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AUSTRALIA’S GAY MARRIAGE VOTE MAY LEAD TO SPECTACULAR FAILURE FOR THE LEFT

Australia is currently voting in a postal survey on whether to legalise gay marriage. A clear majority of Australians support gay marriage but I predict that the “No” side will win the vote. When this occurs, the radical left will have no one to blame but themselves. There is a strong feeling of a Trump or Brexit type upset in the air, but the main reason that the “No” campaign will win is because the “Yes” side’s campaign has alienated the sensible center.

Australia is one of the few countries in the world that has compulsory voting in elections but this postal survey is not compulsory and I would be surprised if turnout is much over 50%. Opinion polls over recent years have consistently shown that around two thirds of Australians support gay marriage, but the expected low turnout makes the result of the postal survey hard to predict. Just as the “silent” Trump voters skewed the exit polls in the 2016 US Presidential election, there is probably also around 5% of Australians who are telling pollsters that they support gay marriage but who will in fact vote no.

The “Yes” and “No” campaigns

The “Yes” campaign is led by around half of the ruling centre-right Liberal/National government, including Australia’s Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, plus the opposition centre-left Labor Party and the far-left Greens Party. Almost all prominent Australians are supporting the “Yes” campaign.

The “No” campaign is led by religious organisations and a few conservative politicians. The fact that most Australian Muslims will undoubtedly vote no is an ironic turn for the leftists who have campaigned so hard to allow them into the country. The overwhelming support for the “Yes” side amongst prominent Australians from politics to media to entertainment to sport is reminiscent of opposition to Trump in the US and to Brexit in the UK.

The “Yes” side is not really making much of an argument, they just keep saying “love is love”. Presumably they do not think that incest, paedophilia or polygamy are ok because “love is love”, but they haven’t elaborated.

The “No” side is not making much of an argument about gay marriage either. Instead, it is arguing that gay marriage is another step towards political correctness and denial of free speech and religious freedom. Australia’s former conservative Prime Minister Tony Abbott is urging a “no” vote to “stop political correctness in its tracks”.

The left’s counterproductive tactics

The left is making two key strategic errors in its campaign. Firstly, it is arguing that there should not be a public debate or public vote on this issue. Secondly, it is bullying, persecuting and harassing anyone brave enough to declare that they will vote “no”.

The left has long argued against a public vote on same sex marriage saying that it will hurt gay people’s mental health and that straight people should not have the right to decide if gay people have “human rights”. The left does not appear to understand that people don’t like being told what they are and are not allowed to discuss, debate, say or think.

Some of the more radical leftist individuals and groups have also harassed, bullied and persecuted people who oppose gay marriage. On September 22, a “Yes” campaigner head butted Tony Abbott. A former champion boxer, Abbott assured the media he was “entirely unscathed” but said that he worries about “the brave new world of same-sex marriage if this is how some of the people who are most enthusiastically supporting it are behaving”.

In Canberra, an 18-year-old woman named Madeline was fired from her job at a children’s party business for advocating a “no” vote on her private Facebook wall. Capital Kids Parties owner Madlin Sims said she fired Madeline because “advertising your desire to vote no for SSM [same-sex marriage] is, in my eyes, hate speech”.

In Brisbane, the National Union of Students organised a rally outside a church to harass the attendees at a “vote no” meeting. The rally turned violent and one woman was arrested.

When “no” campaigners hired Skywriting Australia to write “vote no” in the sky above Sydney the business was abused on social media and the business owner received a torrent of harassing text messages including the following:

…you really are a shit human. You’re definitely the biggest piece of shit in Australia today. Probably tomorrow too. Hope you’re proud of yourself. Don’t be surprised by the hate coming for you. Titt for tatt, it’s only fair, right? You stupid, ignorant, remorseless, pathetic, old, LOSER.

The organisers of the skywriting later reported that GoFundMe “has decided to freeze our funds, until we give our names and locations. This is on the back of a massive amount of hateful messages we have received by people who want to silence our message and personally attack us.”

Of course, there are people on the “No” side who have behaved inappropriately too. The difference is that within the “Yes” camp the arguments that there should be no debate, or that those who oppose gay marriage should not be allowed to state their views, is mainstream.

Unlike the United States, Australia does not have constitutionally protected free speech. The Australian Parliament has passed laws imposing fines of up to $12,600 for anyone “vilifying” or “intimidating” another person during the gay marriage debate. I expect these laws will be enforced selectively against “no” campaigners for “homophobic” comments.

