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"...parents asking their kids to change something inherent, something that son or daughter can’t change...." But that is the problematic issue, isn't it? the jury IS still out on whether it is a "born with..." issue. And yes, you can jump all over me, but an objective look at the studies cannot come to any other conclusion.

So, that being out of the way, the really important thing is how a deals with a child that is different. And by different I mean in any possible way. My child will always, no matter what the circumstances, be my child, and therefore loved by me. Even should my child turn out to be a a Bundy or a Dahmer. I will love.
But loving does not mean that I will support ar approve every kind of behavior. And that is where problems arise.

I believe the Bible clearly teaches that homosexual behavior is sin. I do not believe that homosexual behavior is acceptable to God when "two people really love each other..." We do not make that exception in any other relationship (Well, it's okay for a 25 yr old to have a sexual relation with a 13 year old. After all, they love each other). Or polygamous relationships. We do not accept the same excuse!

Unfortunately, homosexual behavior is in the spotlight (currently). The law in the US does not allow polygamous marriages, no matter how much the woman loves her three husbands. Biblically, we have the same condemnation. Whether we like it or not, we cannot invent reasons why God should (and would) allow relationships He has forbidden. Not once, not twice...

From a personal point of view, I do not have the right to change what God has written to fit my desires. And from a personal point of view, I would love my child - but will not accept or condone behavior which is not Biblical, be that sexual or any other kind of behavior. That is part of the price of our convictions. We may not be liked and may even be ridiculed or called names or lambasted on a public forum. But that, too, is part of the price of my convictions.

Rudy Schellekens, Patheos 9 Comments [10/26/2017 7:22:46 AM]
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But your God never condemned polygamy and if you do hold your faith in the Bible you're forced to kill your son because he refuses to honor you. Also, if the US law doesn't allow polygamy I don't have to care because I don't live in the US, but seeing it legalized (and its cousin polygyny) could be a first step to the abolition of marriage as an institution reserved to the church or the state. Someting I'd strive for in my country.

10/26/2017 7:50:25 AM


Going on a bit of a rant here.

Again with the "it's sinful" BS. All the same "I don't like it, therefore it's sin, therefore it's wrong" crap. That's one of the reasons I hate the entire concept of "sin". Anybody can call anything they dislike a sin, under the excuse of "religion". Not to mention that all sin is equal. So to jerks like the OP, a "Bundy or a Dahmer" is equal to a person who does nothing but love someone else, just because the OP does not like the form of that love.

Besides, I personally would disown a child or relative of mine that's that bad as the aformentioned ones. But that's beside the point.

Rudy, I don't friggin' care what's sinful or not. All that matters to me is wether or not something is genuinly immoral. As in, "causing unrightful or disproportionate harm to someone else". As long as sin and immorality are not synonyms, I don't care about the first one.

To me, there's literally nothing wrong with either homosexuality or polygamy. Neither are immoral in my eyes because nobody gets hurt (except in BDSM, but that doesn't count). As long as the relationship remains safe, sane, and consentual, and between adults, I honestly don't care. In fact, I might even prefer experiencing polyamory and its variants. "Traditional" marriage is overrated anyway, IMHO (even though I don't speak from experience, but I digress).

And before you say anything, no. Pedophilia does not count, because it is NOT "safe, sane, and consentual, and between adults". That's the difference.

And let me ask you something, Rudy, why the frigg would an omnipotent, omniscient cosmic entity that has an entire omniverse to govern care in the slightest what happens in the private bedrooms of two being that are less than ants somewhere on some remote, backwater world? This may sound crude, but it's true. Why the hell would god care about homosexuality? Or polygamy? Because you don't like it? Well then why would god care what you like?

Seriously, stop thinking you and your opinions are so important you can dictate what other people do. You're really not that special.

10/26/2017 8:09:19 AM


You are not criticizing what your child does as much as you are criticizing what your child IS. That's not the kind of love I want to see from a parent.

10/26/2017 8:49:40 AM

Churchy LaFemme

Fortunately, I don't depend on a book written 4,000 years ago by nomads in a country thousands of miles from where I live to tell me how to do anything, especially something as important as raising a child.

10/26/2017 10:17:36 AM

rubber chicken

I'd rather have a puppy

10/26/2017 7:07:22 PM


"From a personal point of view, I do not have the right to change what God has written to fit my desires."

You do know that the Bible isn't written for you and you alone, right? It's a book that divides even Christians for Christ's sake.

10/27/2017 1:01:32 AM


That's adorable. Rudy appears to love his God unconditionally. But his own kids? The following terms, notes and conditions apply...

10/27/2017 8:40:51 AM

Phil O'macedon

Some of these types would probably optimize a dead gay child if forced to compromise.

10/27/2017 10:08:44 AM


One things for sure: I would pity that kid. Luckily it's now a hypothetical situation.

10/27/2017 2:44:31 PM

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