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I think it is important to consider that in the United States, the average life expectancy is 77 years old, while the lifespan of the average transgendered individual is 35. Defying God’s natural law has severe ramifications on physical and mental health. Pumping men with estrogen for long periods of time results in increased risk for cardiovascular problems, blood clots, and other issues ranging from excessive emotional distress to morbid obesity. For those with a family history of heart disease, this so-called “treatment” will cause cardiovascular related death more quickly than eating Big Macs and fries for every meal every day of the week while drinking gallons of soda and living a sedentary lifestyle. This is why I believe that “cross-sex hormone therapy” should be banned as it violates the first precept of the Hippocratic Oath; the strongly negative effects from this “treatment” proves God’s natural law displayed in Genesis 1:27. Therefore the most humane thing would be to reinforce proper gender roles and possibly administer an antipsychotic such as Pimozide or Thorazine, instead of doing the equivalent of giving an alcoholic a fifth of Jack Daniels as the essay clearly states. It’s enabling, it’s inhumane, and it’s inherently harmful and detrimental.—William Grimes (talk) 15:54, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

The Rev. William H. Grimes, RationalWiki 27 Comments [11/8/2017 10:44:26 AM]
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Malingspann

"in the United States, the average life expectancy is 77 years old, while the lifespan of the average transgendered individual is 35."

How much does anti-trans bigotry and violence contribute to that?

11/8/2017 10:55:53 AM

Kanna

You have the right to remain whatever gender you are. Nobody is going to seize you and change your sex forcibly, unless you really, REALLY piss off your wife or your ex or the father of your next woman.

You also have the right to butt out of other people's personal decisions.

11/8/2017 11:06:13 AM

hydrolythe

I'd love to hear what he has to say about intersex people. I think that all of sudden gender reassignment surgery is the best thing ever.

11/8/2017 11:24:15 AM

Skide

If anything lowering your testosteroner levels actually lowers your risk of heart related issues. All the rest is your drivel with no relation to reality so I`m just gonna say actually became fit for the first time in my life during my transition.

@hydrolythe

That`s how they`d love to take people like me out of the equation, so they can avoid any counterarguments and just continue on with their bigotry.

11/8/2017 12:14:09 PM

Passerby

Well something went terribly wrong with this post. This isn't even the quote I was going for.

I'll get back to this in a minute.

11/8/2017 2:42:30 PM

Titania

Don't act like you care. Bigots like yourself, are the main reason a lot of transgenders do it rough.

11/8/2017 3:33:05 PM

creativerealms

Where do you get your information Grimey Bill?

11/8/2017 3:59:09 PM

Hu’s On First

Skide:

There was a study done on Korean court eunuchs that showed they lived 18 years longer than uncastrated men of that era. Over 3% of the eunuchs lived past 100. They didn’t have a full sex reassignment but came pretty close: in Korea, eunuchs had their penises removed in addition to their testicles, which made urination difficult and unsanitary. The fact they STILL lived so much longer in spite of that is remarkable.

11/8/2017 4:55:26 PM

Anon-e-moose

Renee Ramsey:

http://www.thetransgendercenter.com/index.php/videos/102-worlds-oldest-transgender-surgery-patient-cbs-tv-interviews-dr-sherman-leis.html

Renee Ramsey was a 76 year old man. An ex-GI and Green Beret(!)


Your boyfriend Jimmy Wilcum's obsession - that is Freudian in it's psychological depth & complexity - with 'Real Men' being destroyed is the least of your problems, Billy Grimy.

As is your 'argument's right to exist.

You should get back in that closet of yours - Armoured, natch - if you know what's good for both of you. Your QJV via the gay King James I orders you to do so when you pray, does it not...?!

11/8/2017 5:27:47 PM


agentCDE

So, got your paper in the Lancet yet? ...no? You're not even a doctor? Oh, well then.

11/8/2017 7:26:38 PM

James A. Wilson

You little libs can’t even refute Pastor Grimes! Yes, we are REAL MEN OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST! It’s undeniable that trannies are mentally ill! Look at the phenomon of “detransitioning” if you don’t believe me! You won’t hear the liberal media discussing this one!

11/8/2017 7:40:02 PM

Thinking Allowed

James A. Wilson said:

You little libs can’t even refute Pastor Grimes! Yes, we are REAL MEN OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST! It’s undeniable that trannies are mentally ill! Look at the phenomon of “detransitioning” if you don’t believe me! You won’t hear the liberal media discussing this one!


...and Jesus hung out with men on a boat.

11/8/2017 8:51:37 PM

Titania

@Jimmy boy

Computer hour is over now! Here comes the nurse with your meds.

11/9/2017 1:55:26 AM

Glandu

Probably false, and even if it was true, having those people pushed to suicide or plainly murdered on a routine basis would make a good part of the explanation.

11/9/2017 4:03:22 AM

Swede

Being persecuted, abused and/or killed tend to shorten your life, asshole.