Lessons for the right

We shouldn’t underestimate the radical left, but we shouldn’t overestimate them either. Let them be themselves and they will alienate ten people for every one they convert. We on the right must not get down into the gutter to fight with these radical leftists or we will come out at least as dirty as they are. Let’s maintain the moral high ground and promote civilised debate, free speech, and non-violence.

Ned Kelly, Return of Kings 11 Comments [11/13/2017 4:28:32 AM]
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Happy Atheist

You'd be surprised if turnout was much over 50%?

It was 78.5%. I'm sure you're gobsmacked. This isn't Brexit, it isn't Trump. It's Ireland's same-sex marriage referendum, if anything.

11/13/2017 5:00:31 AM

crealms

The center don't get why the same sex marriage thing is not a big deal. they are not on your side.

11/13/2017 5:38:26 AM

SpukiKitty

I hope they vote for Same-Sex marriage because I'm going to LOVE watching this guy have a coronary!

11/13/2017 9:51:13 AM

Zinnia

We'll find out the result in two more days. I strongly suspect that, even with the "no" side trying like crazy to influence the vote, they'll still lose, though the "yes" side may not get a wide margin of victory as a result. And even with a victory here, this is only the beginning, not the end. Still, I'm hopeful that Aussies get their rights someday soon.

Meanwhile I'm also hoping that South Korea manages to get past that "Gay sex is voluntary rape" nonsense someday soon. They're slowly approaching 50%, so hopefully the tide will turn there too.

11/13/2017 11:33:06 AM

Azereaux

Ah denial. The last refuge these asses have against the steady changes that they refuse to accept. Their world is becoming less bigoted, and that is unthinkable to them. After all, everyone secretly thinks as they do in their dogma, so this simply cannot be.

Enjoy being left in the dust. Your philosophy's eventual extinction will not be mourned.

11/13/2017 1:03:23 PM

Titania

Dingbat, how dare you call yourself after Ned Kelly! He may have been a bushranger, but he was a far better man than you idiots, brainless followers of that Roosh dickhead.

What I hate about the No campaign is the way it's brought all these idiots out of the woodwork. Also all this BS advertising about children and schools. Why should idjits like yourself, oppose something which won't have any effect on your life, anyway?

The No campaign will lose, it has to lose. I'm counting on that, the decision is tomorrow.

11/13/2017 6:36:35 PM




The left has long argued against a public vote on same sex marriage saying that it will hurt gay people’s mental health and that straight people should not have the right to decide if gay people have “human rights”. The left does not appear to understand that people don’t like being told what they are and are not allowed to discuss, debate, say or think.



The only people affected by gay marriage are homosexuals. Busybodies might think they are affected but really it is just that people will live their lives and the busybody can't do a damn thing about it


Some of the more radical leftist individuals and groups have also harassed, bullied and persecuted people who oppose gay marriage.


Left wing: I have no issues with gay marriage and think everyone should have equal rights
Right wing: Stop persecuting me!!!!


11/14/2017 5:11:11 AM

Anon-e-moose

A legislation-deciding referendum on S-SM led to a massive failure for the previously government-controlling Catholic Church in Ireland.

When it can happen there of all places, just keep living in a certain river in Egypt, o Alt-Shitists. A rusted old U-Boat there may be the last 'Safe Space' you'll have. [/Chopurcockov]

11/14/2017 6:36:23 AM

Psalmanazaar

I like how he just admits that his ideological fellow travelers would always lose if turnout was good, because no majority supports them. That is how Trump and Brexit persevered: votes that failed to capture the will of the people.

11/14/2017 10:54:23 AM

KingOfRhye

I predict that the “No” side will win the vote.


.....and you predict incorrectly. 61.6% voted YES.

Good job, Aussies!

11/14/2017 4:12:27 PM

Anon-e-moose

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/nov/15/australia-says-yes-to-same-sex-marriage-in-historic-postal-survey

2001: Holland.

2013: Britain.

2015: Ireland & USA.

2017: Australia.

We 'Leftists' don't just have the moral high ground, you are Darth Vader prior to being dismembered by Obi-Wan Kenobi's lightsabre on Mustafar.

And as he went further & further into the dark (side) abyss of violence, how long before you promote uncivilised fighting in the gutter of your own Dunning-Kruger-based inability to admit that your way of thinking is wrong: but then, Charlottesville demonstrated the depths of your way of thinking's depravity.

This phrase says it all: 'When nothing's going right, try going left'.

Seems that - certainly after Charlottesville - you'll never learn.

11/14/2017 7:09:27 PM

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