to feed their family)

I live in northern Ontario and am surrounded by hunters and guess what? not a single one of them hunts "to feed their family". it's all sport, all bloodlust and "tradition". they're literally all out of shape, beer swilling pieces of shit who still buy meat at the grocery store to eat as well. so fuck them.

I am fucking elated at this post! I wish I had the resources, as well as a few other vegan companions who were willing to go out and do this. hunting in the developed world is absolutely, 100%, selfish and unnecessary.

durtyarms, r/vegan 17 Comments [9/10/2017 3:36:17 AM]
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Kanna

In terms of absolute suffering, the bigger the animal, the less suffering-per-meal-provided. A family can eat well for days on a large animal, such as a deer, but one person can devour entire tribes of shrimp at a sitting.

Here's your two cents.

9/10/2017 6:37:27 AM

creativerealms

Sadly given the way society is today most hunting is for sport.

9/10/2017 8:27:29 AM

Shepard Solus

When you get shot--and you will when they've had enough of your bullshit. I've seen this exact scenario play out several times--remember that you went out of your way to provoke it. That at some point you got it into your stupid little head that wandering alone into the woods to repeatedly fuck with people with guns and no witnesses was a good idea.

9/10/2017 9:52:13 AM

Phil O'Macedon

I haven't hunted in years. But if you were to suddenly stop hunting, animals like deer and squirrels would quickly consume the food supply in large areas and then they would all starve miserably. Wild and feral hogs are increasing in numbers to the points they are a major nuisance and even dangerous, with hunting.

9/10/2017 10:34:31 AM

Chloe

As long as they don't break laws or cause undue suffering, I don't care if they hunt. The money for liscences goes to conservation programs.

9/10/2017 1:38:17 PM

Anon-e-moose

Ah, so you support bulk-buying from supermarkets/butchers, then?!

Enjoy your paradox.

9/10/2017 2:28:27 PM

Man Called True

And yet I doubt you'll ever go out and sabotage traps yourself, you cowardly little asshole.

9/10/2017 6:58:02 PM

Salami

How do you know that the trap is for a hunter though? Almost all modern hunting traps are actually not Victorian era horrors, and some are only designed to capture, not kill, the animal. I remember once a shelter I used to volunteer for got a report about a dog that they believe was thrown out of the window of a car. The poor thing was cold, starving, injured, and terrified of people. The shelter people had little choice but to trap the dog using food as bait so that they could take the dog to a place where it would be healed, fed, kept warm, loved, taught to trust people again, and eventually sent to live in a loving, happy home. You bet they would have been pissed if some vegan destroyed the trap and started lecturing them on how hunting is murder and how all animals are meant to be in nature.

That and it may shock you to hear that food deserts can have consumable animals living there. It may well be possible for residents of food deserts to shop at a grocery store, but not always feasible considering the long distance travel as well as money being tight. Sometimes trapping animals is the best option. Destroying traps could actually severely limit people's food supply-- and hey, you don't seem to be willing to donate vegan food on a regular basis to these folks to supplement the lost meat.

And depending on what is being hunted, hunting might actually have very little ecological impact. Deer hunting, for example, has been shown in several studies to actually have no effect on deer populations. So long as hunters continue to not go over the top about it, they will not drive deer to extinction-- that and I suspect deer have dealt with animals that want to eat them since they came into being and so can reproduce accordingly to supplement the losses. Actually, hunters in general are very interested in conservation. Sport and game hunters often view themselves as taking on their natural role as apex predators, and like any apex predator it would not serve them well to drive their prey to extinction.

And as somebody who has met a fair amount of hunters, the beer swilling stereotype isn't true. Some do enjoy drinking alcohol in moderation while hunting, but they never go out to get drunk and shoot animals. Because its common sense that drunkenness and potentially deadly weapons don't go well together and no hunter wants to be responsible for injuring or killing people.

