Amos Moses:
if it as music espouses things that are in opposition to christianity ...... then it is antithetical to it ...

TheKingofRhye:
Okay, fine. But what if it doesn't?

Amos Moses:
null set ..... it all pretty much does ...... either in word or in content or in context or in presentation ..........

TheKingofRhye:
I guess I missed the part of the Bible that had the commandment "thou shalt not rock".

Amos Moses:
you miss a lot of scripture ...... modern music is OF the world and antithetical to christianity ......

Tristan Fry:
How about instrumental modern music?

Amos Moses:
the beat and the instruments used are more central to the issue than anything else .........

Tristan Fry:
How can they be? There are no words.

Amos Moses:
deceptive then ... isnt it ........

Tristan Fry:
How do you deceive anyone when you say nothing?

Amos Moses:
saying something is not required ..... the music brings about an emotional response ...... words are not needed ...... the emotional response to it is antithetical to christianity .....

Tristan Fry:
No, I disagree. That makes no sense. If there are no words there is nothing but a visceral response to the music. Some people will like louder and more boisterous music and others quieter and more reflective. It is PURELY a matter of personal opinion and personal taste.

Amos Moses:
i do not care if you disagree ............. it is not a matter of "opinion" ...... Christ asks us to fill our minds with Him ...... the music causes that to be abandoned ...... it is antithetical to christianity ............. it is of the world ...... it is deceptive and the proof of that is .... you "disagree" ............ it is the same reaction of the mind to a drug ...... there are no words ..... and yet your mind is affected ........... the neuro-chemical reaction to the music is the drug .............

Tristan Fry:
You're not even talking about something that can be discussed with words, it's purely sounds that are going to be agreeable to some and disagreeable to others, so how can you even say any of this? Listening to music doesn't cause Christ to be "abandoned" from the mind, some of the most beautiful music in the world such as Handel's Messiah (which has many instrumental passages) puts the listener in mind of Christ very effectively.

Amos Moses:
drugs do not need words ...... sounds cause neuro-chemical effects and changes in the brain ..... or do you deny this ....."Listening to music doesn't cause Christ to be "abandoned" from the mind," ... it most certainly does ....... even "Handel's Messiah" .......... but that is not a modern work either ..... but the effects of music on the mind are not in dispute .............

Tristan Fry:
You still don't realize that what you're basically doing here is saying you understand God's taste in music better than anyone else. That's a ridiculous argument to be having so I'm not going to continue.