Quote# 133961

[ on a 13 year old girl having sex with 22 adult men ]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8110663.stm

The problem is that the girls see being with older men as a sign of maturity. The men shouldn't be taking advantage of that, it's terrible.


Hmmm....reading the article on this...it seems the other way round.

If sex is offered to blokes...most will take it as it is their nature. :rolleyes:

Most blokes will have sex with a child if offered? Really? Would you?

I believe the child in this case was misguided for certain, but it was the men who had sex with her who made the greater error and as the adults involved in the situation, should be held responsible.


If she looked and acted older than 13...then YES I would - as many blokes would do.

Sex is NOT the thing an actual 'child' would do though is it? (being blunt here) This is what my disagreement will always be - the fact that if they are ADULT enough to agree to ADULT activities...then mentally they are NOT a child just because of their age.

If a 13 year old craves sex so badly that she takes on 22 blokes older than her...then she is (physically and mentally) NOT a child is she because she knows EXACTLY what she is doing and she knows what SEX is!

You wouldn't get an 8 year old doing this because they are mentally and physically still a child and they wouldn't know what sex is all about. Everyone matures at DIFFERENT ages so I will always fail to understand WHY we live in such an ageist society. Girls mature at different ages....some at 12...some at 13...some at 14 and some at 18 and nothing will stop what comes naturally and if girls want sex at that age and their hormones are READY...then girls will have sex regardless of what the alleged outdated laws say. The laws (and VERY seriously) need to get a grip with nature and society and wake up to the reality that girls will do what comes naturally at what age they feel is ready, and in my personal views...their private life has nothing to do with 'outdated laws' of which are out of touch with reality or whatever age they are 'allegedly supposed to have sex' as it is their OWN decision and they are fully aware of consenting.

All this hype about...ahhh...she's ONLY 13 blah...blah...is utter crap as they know what they are doing or else they wouldn't go looking for it in the first place would they? :rolleyes:

For god sake...I wish people would wake up to 21st century reality instead of living in a fantasy world where all 13 year olds are safely tucked up in bed at 9.00pm with their teddy bears...

What is the point on the laws taking pity on something out of their control and making guys look like deliberate sex offenders when both have consented at their own peril?

I have a 13 year old daughter and some of the comments on here make me shudder. I tell you now, if I found out any 27 year old bloke had tried to have sex with her, he wouldn't be having sex with anyone else for the rest of his life.

Clearly the signs of an unhappy, unloved and disturbed young lady.

This guy knew exactly what he was doing, and didn't give a damn. I hope they lock him up for a long time. He obviously knew she was 13 by the quote above. I don't care how much she "came on" or encouraged the sex - he should have walked away. It's called self-control and having responsibility for your actions.


Well clearly reading the statement...'she' couldn't give a damn either so where does that leave responsibility? Why didn't SHE walk away if she was so concerned and being allegedly under age?

If they have BOTH given consent then no one is to physically blame for what comes naturally! I can see your concern...but you need to look at the bigger picture. A 17 year old or a 25 year old can just as easily take on 22 guys for sexual intentions and you could state that they are screwed up and unhappy. Most girls do this just for fun and to get sexual kicks of which many may disagree...but we are in the 21st century where girls are now more open/ grown up and will have sex at what age they feel suited to.

It takes TWO to tango regardless of age and girls are as much to blame...if not more! :rolleyes:

Are you serious? really? If a thirteen year old girl is "giving out" then my first thought would be that she is clearly in need of help. As an older person you have GOT to take responsibility in that situation, not take advantage of it. She obviously WASN'T concerned about it - which should only serve to heighten the sense that all is not well........


Look at the teenage pregnancies...doesn't that ring alarm bells of what young teenage girls are up to?

Isn't it up to THEM to take 50% of responsibility because they know EXACTLY what they are doing???

Girls will do what comes naturally whenever they feel ready...and NOT what the law states and guys will (again) do what comes naturally if it is offered and consented.

Just because girls at 13 have sex, it does not mean their state of mind is screwed up as they are only doing what comes naturally. They are NOT going to hold back just because the law says so. This is what I mean by living in an outdated society. The laws (and people alike - including parents) need to wake up to reality as the situation is not going to go away...but instead needs to be addressed accordingly...and above all 'realisticly'

Andy Carleton, Digital spy 29 Comments [11/8/2017 10:44:59 AM]
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Kanna

Child. Not able, either legally or mentally or morally, to make responsible decisions. When the axe falls, it's going to be on the older guys.

