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YouTube shooting suspect dead; identified as female

The question is: what do they mean by female? Do they mean a biological woman born woman with XX chromosomes? Or do they mean a male who feeeeeeeeeeeeeels like a lady and therefore is somehow a "female"?

It will be a bit of time before we know. Since this is a tech company, the latter seems like a safer bet due to the glut of TIMs in tech. I will be very surprised if the assailant turns out to be an actual female, but stranger things have certainly happened. If the attacker is a TIM, I sense a push towards peak trans coming for the US.

I'd rather not speculate. Amy Bishop is a woman, after all. Women occasionally have violent impulses and act on them for a whole host of reasons. Maybe you should consider deleting this comment before it gives the trolls ammunition.

I honestly could care less what the trolls / stalkers make of any comment I've made, this one included.

I did allow for the possibility that the shooter might be an actual woman by saying "stranger things have happened".

However, it is true that TIMs retain male patterns of crime rates and further that TIMs are per capita much better represented in tech than actual women are.

It's also interesting to simply consider that we are now at a point where we are forced to speculate if the use of the term "female" implies an actual biological woman or a male who says he feels like a woman. We can't know off the bat if this is a real woman or not, due to the rapid way in which that word has shifted in meaning over the past few years. That's quite chilling, really.

It's quite normal to speculate on current events such as this type of shooting, as they've very sadly become rather commonplace. You don't have to do so, and of course you're allowed to state that you don't want to and don't think others should either, but in turn I will state that I think it's perfectly fine to speculate and warranted in this case, since it's incredibly rare than an XX female would commit a crime like this (even though it does happen in a few extremely rare cases).

This. We are told the shooter is female, but that word is so meaningless in the mainstream now that we don't know what is meant by this information. We shouldn't be having to speculate about this. We should hear that a woman has shot people and be, "Woah! A female shooter, how crazy is that, what does this mean....." Instead we are here wondering, is it actually a woman? The shift in language because of the trans agenda is really messing with everything.


Because we are socialised to not be angry, but to be compliant and passive and most importantly, nice. It's internalised in us to not react violently and certainly not with deadly force. Even when we do reach boiling point, our socialisation still holds us back so that we never or at least very rarely react fully and release everything that is pent up inside of us. It's just not nice to be angry you know.

Men however are socialised in the opposite way. Be angry, be strong, stand up for yourself, don't take shit, never be compliant, get what you want at all costs. That sort of thing just screams "shoot everyone if they look at you funny".

I don't want to be blamed as a group for something a male may have done. I found so much of this account, from the 12-hour ride up from Riverside, the shooter knowing where the bf was, the suicide afterward, to have been so male-pattern.

This person is tall, wears scarves around the person's neck often, and in his performances is angry in a male way. Plus, in this person's country, SRS is the prescribed remedy for a gay male.

The other thread appears to have been deleted, for reasons unknown. I hope it's not because the mods think it makes us 'look bad'. As you say, we are perfectly within our rights to speculate about this shooter's actual sex, given that the media is now regularly reporting male crimes as female ones.

Speaking of which, I think this person is almost certainly male. Take a look at the photos in this Daily Mail story, especially the one where he's holding a bunny. Looks like a male body, male neck, male face to me, and I'm a bit baffled that many don't seem to see it.

One of the comments on the DM site says 'Is that a man', but there are many more observing that something looks 'weird' or 'not right' about 'her' face. (One commenter says 'she' looks like an alien, while another says 'she' reminds him of an avatar from the Sims.) I guess femininity cues do throw people, such that their brain will categorise a male person as 'female' based on those cues, while also simultaneously observing that that isn't a female facial structure, hence the uncanny valley feeling that arises telling them that something is 'not right' about the face.

I don't think this will ever be admitted openly by the media. If he'd been a white, US-born TIM it probably would have been, as his trans status would likely have been part of both his social and online identities. But because he is (most likely) an Iranian gay man who transitioned very young, he's unlikely to have been open about being trans to many people, and I very much doubt his family will be inclined to mention it to the media either.

So now we can all be subjected to the joys of think pieces that ponder the meaning and motives of 'female' mass shooters. Just like when trans Twitter engineer Dana McCallum raped and beat his wife, one of the liberal rags (Slate I think) took the case as an opportunity to highlight the problem of 'lesbian' domestic violence.

In the next couple of years, we will probably see handwringing about the inexplicable rise in the number of 'female' rapists and pedophiles, which will allegedly show that our previous beliefs about these being male-pattern crimes were 'wrong'. It really is chilling, how completely the media is cooperating in this Orwellian reversal of reality.

