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You dismiss people's religious beliefs rather cavalierly. I don't rely on faith healing, personally, but I have no problem with those who do. As I pointed out in another place, when parents are prosecuted for not seeking care, what's really happening is that the State is attempting to punish adults for having different values than the State. The State's value is "Physical life and health are the highest values, nothing else competes." But many people believe that there is something more important and valuable than physical life. If such a person enacts such a value in the life of his child, the State has a fit and says, "NO, you must enact MY value instead -- physical life is the most important thing!" So, either you have parents enacting their values in the child's life, or you have the State enacting its values in the child's life. I think the parents have a higher claim to be the ones to choose the value, rather than the State. And personally, I don't care if the parents' values are based on religion, philosophy, science, materialism, political idealism, or anything else. It's easy to look in from the outside and say, "Those poor children, they're at risk." But you don't know the richness of their inner experience, which their parents may be expert at imparting, because they have a purpose in life that's higher than simply continuing to exist.

If parents starved their child to death, that would be horrible. Only a miniscule percentages of parents are so malicious. There are SO many more likely threats to a child's life, I find it kind of silly to hyperventilate over this rare hypothetical. There are better targets for self-righteous rage. The vast majority of parents would give their own lives for their children, and they deserve the benefit of any doubt, as well as the assumption that they do, indeed, act in their children's best interests as they understand them. That might not be the way YOU understand them, but really? It's not even your business.

People act to preserve their children's well-being in different ways. Sometimes taking your child to the doctor is a harmful thing to do, such as in the Stiehler (sp?) case that's ongoing in Michigan right now. Without knowing exactly what was wrong with the 7-month-old in this case, without knowing how easy it was to KNOW that something was wrong, and without knowing the efficacy of various forms of treatment, it's impossible to judge whether the parents did "enough" to care for their child. A large part of the tyrrany of the medical establishment consists in its ability to hookwink everybody into thinking that it has the only solutions, or the only valid solutions. There is often a scientific reason to refuse medical treatment, not just a religious reason.

indentitee, r/libertarian 5 Comments [8/10/2018 11:20:47 AM]
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indentitee: "The State needs to stop dissing the authoritah of Religion, GODDAMMIT!!!"

8/10/2018 12:13:26 PM

Christians also disregard people's religious beliefs. I hope you condemn that

8/10/2018 12:45:42 PM


So it is bad for the state to disregard the parents' chosen religion, but it is OK for the parents to disregard the rights of the child (who has never declared a preference of religion and is too young to know enough to choose)?

Religion is a choice. Your parents are not; they're imposed upon you. And some of them are real assholes.

8/10/2018 12:54:03 PM


" But many people believe that there is something more important and valuable than physical life."

So? If your personal values are incompatibile with a rational, scientific view, then they have to give way, you`ve no right to practice them anymore if they interfere with others well being, like, you know, your own fucking kids.

8/10/2018 1:04:50 PM


The state-controlled National Health Service here in Britain.

Malala Yousafzai agrees, don't bother her about it.

Unless your precious religious 'Faith' can heal a 7.62mm round to the head, her example proves you don't have the right to so much as think otherwise: when more than just her ability to think was preserved by our medical establishment.

And she was the target of self-righteous rage. Her continued existence, Nobel Peace Prize, and entering University makes her Taliban enemies hyperventilate impotently.

If that's not your reaction, then what's your problem with medical science succeeding with your precious 'religion' - blowing it's fucking brains out metaphorically - where the Taliban failed with Ms. Yousafzai: literally...?!

If her Muslim parents had no problem with our expert doctors, consultants, neurosurgeons etc, what's yours...?!

8/10/2018 2:16:44 PM

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