Look at it this way: if a kid is too young to take out a bank loan or sign a lease, they're too young. Keep off - or pay the consequences. Nobody is going to let you off because you say "she wanted it". This is the twenty-first century, and we don't burn witches or blame victims any more in the civilized world. Decent societies protect their children, not exploit them.

11/8/2017 11:01:55 AM

hydrolythe

Honestly, the quote being commented on sounds more fundy to me than the commenter. I mean, trying to give someone lifelong sentencing (and that's me being generous) just for accidentally dating or asking someone for sex who is underaged (whatever the last even means). How fucked up can you get?

As for the quote itself, it's OK, I guess. Outside of the "look at the teenage pregnancies bit". Taking a subject such as teen pregnancy this lightheartedly is nothing but offensive. I mean, it's a great financial and social burden on the whole family the teen is with. By no means does anyone actually want this to happen and the commenter is using it to point and laugh to say "look at how horny teens are" is just, argh.

11/8/2017 11:42:26 AM

Philbert McAdamia

[ on a 13 year old girl having sex with 22 adult men ]

The little hussy obviously took advantage of those guys.

11/8/2017 12:02:37 PM

Keith

"NOT a child is she because she knows EXACTLY what she is doing and she knows what SEX is"

Children are not known for making good decisions based on having all the available information and processing it correctly.
If they were, they wouldn't eat so much candy that they throw up.
They wouldn't play on dangerous rocks or at construction sites.
They wouldn't tease animals, ignoring warning behavior and get bitten/clawed/butted.
They wouldn't have sex with adults.

All of these things are the grown-ups' responsibility to prevent and prohibit. Because they're children. So they're stupid.

11/8/2017 12:09:03 PM

Passerby

Let me break down just why nobody should buy your bullshit:

If sex is offered to blokes...most will take it as it is their nature. :rolleyes:


So the very idea that men can be responsible and rational enough to say anything but “yes please” when presented with a sexual situation warrants a condescending gesture from you? There’s no fore-or-afterthought involved we are mere slaves to our own impulses? Interesting.

Sex is NOT the thing an actual 'child' would do though is it?


Correct. It is not. A child still going through puberty would not have the actual physical drive for sexual gratification or any real understanding of the act. In fact a child could be seriously – and possibly fatally – injured if they attempted intercourse. It is an external idea brought on by either a flawed and superficial understanding of adulthood and perceived pressure to mature quickly or the deliberate suggestion of a predator who wants the child to think it was their own idea and healthy to act on. It is the responsibility of the older and supposedly wiser party to recognize this and if necessary educate the younger on both the implications and potential consequences of rushing into an act they don’t fully understand for reasons that are childish and recuse themselves from influencing any further pursuit as their age automatically adds weight and even duress to their suggestions, NOT to capitalize on the child’s ignorance engaging in the act under the false pretense of “aiding” their understanding while twisting what little the child does understand to convince them they want even more portraying any curiosity as base desire and lack of knowledge or lack of a desire further pursue their “education” or “natural” progression in their sexuality as something they have to get over if they’re going to become an adult.

Doing something and knowing what you’re doing are two different things. If someone tried to instruct me in French (it is my shame as a Canadian to only know one of our two official languages) by having me write out and then sign what when translated turns out to be a legally binding agreement to give them power of attorney I am not actually giving them such in full knowledge now am I? Now imagine doing the same when I don’t know what power of attorney actually is, only having heard the phrase at best. That is pretty much what you’re doing if you try to have sex with a child only infinitely more evil.

then mentally they are NOT a child just because of their age.


I should point out that the reverse has much more evidence, as you’re happy to demonstrate for us. Furthermore you began by implying adult men do not have such a capacity to make intelligent decisions as you’re trying to attribute to children.

All this hype about...ahhh...she's ONLY 13 blah...blah...is utter crap as they know what they are doing or else they wouldn't go looking for it in the first place would they? :rolleyes:


See the above comparison to learning French. You’re using curiosity as a pretext, putting men you suggested are going to want sex by default into positions of trust and influence over the girl's decisions but saying we should trust they're not going to bias those decisions to their own wants, and overall dismissing out of hand any abuse and displacing that back on to the child. What do you actually learn when the teacher has their own agenda? But even before getting that far you imply they already know enough to consent simply for showing interest in the subject. That’s like saying I know everything about 1337speak if I call someone a noob or could look up antidisestablishmentarianism in a dictionary and know what that is well enough to write a thesis before reading the definition or that I have comprehensive knowledge of engineering and technical design because I could operate a trash compactor.