Sorry about your penis, inseminator.

various TERFs, r/GenderCritical 20 Comments [4/15/2018 8:28:30 PM]
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Its always interesting to see the stupid stuff people will make up to try to place everything properly within their biased world view.

4/15/2018 10:29:09 PM


I honestly could care less what the trolls/stalkers make of any comment

'I could care less'

That means you do care!

At least a little!

4/16/2018 1:17:02 AM

Happy Atheist

She was not trans, and she wasn't even in tech. Do some actual research before making claims, eh?

Reminds me of when Christian fundamentalists hypothesise the person responsible for any given disaster or distinctly non-ISIS related terrorism must be an atheist, or gay, or a gay atheist, with no evidence to support it beyond: they did a bad thing, and I think these people are bad.

4/16/2018 1:20:24 AM


Ugh, terfs can go fuck a cactus for all I care. What a horrific waste of oxygen and space.

4/16/2018 1:37:38 AM



What does it matter which gender a dead person had? What does it matter which gender other people have?

Your gender only matters to you, and perhaps to your significant other. To everyone else it is (or ought to be) redundant, uninteresting, like your shoe-size.

4/16/2018 1:55:08 AM


Shouldn't this be in SSTDT?

4/16/2018 2:38:02 AM

Logic Lad

Wow, nothing like a bit of baseless speculation to real show what a balanced approach you have to an issue.

4/16/2018 2:43:21 AM


...and your jumping to conclusions like this - without knowing the full facts in advance, prior to formulating a response - is why anything you say has no validity whatsoever.

And that's why the likes of you - least of all your so-called 'Opinions' - have no right to be listened to.

4/16/2018 2:47:15 AM


Moved to SSTDT.

As for the TERFS...
I have seen what the shooter looks like. She's well within the normal parameters of the range of physical appearances of ciswomen, you morons. You're just going through mental hoops in order to paint her as no true Scotsm... sorry, WOman.

If the facts don't fit the theory, then to hell with the facts!

4/16/2018 4:04:47 AM


I bet that half or more of the accusations of transness are false. Even if you have a 1% false positive rate (edit: and a 1% false negative rate), because only 1% of people are trans...

7 billion people * 99% of the population * 1% false positive rate = 7 billion people * 1% of the population * 99% correct positive rate

I hope you're not too worried about half of the people you accuse of being trans actually being cisgender.

4/16/2018 6:20:20 AM


"Hey, I know! Let's seize on a random tragedy as an excuse to hate on trans people, because we're a pack of stupid vicious fucking assholes!"

4/16/2018 9:38:08 AM


What a load of ass-pulling and blood-libelish speculation and right in the morning too!

Good luck with your stereotypes which say every woman not looking like a cute little playboy playmate must be a MAN in disguise and which you oh so joyfully enforce, better than a hundred stepford bots on their stepfordmacs or whatever you wanna insert here. You are what you hate, bitches.

4/16/2018 10:34:07 AM


TERFs are the fucking worst.

4/16/2018 10:43:28 AM


Ah, TERFs never disappoint. Because of course, all "tru wombyn" are small, tiny-boned, pencil-necked, small-faced, gooey little packages of sweetness and submisivity that shit rainbows and love nothing more than singing with birds, knitting, obeying and being scared of men and never doing anything wrong. There totally isn't any physical or mental variation between the bilions of ciswomen living in this world. Because if there is one way to defeat patriarchy, it's to force everyone to conform to exaggerated stereotypes. No she wasn't a man. She wasn't trans either. She was what you refer to as an "actual woman".

I don't want to be blamed as a group for something a male may have done.

I love this sentence. Perfectly shows how pathetic this person is. Really? You and your cohorts have been, for years, creating bizzare conspiracies about how trans people are coming for you and everyone else (despite reality working pretty much the opposite way) as well as using every male-caused tragic event possible to promote your misandry and gender separatism. And now you are scared of the same being used against you. Despite the fact that there has been pretty much no-one calling out women as a group for this. Can dish it out, can't take it. Typical snowflake bully mentality. TERFs may not be exactly right-wingers, but they definitely share the peculiar trait of calling everyone "snowflakes", while being the most pathetic snowflakes themselves.

Just like when trans Twitter engineer Dana McCallum raped and beat his wife, one of the liberal rags (Slate I think) took the case as an opportunity to highlight the problem of 'lesbian' domestic violence.