What about pumping "women" with testosterone for long periods of time?

Medical treatment is optional, and they are probably more aware of the risks than you are, dolt. They'd rather live a happy and slightly shorter lives, than live a longer life of misery.

Genesis 1:27 "in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them."

In what way does transgender contradict that? They are, in effect, male AND female, and thus closer to the image of God, as he must be BOTH male AND female or we couldn't both be made in his image.

So, Pimozide and Thorazine have no side-effects whatsoever?

Forcing people to live in the body of the wrong gender is what's inhumane, inherently harmful and detrimental.

11/9/2017 7:09:48 AM

Azereaux

Okay, then please explain how other people that violate "God’s natural law" manage to live to a ripe old age? Or is it only unhealthy sometimes? Or are we just not counting any example that contradicts your assertion? Actually, that sounds about right.

Also, if we're banning medical practices that result in health issues, I guess that's it for the whole 'my kid isn't going to the hospital for their illness because my faith says so' thing, eh? After all, it's assholes like you that seem to think prayer to the exclusion of all else is a medical treatment. Or would that upset you and yours?

Now, if you're giving out fifths of JD, can I get a couple to go? Reading crap like this makes me need a drink or 3...

11/9/2017 8:07:17 AM

creativerealms

Wilson I thought you didn't believe in mental illness.

11/9/2017 8:31:40 AM

James A. Wilson

Well, they live shorter lives because they are allowed to indulge in their own delusional behavior instead of honoring the will of the Lord Jesus Christ! Men live longer by being men and women live longer by being women! We don’t need poor, mentally ill people being allowed to indulge like the alcoholic being given more booze!

Mental illness is real, but autism and ADHD are both fake and a racket! Introversion and lacking tranquility are normal variations of humans, not illnesses lazy folks can use to collect government benefits like the autism racket that costs the government billions a year when “autistic” people are just lonely neckbeard nerdy beta male cucks who are single and not for religious reasons who need a “diagnosis” to justify mooching off the government.

11/9/2017 12:43:48 PM



Well, they live shorter lives because they are allowed to indulge in their own delusional behavior instead of honoring the will of the Lord Jesus Christ! Men live longer by being men and women live longer by being women!





Assuming they are not persecuted or killed by some Christian or Muslim terrorist

11/9/2017 1:09:36 PM

James A. Wilson

The only ones killing in the name of religion are Muslims and formerly papists. Try again, autistic lib.

11/9/2017 6:25:17 PM



So the autistic failure forgot about the recent shootings. If course James could appear a lot smarter if he stayed quiet but like the autistic failure he is, he can't.



Oh and autistic is not an insult, and not everyone in here is liberal. I'm libertarian you stupid fuck

11/9/2017 8:57:33 PM

Anon-e-moose

@The FAIL Jimmy Wilcum

A 'Real Man' - an ex-GI & Green Beret - refutes your boyfriend's right to think the way he does.

Renee Ramsey proves that fundie Christainity-based bigotry - as well as your religion's tax exemption - is a racket, but your mental handicap is real.

Someone who is 76 proves your 'claims' - and therefore your 'God' - wrong.

So 'Real Men' have nothing to do with the whole concept of 'Gender Roles': as in women being in those that the likes of you subjectively think should be purely the preserve of men...?!:



The real men President Dwight D. Eisenhower, who was previously the Allied Supreme Commander during WWII, and superior officer to Gen. Chuck Yeager (USAF, Ret) had no problem with test pilot Jacqueline Cochran: so every second you're not saying to Chuck's face (with proof via video uploaded to YouTube of you doing so) that he's wrong about he working with a woman in a man's role, you admit that your own 'Opinion' is wrong.

The only one stopping you from proving yourself right: is you.

But if you so much as think of doing so, you hate Freedom: thus your Nazism is showing. Remember what Eisenhower was: and what Yeager did in his P-51 Mustang in the air, and on the ground with the Resistance in France: against the anti-Freedom & anti-women's rights Hitler & co.

Here is someone scared of falling...:



...and Donald Fart.



>Filename

You must want a man in 10 Downing Street, then. [/hyper-paradox]

Prove your own 'Autism', much, Jimmy? You fundie Christains claim so much welfare: $70 billion a year from The Man, no wonder that Christianity owes nearly $17 quadrillion in back-taxes since 1776 that the IRS already own God.

They could certainly claim back your churches, property, assets etc without breaking sweat.

You've been on the government teat for too long, Billy Grimy & Jimmy Wilcum.

11/10/2017 9:13:49 AM



im going to live to 100 just to spite this dummy

11/10/2017 9:49:59 AM

James A. Wilson

Women are obviously inferior to men, because women are weak and frail and lack the intelligence and temperament to do a man’s work. Hence, the Apostle Paul told women to be silent in church in 1 Corinthians 14:34. There must be something terribly wrong with a man if he wants to permanently alter his body to try to pass off as a woman.

11/11/2017 5:39:34 PM

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