Why didn't SHE walk away if she was so concerned and being allegedly under age?


When your only source of information is deliberately pushing you forward and telling you how natural it all is – something you repeat rather insistently - trying to convince you that everything is actually your idea before sending you towards someone else that repeats the same thing while taking advantage of the continued uncertainty and perceived normalcy then what do you bloody think? If you were fed dog food every day from childhood by your parents, who you instinctively trust, you wouldn’t think there was anything strange about it. It wouldn’t occur to you to simply stop and from your point of view it would be weird for someone to tell you that you should. 22 men sleeping with a 13 year old aren’t guys who got propositioned on the street by her. Had she just gone around cozying up to random men on the streets one of them would have raised an issue. You're not going to run into 22 pedophiles in a row at random and people who don't know what they're doing is wrong won't work so hard to keep it a secret like they all did. At least one was even married keeping their sexual liaisons a secret from his family. They weren't average men, or random, or even strangers to each other. They’re an organized ring. 22 sexual partners in a lifetime is abnormal and 22 in a single year which is what was revealed during a criminal trial the original quote is referring to would be an alarming red flag for a grown woman. For a 13 year old girl? Crawl over to /r/incels, they're the only ones that'll believe you and it'll be good to have you all in one place under satellite targeting surveillance. It wasn't "curiosity" that sent her to so many men, it was deliberate exploitation. Did it not strike you as just a tad odd nobody she slept with was her own age? That there was no exploration of “what comes naturally” with somebody else going through the same phase? That the girl spoke to no-one of the sexuality she was supposedly exploring in prolific fashion for six years? Of course not. Her contact was planned out for her and the secrecy was a web of orchestrated sympathies to hide the "affair" from "jealous" wives and people who would "unfairly" judge the men and the girl. And you know that because you know how predators work from personal practice, don't you? You’re here to deflect scrutiny, to pass off responsibility, and to say whatever you think gets you just an inch closer to what you crave no matter how blatantly untrue it is or how poorly it logically follows.

Like saying a girl can reason like an adult and should be held responsible as such at the exact same time as saying adults cannot reason against their impulses and should not be accountable when propositioned by a child. Or noting correctly that children would not have an interest in sex but instead of seeing the obvious external source of the idea trying to convince us the child has leapt to full adulthood and comprehension on this single issue. Or saying the actions of predators are normal while those protective of their children are not when the majority of men have turned their angry eye to you and the suspiciousness of your minimizations.

I'd roll my eyes but that would require I take them off you. And that's not a risk anyone should chance.

11/8/2017 3:09:33 PM

Anon-e-moose

Informed Consent. Also, Age of Consent.

That means men don't have the right to have sex with her: even if she says 'Yes'.

There's an extremely good reason why adverts for mortgages & credit cards say 'Over 18s Only' and 'Subject To Status'. Maturity. It's a thing.

11/8/2017 5:44:03 PM

Chloe

I don't care how mature she is. Or how much older she looks. She's 13 and thus cannot legally and meaningfully give consent.

11/8/2017 6:32:11 PM

Thanos6

@Passerby:

22 sexual partners in a lifetime is abnormal and 22 in a single year (...) would be an alarming red flag for a grown woman.


What's wrong with someone enjoying sex and wanting it with a lot of different people?

