CHRISTIANITY IS NOT BUILT UPON LOGIC!
WE COME TO JESUS BY FAITH! THE FAITH
OF A LITTLE CHILD! It is not logical that we can feel the wind blowing and yet we see nothing or that we don't check before we sit on a chair and yet it holds us. You and I have never actually seen the Moon and yet we believe man has walked on it just because scientists show us pictures of it.Is this logical? To believe something you have never really seen yourself but to just take the word of someone you don't even know?WHERE IS THE LOGIC THERE? IT RAINS BUT WHERE IS THE WATER CAN IN THE SKY?
Just because you or anyone else says Jesus wasn't perfect --that does not make it so!!!
In God's Holy Word He says Unless you come to me with the faith of a little child you cannot get into the kingdom of Heaven. I am praying for you!
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I think the key here is consistency:
We can feel the wind blowing, and we can create models of how the wind blows, to the point where we can accurate predict how a wind will blow, based on past winds.
Similarly, we can create models of what a chair will and will not hold before we construct it, and then, using those models, we can construct chairs that will hold us without us needing to check personally.
I have seen the moon, it's clearly visible on most nights. Scientists also don't just show us pictures, they brought back hundreds of pounds of rock different from anything that we know can be formed on earth, but can be explained by our models of what rocks developing on the moon would be like, given its gravity, atmosphere, meteors, etc.
The water cans in the sky are called clouds. Rain can be explained and predicted based on our models of clouds, water vapor, and temperature. That's why the weather people are fairly accurate.
Unlike all those examples, we can't predict God, because He Moves In Mysterious Ways, so your examples fail.
However, you did get one thing right: Christianity is not built upon logic. Now when you realize that you should probably trust the logical, repeatable things over your faith, we'll be making progress.
"CHRISTIANITY IS NOT BUILT UPON LOGIC!"
Right there with you, so far.
It is not logical that we can feel the wind blowing and yet we see nothing or that we don't check before we sit on a chair and yet it holds us.
What is it with you fundie's and the wind? Wind is moving air created by, among other factors, the warming and cooling of the air. Yes, you can feel the wind, therefore you know it is there. As far as a chair goes, I have sometimes sat down in a chair and it didn't hold me because it was broken or it wasn't sturdy enough to hold me. What has that to do with logic?
"You and I have never actually seen the Moon and yet we believe man has walked on it just because scientists show us pictures of it.Is this logical?"
I don't know about you, but I've seen the moon many, many times. I even have a rather nice telescope I have looked at it at high magnification. And yes, it's there. And not only have I seen the pictures of men on the moon, I watched the moon missions on TV when they happened. Yes it is quite logical to believe something that I've seen happen.
"To believe something you have never really seen yourself but to just take the word of someone you don't even know?WHERE IS THE LOGIC THERE?"
As in, the ancient desert dwellers that wrote the Bible? On this, we can agree.
"IT RAINS BUT WHERE IS THE WATER CAN IN THE SKY?"
It would take to long to explain evaporation and vaporization to you. But don't forget, according to your Bible (Genesis 1)it's not a water can that makes it rain, it's that firmament in the sky that opens up to make it rain.
"Just because you or anyone else says Jesus wasn't perfect --that does not make it so!!!"
I never said Jesus wasn't perfect. I said Jesus never existed.
"WE COME TO JESUS BY FAITH! THE FAITH
OF A LITTLE CHILD!...In God's Holy Word He says Unless you come to me with the faith of a little child you cannot get into the kingdom of Heaven."
This is because a child accepts things told to them without question...most of the time. They'll believe practically anything told to them. And that is why it is in the Bible...you're not supposed to think about this stuff or you might end up using logic and decide it is the load of crap it is.
"I am praying for you! "
Don't bother. Save the wear and tear on your knees. It's a futile exercise in principle and a total waste of time where I'm concerned.
Note to Papabear: I know this is your thing and didn't mean to steal your format, but I just couldn't resist this one.
<<< CHRISTIANITY IS NOT BUILT UPON LOGIC! >>>
Thanks for pointing that out, Captain Obvious.
<<< It is not logical that we can feel the wind blowing and yet we see nothing >>>
Why is that not logical?
<<< You and I have never actually seen the Moon >>>
Never actually looked up at the sky, have you?