Yep, and they did it much better then when Jezebel (a "feminist rag", so to speak, if there ever was one), decided to talk about the female-on-male variant:

That aside, if you truly think lesbian domestic violence is not a problem which needs to be adressed (just like all other variants(and yes, the case you cite was an example of this, since it involved two women) ), then you must be living on a different planet.

In a 2010 Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) study, reporting on domestic violence in the U.S., 26% of gay men said that they experienced physical violence, stalking, or rape by their partners.[19] 29% of heterosexual men reported similar violence in the same study.

The CDC also stated that 40% of lesbian women reported physical violence by their partners, and 44% reported experiencing physical violence, stalking, or rape by their partners. In contrast, 35% of heterosexual women reported physical violence, stalking, or rape by their partners in the same study.[19]


In the next couple of years, we will probably see handwringing about the inexplicable rise in the number of 'female' rapists and pedophiles, which will allegedly show that our previous beliefs about these being male-pattern crimes were 'wrong'.

Yes, in the next couple of years there will, hopefully, be a rising number of female rapists seen. But it won't be because of rapist transwomen, but simply because more people victimized by females will come forward, instead of being silent due to society simply not taking the issue of female violence seriously. So far, we have studies like this indicating what is currently being ignored (and yes, it definitely shows your ideas about those crimes to be wrong):

The results were surprising. For example, the CDC’s nationally representative data revealed that over one year, men and women were equally likely to experience nonconsensual sex, and most male victims reported female perpetrators. Over their lifetime, 79 percent of men who were “made to penetrate” someone else (a form of rape, in the view of most researchers) reported female perpetrators. Likewise, most men who experienced sexual coercion and unwanted sexual contact had female perpetrators.

We also pooled four years of the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) data and found that 35 percent of male victims who experienced rape or sexual assault reported at least one female perpetrator. Among those who were raped or sexually assaulted by a woman, 58 percent of male victims and 41 percent of female victims reported that the incident involved a violent attack, meaning the female perpetrator hit, knocked down or otherwise attacked the victim, many of whom reported injuries.

And, because we had previously shown that nearly one million incidents of sexual victimization happen in our nation’s prisons and jails each year, we knew that no analysis of sexual victimization in the U.S. would be complete without a look at sexual abuse happening behind bars. We found that, contrary to assumptions, the biggest threat to women serving time does not come from male corrections staff. Instead, female victims are more than three times as likely to experience sexual abuse by other women inmates than by male staff.

Also surprisingly, women inmates are more likely to be abused by other inmates than are male inmates, disrupting the long held view that sexual violence in prison is mainly about men assaulting men. In juvenile corrections facilities, female staff are also a much more significant threat than male staff; more than nine in ten juveniles who reported staff sexual victimization were abused by a woman.

A recent study of youth found, strikingly, that females comprise 48 percent of those who self-reported committing rape or attempted rape at age 18-19.

And “a 2012 study using data from the U. S. Census Bureau’s nationally representative National Epidemiologic Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions found in a sample of 43,000 adults little difference in the sex of self-reported sexual perpetrators. Of those who affirmed that they had ‘ever forced someone to have sex with you against their will,’ 43.6 percent were female and 56.4 percent were male.”

Stemple’s team also considered data from college samples. Most recently, a 2014 study of 284 men and boys in college found that 43 reported having been sexually coerced, mostly unwanted sexual intercourse, with 95 per cent of the perpetrators reported as being female. An earlier survey obtained anecdotal descriptions of sexual violence from perpetrators. One woman described how she “locked the room door that we were in. I kissed and touched him. I removed his shirt and unzipped his pants. He asked me stop. I didn’t. Then I sat on top of him.”

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Sorry about your penis, inseminator.

I... would really like to know the context behind this.

4/16/2018 12:49:24 PM


All Straw Scotsmen strikes again! (Only Group X is evil enough to do thing, therefore thing-doer must be member of Group X)

4/16/2018 2:08:58 PM


Oh for goodness sake, people are people. Apparently you lead privileged little lives if this is the best thing you have to gripe about.

4/17/2018 6:30:11 AM

Doubting Thomas

While it's a given that mass shootings are normally committed by (white) men, that doesn't mean a woman can't do the same thing.

4/17/2018 6:46:35 AM



4/17/2018 2:32:19 PM

Dizzy Dream

Methinks these ladies could stand to watch a few episodes of 'Deadly Women' or 'Martina Cole's Lady Killers'.

4/18/2018 10:05:28 AM


The lengths people will go to not be wrong...

4/19/2018 8:45:07 AM

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