11/8/2017 8:06:43 PM



@ Thanos6

I understand you place considerably less emotional weight on sexual acts than others (along with various other taboos and social mores and quite pointedly anything most people would consider deeply personal like privacy and even unsolicited physical contact) but for most people the investment is strong enough to sometimes impact the whole of their mental state and launching from bed to bed with no time to build any manner of relationship beforehand and no time to recover after each one ended would indicate severe emotional distress and likely also abuse. Someone who simply allows themselves to be used and discarded repeatedly in a very short timeframe (or conversely using and discarding others but I sincerely doubt that applies here) seeking short-lived validation in the next encounter. Your personal perspective, while not unhealthy when both parties agree on what the sex means to them, is quite rare making the likelihood of such a concentrated collection of people mutually agreeing to this almost nil and again the extremely limited timeframe restricts the possibility of establishing a clear and mutual understanding. But even removing the norms of society or generalizations of psychology and viewing it from a purely physical standpoint such an extreme crosses the threshold into addiction which is not healthy at all. The sheer number of sexual encounters and implied frequency would be exhausting to the point where nobody should be able to achieve pleasure from it but even if they could they're damaging their health. Even porn stars and sex trade workers set limits for their own good. That leaves two options: They can't stop and need help or they're being pushed. Knowingly enabling an addict and using their addiction to manipulate them is as common as it is twisted. (Again, really something I doubt applies.)

11/8/2017 8:32:25 PM

Azereaux

You know, no matter how many times I hear it, I still want to punch something whenever I hear the "men are just like that. They/we can't help them/ourself when it comes to sex" line. It's as though the idea that a man could ever turn down sex is so alien to some people that they can't conceive of it. Pretty sure every male here (well, almost) has turned down sex at some point.

Self control is a thing. Most of us learn it early. If you somehow haven't, or think sex is a special exception, you are the problem.

Fucking pedophile apologists...

11/9/2017 7:57:59 AM



What the fuck is wrong with you Andy?!

11/9/2017 8:53:30 AM

POSW

I skipped over most of this, and I still feel dirty.

11/9/2017 10:18:39 PM

caamib

"So the very idea that men can be responsible and rational enough to say anything but “yes please” when presented with a sexual situation warrants a condescending gesture from you? There’s no fore-or-afterthought involved we are mere slaves to our own impulses? Interesting. "

Not at all. Most men are perfectly able to reject sex if the situation necessitates it. It's just that, as the guy says and you are distorting him, most will take it at any time by their nature if the situation is deemed safe enough.

"Correct. It is not. A child still going through puberty would not have the actual physical drive for sexual gratification or any real understanding of the act."

Ahahaha. Go tell several of the women I know, including my ex, who fucked at around 12-14, that they didn't actually want it but were instead used by monsters or how they didn't understand what they were doing. Or how they got "hurt". They'll laugh at your disturbed stupid face, and one of them (my ex) already believes you're a fucking nutjob after I told her how you believe I raped her after she called me to have sex and bought me a chocolate later. Of course, you're the world's foremost authority to tell us what 13 year-old girls want.

"Doing something and knowing what you’re doing are two different things. If someone tried to instruct me in French (it is my shame as a Canadian to only know one of our two official languages) by having me write out and then sign what when translated turns out to be a legally binding agreement to give them power of attorney I am not actually giving them such in full knowledge now am I? Now imagine doing the same when I don’t know what power of attorney actually is, only having heard the phrase at best. That is pretty much what you’re doing if you try to have sex with a child only infinitely more evil. "

Ho ho, another deranged comparison made by a deranged man.

1. Sex isn't a legally binding agreement giving you a power of an attorney, nor are you in that much power over a teen girl. If you have a teen of about 13 with some intelligence and a needy guy of, say, 25, with not much success with women, guess what will happen? SHE WILL PROBABLY LEARN HOW TO CONTROL HIM, believe it or not. She will learn she has something he needs badly and will use that to her advantage. The guy literally has to do whatever she wants for sex, she makes him buy her stuff and do stuff for her. Who is in power, then? The guy, because he is older? I don't think so.

Now, I know that an idiot like you, with no experience at all, would find that shocking but I have seen it before, several times.

2. It's insane to compare sex/introduction to sex to French. Sex is a natural urge and something most people are instinctively attracted to. Contracts, French... not really.


11/14/2017 1:48:06 PM

Pharaoh Bastethotep

Ahahaha. Go tell several of the women I know, including my ex

How am I supposed to communicate with figments of your delirious imagination?

11/14/2017 2:31:51 PM

caamib

Pharaoh, Pharaoh...

I know all that access fat is destroying your brain, but try to concentrate...

1. Nobody asked you to do anything. My post was to another moron here, one even crazier than you. Unless this was a joke, in which case try to make jokes like you're above 12.

2. Oh, the "You're lying !" argument. How cute. I, for example, never used this on you. I fully believe you're an obese virginal retarded biology student. If you can't give me the same courtesy, at least be consistent, since...