<<< and yet we believe man has walked on it just because scientists show us pictures of it.Is this logical? >>>
Yup.
<<< To believe something you have never really seen yourself but to just take the word of someone you don't even know?WHERE IS THE LOGIC THERE? >>>
Because it's impossible for us to figure it all out on our own due to the limited amount of time we have. If we trusted nothing any other said and had to start from scratch, I don't think anyone would get much further along than the wheel by the time they died (and most wouldn't get beyond the pointy stick).
<<< IT RAINS BUT WHERE IS THE WATER CAN IN THE SKY? >>>
If this was a serious question, you are too stupid to be educable.
<<< Just because you or anyone else says Jesus wasn't perfect --that does not make it so!!! >>>
Just because you or anyone else says Jesus *was* perfect --that does not make it so!!!
Fixed.
<<< I am praying for you! >>>
And I am thinking for you.
Actually, you can logically and scientifically prove that the wind exists, and I *can* see the moon, thank you very much. Right out my window, in fact.
Guh.
P.S. - I knew how the precipitation cycle worked in the third grade. In fact, I impressed my teacher and got points for my table for using the term "precipitation" in class. I assume you are older than eight, Susan? :P
"CHRISTIANITY IS NOT BUILT UPON LOGIC!"
You don't have to shout that. We agree. We've been saying that for years.
"WE COME TO JESUS BY FAITH!"
Yes, you do. Faith is belief in the absence of evidence. That's not a good thing, Susie. If I asked you to do that in any other aspect of your life you wouldn't do it, but for some reason, you Xians are willing to bet your lives on God/Jesus with no evidence at all.
"THE FAITH
OF A LITTLE CHILD!"
On of the key benefits of growing up is that many of us are able to drop childish ways of thinking in favor of reason and logic.
"It is not logical that we can feel the wind blowing and yet we see nothing"
Yes, it is perfectly logical. You may want to study up on meteorology before you use that old saw again.
"or that we don't check before we sit on a chair and yet it holds us."
We have good, solid evidence that chairs will hold us. Faith is not required when we have evidence.
"You and I have never actually seen the Moon and yet we believe man has walked on it just because scientists show us pictures of it."
You lead an awfully sheltered life, Susie. Go outside and look up. That big, glowing thing is the moon. I've seen it. You should too.
I believe men walked on the moon, because I've seen the pictures and the video tape. I heard the radio transmissions. I've seen moon rocks and read about their chemical analysis. I've heard the testimony from people who were on the moon and others involved in the project. I don't believe it on faith.
"Is this logical? To believe something you have never really seen yourself but to just take the word of someone you don't even know?"
Yes, it is logical. I'm not just taking their word for it, I'm analyzing and comparing their stories to be sure they make sense. I'm checking to see if these are knowledgable people involved in the project. And, as I mentioned, I have evidence other than testimony.
"WHERE IS THE LOGIC THERE?"
It's right under your nose, Susie.
"IT RAINS BUT WHERE IS THE WATER CAN IN THE SKY?"
We are so childish as to suppose there is a "water can in the sky." Here again, if you would read a book on meteorology it might help you from appearing to be a complete moron in the future.
"Just because you or anyone else says Jesus wasn't perfect --that does not make it so!!!"
There is really no solid evidence that the Jesus of the Bible even existed. However, even if we assume that he did exist, your own Bible shows him to be imperfect. For instance, no perfect being would get his panties in a wad and snuff a fig tree because that fig tree didn't have figs for him, a fact that a perfect being should have known ahead of time anyway. There are many, many more examples of Jesus' lack of perfection.
"In God's Holy Word He says Unless you come to me with the faith of a little child you cannot get into the kingdom of Heaven."
Well, you haven't proven the existence of God, nor that the Bible is his word. So, I guess that child-like faith is all you can muster to support your case.
"I am praying for you!"
Thanks, imagine my thrill.
@Susan C
CHRISTIANITY IS NOT BUILT UPON LOGIC!
Thanks for the honesty.
WE COME TO JESUS BY FAITH! THE FAITH
OF A LITTLE CHILD!
Children are gullibe.
It is not logical that we can feel the wind blowing and yet we see nothing or that we don't check before we sit on a chair and yet it holds us.