Though if you do have a hunting method that's horrifically deadly and can drive any animal species to extinction, you might want to contact the Australian government. They've had an awful rabbit infestation for decades and would love to eliminate them all.

9/10/2017 8:05:17 PM

Demon Duck of Doom

Do you have any idea how many hunters are conservationists?

Also, venison is fucking delicious.

9/10/2017 9:10:55 PM

The Angry Dybbuk

Um, no; I know hunters who buy tags and whose families eat nothing, in terms of meat, but that which the hunters killed in-season before winter hits. It's part of being rural and low on money.

Beyond that, overpopulation without the usual activity of natural predators could, as others have already pointed out, lead to die-off by starvation among deer and other free roaming game animals.

ETA: And those "hunters" who go out drunk or with semiautomatic weapons they use to spray a herd, for example, often find themselves hunting very alone: No one decent will go out with them. And that's the kindest of the possible fates they face.

9/11/2017 3:37:05 AM

Canadiest

He's right about hunters. The 'tradition. hunting skills, feed my family' is bullshit. Hunters, even fishers expect you to buy this expensive hobby as an economical or survival skill practice, Thousands of dollars a year spent on pretending they could make it 'in the wild, live off the land'.

It's a sad fact that low income people simply can't afford such activity and can't just access areas where it's feasible. Farmers are geared and just happen to be able to get the odd bit of wild game because that shit is out the back door. I'm in Midwestern Ontario and hunters come from the states to get in our way, I was raised on a farm so I see right through their 'woodsman' act. They bag loads of Big Macs and steakhouse vittles on their 'hunting' trips.

To those that actually venture out for the purpose of stocking a freezer forgive me, but you know those I speak of. Like those that go cabining with 20 other fat social misfits in preparation for the inevitable muzzie/ communist red dawn. Got your Cheetos war rations?

9/11/2017 7:08:16 AM

Randomosaur

Even if that were true, shooting game animals is a good way of venting your bloodlust without killing people.

9/11/2017 11:58:09 AM



@randomouser. okay, you just admitted to being a psychopath who would gladly kill other humans if he didn't have animals around. not that I didn't get that from your comment about wanting to skin a rabbit.

9/11/2017 3:09:56 PM

Randomosaur

@2094793

I am NOT a psychopath. I do sometimes have fantasies about things like murder and mass genocide/nuking other countries but they will never materialize into anything real. They are also intermittent rather than constant, and I have a compassionate side. The other night I had a dream about finding a sick, emaciated tortoise (not a sea turtle or terrapin) on the beach and I begged to be allowed to nurse it back to health with food and water. Yes, I do like some animals more than others. In real life I also told my aunt to call the SPCA about a chained goat that was stuck to a fence and to give it a bucket of water to drink as it was a hot day.

9/11/2017 3:22:51 PM



@randomouser. so your a hypocrite, you'll call the SPCA for a cat but you don't care if a cow is tortured to death in a factory farm as long as you get to eat it's flesh? we need to eat meat to survive but I still feel bad about it. you either have compassion for ALL living things or none at all.

and if you have fantasies about murder and genocide, doesn't matter if you will never act on them, you are sick in the head.

and what happened to you only caring about species? that one cat dying wouldn't effect the entire species.

9/11/2017 4:05:00 PM

Randomosaur

@2094805

For someone who professes to not be vegan you sure do sound like one. And it was a goat, not a cat (possibly a sheep actually). And I freely admit that I am hypocritical at times. Everyone is. I'd definitely be able to quickly or even slowly slaughter a cow, crocodile or chicken to show I am OK with factory farming, that is what I mean when I said I'd torture crocs, rabbits, etc. Just to show I'm OK with controversial farming methods. Yeah, I'm probably not that right in the head.

9/11/2017 4:20:05 PM



@randomouser. you being okay with factory farming and killing an animal slowly and painfully proves my point. and it's not just vegans but society as a whole who thinks it is morally repugnant to kill animals in an inhumane manner. you are still wrong and a sick person.

9/11/2017 4:50:36 PM

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