3. ... you recently used a quote of mine about some girl (who wasn't really my girlfriend but still) to try to suit your retarded purposes. Of course, you misunderstood the quote or what being a feminist means and it ended up badly (hint - you can still be obsessed with the only woman who showed genuine, serious interest and have idiotic feminist beliefs like women's suffrage) but why do you use stuff from my life when you think (think !) it will suit you?

My, my... So sad.

11/15/2017 3:36:08 PM

Passerby

And here I thought another person had joined the discussion but it's just caamib, with another change to the story of its made up past and another internal contradiction within the same paragraph claiming men both can and cannot reject sex and that sex both is and is not a contract. Yep. Same old crap. Tell someone who cares. Fishing around for something to be contrary about for its own sake isn't going to get you that sweet sweet validation you're looking for.

11/15/2017 4:26:03 PM

Pharaoh Bastethotep

I know all that access (sic) fat is destroying your brain

Congratulations, your insults have reached a new level of patheticness.

11/15/2017 5:03:20 PM

Passerby

@ Pharaoh Bastethotep

Kind of disappointing, isn't it? The Sexless Coconutsack is about as fresh and entertaining as wilted asparagus after spazzing non-stop for so many years. And the funny thing is I think I actually touched a nerve back there by pointing out that it just doesn't seem interested in engaging with people that don't hate it evidenced by a near-total lack of activity anywhere else. This is a desperate plea for attention and it is so underwhelming it's hilarious. That's why it works so hard to get around bans. It can't live if it can't get people worked up... if you call this living.

11/15/2017 5:29:58 PM

Thanos6

@2112532:

I understand you place considerably less emotional weight on sexual acts than others (along with various other taboos and social mores and quite pointedly anything most people would consider deeply personal like privacy and even unsolicited physical contact)


This is true, but I don't try to force them on other people. I have no problem with, say, randomly being groped or receiving nudes (and I admittedly have trouble even grasping why anyone WOULD have a problem with them), but I don't go around doing those things to others unless explicitly, specifically invited.

but for most people the investment is strong enough to sometimes impact the whole of their mental state and launching from bed to bed with no time to build any manner of relationship beforehand and no time to recover after each one ended would indicate severe emotional distress and likely also abuse. (...) Your personal perspective, while not unhealthy when both parties agree on what the sex means to them, is quite rare making the likelihood of such a concentrated collection of people mutually agreeing to this almost nil and again the extremely limited timeframe restricts the possibility of establishing a clear and mutual understanding.


Or maybe there's more people like me than you think.

But even removing the norms of society or generalizations of psychology and viewing it from a purely physical standpoint such an extreme crosses the threshold into addiction which is not healthy at all. The sheer number of sexual encounters and implied frequency would be exhausting to the point where nobody should be able to achieve pleasure from it but even if they could they're damaging their health


Really? You're calling 22 different partners a year an "addiction?" That's not even two a month! If someone plays tennis with 22 different partners a year are they a tennis addict who needs an intervention?

11/15/2017 8:56:22 PM

Anon-e-moose

@Mary Jane Lick Sick

After what Jimmy Savile did, the Western Modern Feminist country of Britain proves your entire way of thinking wrong.

If you're not, just come to London, stand outside Scotland Yard: HQ of the Metropolitan Police, not far from the legislational body whose laws introduced by MPs there are enforced by them, and - with the world's press present - say that 'Consent is illegal' and that there's nothing wrong in having sex with underage girls.

Every second you don't, not only do you prove yourself wrong, you don't have the right to think the way you do: especially as Human Rights are a Western concept, and you're against everything the Modern, Feminist West stands for, and attitudes to the likes of you - paedophiles - here in Britain will never go away.

Otherwise, come to London and do exactly as I stated. Oh, and you can also fund Gary Glitter's retrial, to ensure he - and all other paedo nonces like him - are 'innocent': because of our supposedly 'Insane' laws, as you subjectively 'claim' they are, o immoral* cammy-poo. Go ahead and prove the Modern, Feminist Western country of Britain wrong.

The only one stopping you: is you.

You know what you'll be admitting when you can't, won't: or daren't.

*- Proof that he's worse than a paedo nonce? As if he being an incestuous motherfucker wasn't hideous enough? If it pleases the court, I would like to submit Exhibit A:

(On his own daughter):

http://www.fstdt.net/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=131203

Oh, have no worries, I won't visit her at all. However, I'd like to try sleeping with her when she turns 12 if I can find her then but who knows what will happen by then


Ergo, the attitudes people here in the Modern, Feminist Western country of Britain have towards paedophiles: certainly after Jimmy Savile.