First sentence: You're an idiot. Second sentence: I make sure a chair is under my ass before sitting. Also, the chair is solid.
You and I have never actually seen the Moon and yet we believe man has walked on it just because scientists show us pictures of it.
I saw it twenty minutes ago. And I believe man has been on the moon because the videos could not be faked using late 60s technology. Next.
IT RAINS BUT WHERE IS THE WATER CAN IN THE SKY?
That is among the stupidest things I have ever heard.
Just because you or anyone else says Jesus wasn't perfect --that does not make it so!!!
Whoody-shit.
In God's Holy Word He says Unless you come to me with the faith of a little child you cannot get into the kingdom of Heaven.
What an asshole.
I am praying for you!
Have at.
I'd call troll but I've heard stupider. As in I've actually heard someone say it such idiocy aloud. I was tempted to call them an idiot.
It is not logical that we can feel the wind blowing and yet we see nothing Let's hit her on the back of the head with a brick and run away really fast. With a little lcuck she did not see us or the brick, therefore it does not exist and the event never happened.
And I really like to call a Poe on this one. People claiming they never saw the moon is just too far out there to be credible.
Wow, for one thing, you're right about Christianity not being logical and faith is part of your religion, but that's the end of the line for making sense in your case.
Just because you or anyone else says Jesus is the son of God -- that does not make it so.
And the whole moon, chair, water can bullshit, people thought of that already and it doesn't work that way. We sit on chairs because someone sat on one and decided "hey! I didn't fall down!" That's common sense.
And please don't pray for me. Praying hasn't done anything for me in my life.
You believe that rainwater comes in cans and you've never seen the Moon. But you don't believe in something you have never really seen yourself but take the word of someone you don't even know? Where does that put Jesus? Or Antarctica? Or, for that matter, your own ass with both hands and a flashlight?
Poe is tempting here because of the first statement, "Christianity is not built upon logic." Now, there are quite a few believers that will state this, but MOST will actually try to show that the Bible makes a logical case for Christian faith, especially because the letters of Paul are themselves logical arguments for the faith.
Then the "no one has seen the moon" and "where is the water can in the sky" really drive it home.
Finally - it's on Yahoo Answers. If you see it on Yahoo, you can immediately dismiss it as 97% likely intentional stupidity.
I think we've gotten too willing to call Poe on these posts. There really are some very stupid Fundies out there.
Many Xians, including Martin Luther, are (or were) quite willing to admit their faith has no logic or reason behind it.
I think her moon reference was just poorly worded. She probably wants to talk about us having no actual "hands on" moon experience.
You and I have never actually seen the Moon
Well I don't know about you, but I stopped going to bed at 6pm at around the same time I learned to talk. Then again, that still leaves you another few years.
CHRISTIANITY IS NOT BUILT UPON LOGIC!
Oh, the hell you say? And here I was expecting so much more of fundies. You know, to perhaps exercise logic? Maybe that's why I've been so disappointed in them for so along. Well, now that I know that their entire core beliefs system has nothing to do with logical thinking, nor should it, I can stop setting the bar so high for them.
<<< Fundamentalism in a Nutshell Award >>>
Maybe as the runner-up, but we've already got quite a few that blow this one out of the water in that category. Besides, "BUT WHERE IS THE WATER CAN IN THE SKY?" is too perfect to pass up - if it gets an award it's gotta be for that line.
You and I have never actually seen the Moon and yet we believe man has walked on it just because scientists show us pictures of it.
Bah! The Moon doesn't exist!
"CHRISTIANITY IS NOT BUILT UPON LOGIC!"
Actually, Thomas Aquinas said something like the same thing. He knew better than to try to "prove" it with a bunch of inarticulate and silly stuff about water cans, though.
Really now?
You've never seen the moon?
Have you ever been outsid- you know what, I'm just going assume this is a joke, along with the rest of this site.
Please, please in the name of all that is beautiful and holy let this entire site be a joke.
She's got the faith of a little child, sure.
A little child could also probably correct all of her elementary scientific stupidities. Just because you're IGNORANT doesn't mean it's MAGICAL.
Er, that would be the brains of a little child. A very, very little child.
When my daughter was about five, I explained clouds and humidity, and how when the temperature drops, the air can't hold so much water, so... She interrupted me to say "Then it leaks!" She understood it better than you do.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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