The prosecution rests.

As it was in the cases of Max Clifford & Rolf Harris. And Gary Glitter: the only way he'll be leaving prison is in a box.

You stood outside a government building banging a drum: whilst naked. If you've got - albeit mustard seed-sized - ones to do that, then you have no excuses to not say that 'Consent is illegal' & 'Having sex with underage girls isn't wrong' outside of Scotland Yard in London, Mary Jane Lick Sick.

Because you wouldn't want to prove your own way of thinking wrong by not doing so, eh? Your call...!

11/15/2017 10:32:59 PM

caamib

"And here I thought another person had joined the discussion but it's just caamib, with another change to the story of its made up past"

Which change? There is no change at all. All I mentioned is that my ex had sex when she was 12-14. How is this changing anything I said before? C'mon, you pathetic worm. I know I won't get a reply to this but just to point out what kind of a stupid, moronic liar and a nutjob you are.


"and another internal contradiction within the same paragraph claiming men both can and cannot reject sex and that sex both is and is not a contract. "

As for men rejecting sex, that part was somewhat vague so I edited it yesterday (wish I could so with that access/excess mistake now!). As for the contract thing, what on are you talking about? Again, show me? Or are you seeing pink elephants again?

11/16/2017 11:09:27 AM

caamib

"The Sexless Coconutsack"

What? This is what, a man who doesn't know if he has ever had sex because he was "too drunk", aka a man who doesn't remember any sex he had, calls a man who slept with half a dozen women just voluntarily, a man who rejected the idiotic notion of "consent" (the notion you're still defending!) and a man who has a girlfriend now.

A man who would get sex, like you, by rejecting the notion of consent but doesn't want, and a man who is for importing millions of rapists into Canada, is calling me, a man with tons of more experience than him in both relationships and sex, Sexless?

Could you get any dumber and have less self-awareness? Now go and reply to what I asked above. How do I change my story by saying one of my exes had sex at the age of 12-14 and where do I say sex is a contract? Go make me laugh, you nut.

11/16/2017 11:13:23 AM

caamib

Anyway, Passerloon, I'll be asking that girl what she thinks about the fact that you believe some guy (not me, if you're too dumb to understand even that, since I met her when she was 20) she proposed sex to when she was 14 and he about 22 to "get rid of it" (her virginity) and who she didn't want to even see later is in fact some controlling monster. I am interested in what she'll say. Because the way you infantalize these girls is hilarious. These little cunts know very well what they're doing and how much power they have. They use their pussies to control men around them and do it like a pro.

And I love how Passerloon. whose entire capability of making arguments boils down to making huge deranged texts with sentences too long for English language, never addressed any of my arguments against his imbecility, especially the one in which 13 year-old girls were known to control and manipulate men with their pussy.

11/16/2017 11:29:14 AM

Skide

@caamib

Reading comprehension is also just some liberal construct, isn`t it?

ps. you`ve never been to Canada, never talked with normal folks outside of your circlejerk and how they feel about the immigration, so shut your hole about places you know fuck all about. We have a nice and working multi-cultural society here and people don`t get raped daily by the nebulous "brownies" whether you like it or not. Reality does not conform to your crap yet again or perhaps we can see all those imported rapists right next to your alledged girlfriends, eh?

11/16/2017 1:47:09 PM

caamib

Skide, Skide, Skide...

Reading comprehension is sadly a real thing but it's the liberals who are usually so bad ad it. Only somebody like Passerloon would gather from me merely saying that my ex lost her virginity at 12-14 that I'm somehow changing my story. He's never gonna back that up, because he can't, and is merely giving me (and her) more material to mock him over. He is literally insane and his family likely didn't abuse him at all, simply wanted to move the fuck away from that lunatic.

As for you, you are once again misrepresenting my views. I said that liberals want brown rapists because they hate the very idea of whites breathing. It doesn't mean that brown people are raping all over right now. Whether I've been to Canada is irrelevant because this applies to everywhere where liberals are, it even applies to what the liberals in obviously non-liberal places like Russia WOULD WANT (and that's what I'm talking about).

11/16/2017 6:18:22 PM

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