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Today, The Film industry of India (2nd largest in World) celebrated this move as a Festival. And now more and more LGBT movies will come up. LGBT will be as normal as hetro sexuality.

In India nobody gives a damn on public display of "LOVE". So now we'll be witnessing homosexual display too. Fitnah of Dajjal is spreading fast.

Dajjal - THE GLOBAL ARROGANCE SYSTEM. India is following the footsteps of America (the Great Satan).

Waseem162, ShiaChat 12 Comments [9/12/2018 1:44:16 AM]
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hydrolythe

In India most people are Hindu. Learn that not every religion ever shares your perspective of LGBT rights.

9/12/2018 2:36:02 AM

Happy Atheist

Drop the last three sentences, and I am all on board.

9/12/2018 4:39:49 AM

Doubting Thomas

LGBT will be as normal as hetro sexuality.


You say that like it's a bad thing.

9/12/2018 6:02:57 AM

Skide

You`re not even of majority religion in India, assuming you actually live there in the first place. In your ignorance, you of course just assume every faith there is must be some version of your abrahamic filth.

9/12/2018 6:53:06 AM

Anon-e-moose

Do you give a damn about England beating India - by 118 runs - in the 5th Cricket Test Match?

The 2013 Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act. The Mayor of our country's capital has a Fatwa out on him for his pro-LGBT policies: Sadiq Khan is a Muslim.

Enjoy your paradox, Seem ChiaShat.

9/12/2018 8:15:22 AM

Zinnia

Despite the Hijrah (at catchall category of male-bodied individuals who live a pseudo-female role, whether by choice or by force, due to being 'insufficiently masculine') being a significant part of the history and culture of India, until fairly recently the country has been behind most of the world in LGBT+ issues. They're catching up, though.

9/12/2018 3:53:20 PM

SpukiKitty

I always found India's sexism, prudery and homophobia really strange since it's a nation where the majority follows a faith full of gender-bending half-naked Deities (including some super-badass and pro-woman female ones) and regards POWER as a Feminine thing.

It's the country that gave the world the Kama Sutra and home to a famous temple with weird orgy scenes carved on it.

Okay; There's sexism and yammerin' about modesty in many of the Hindu scriptures, but it's not universal and Hinduism is more a vague collection of faiths with different approaches. Dharmic faith tends to also be fluid and shades-of-greyish.

The OP's a Muslim so the top assertion has zilch to do with him.

I'm glad that India's seeing the light.

9/12/2018 7:37:48 PM

Insult to Rocks

India is one of the only nations in the world to recriminalize homosexuality after it was legalized. They only recently decriminalized it again. You're nightmare scenario is unfortunately still a ways away.

9/12/2018 10:22:16 PM

Swede

Yes, and Islam might be as normal in India as Hinduism.
Not being the majority is not a sign of being bad.

9/13/2018 2:26:55 AM

pyro

I always found India's sexism, prudery and homophobia really strange since it's a nation where the majority follows a faith full of gender-bending half-naked Deities (including some super-badass and pro-woman female ones) and regards POWER as a Feminine thing.


They also have the oldest caste system still in use, and Hindu has literally millions of gods for just about anything you claim to think of. No, not "classes" that you're supposed to be able to earn, "castes" that you're born into for life.

Source: second-hand knowledge from an India->US immigrant, so he probably has a particularly negative view of the place.

9/13/2018 4:42:41 PM



If India is it would improve. After all countries that are fine with LGBT are doing better than homophobic ones

9/13/2018 4:48:19 PM

SpukiKitty

@pyro

I'm aware of that crappy caste system. I'm glad it's technically illegal. Unfortunately, like dowries, many folks still want to follow it and the Indian Govt. doesn't bother enforcing the ban on castes and dowries.

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I read somewhere that, long ago, when the Vedas were compiled, the Varnas (where the caste system comes from) was something a lot more vague and akin to "Four Temperaments" but applied to souls and careers as well....like a psycho-spititual take on "Choleric, Melancholic, Phlegmatic & Sanguine". This was applied to suggested career branches. However; Over time, it became a rigid, oppressive social class thing.

The Varnas are mentioned in Hindu Scripture but I prefer to reinterpret it as a sort of Vedic version of the "Four Temperaments". I personally think that's a better way to apply it....and that one's Varna can change and fluctuate over one's lifetime.

I could probably create correspondences between both systems....
* BRAHMIN (Priests, Sages, Scholars, Teachers) - MELANCHOLIC
* KSHATRIYA (Rulers, Politicians, Warriors, Administrators) - CHOLERIC
* VAISHYA (Farmers, Traders, Bankers, Merchants) - PHLEGMATIC
* SHUDRA (Laborers, Craftspeople, Artists, Service Providers) - SANGUINE
....I tried to find the closest equivalent. I'm a Universalist who likes to blend East & West.

As a ShaktaPagan (Blending a NeoPagan/Wiccan spirituality with Shakta Hinduism); I have a rather fluid, liberal, sex-positive interpretation of the wisdom of Sanatana Dharma/Vedaism ('Hinduism'). I find Western equivalents and I don't take everything literally. I also apply the "Demiurge" concept when an incredible crappy doctrine is taught.

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Hindu scripture is divided in two categories, Shruti and Smirti. The former is a direct revelation from the Divine and more while the latter is simply an interpretation/view/opinion.

Most of the "problematic" stuff in Hinduism tends to be in the Smirtis. IMHO; Some Smirtis (like the Manu Smirti) are cultural-based demiurgic claptrap that's best left ignored and left in ancient India where it belongs.

I also reject the 7 th part (or Kanda) of The Ramayana (which was a much later addition and turns the story into a giant 'Shaggy Dog Story' with Rama rejecting Sita because of the rumor-mongering of one random jerkass abusive husband. Sita had already proven that she didn't have sex with her kidnapper, Ravana but Rama was a dumbass who didn't bother standing up for the truth and refuting that jerk guy. Hindus regard Rama as the 'Perfect King and Husband' yet the 7th section turns him into an asshole. The 7th Kanda also has Rama murder a Shudra who was performing a Ritual meant for another Varna). IMHO; The Ramayana has 6 Kandas and ends with the triumphant coronation of Rama & Sita and "they lived happily ever after".

The Vedas, Early (Mukhya) Upanishads, Samhitas, Brahmanas and Aranyakas are Shruti. Later and Sectarian Upanishads, The Puranas and Epics and other works on Morals, Ethics, etc. are Smirti. Smirtis are far more open to interpretation.

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In a nutshell; My point is that India can liberalize, modernize, become feminist, pro-LGBTAQ, sex-positive, etc. and still stay true to the Hindu faith.

Also; Faith and State are best kept apart, not everyone in India is Hindu and different faiths should find common ground and get along. Allah/YHVH can be equated with The ParaBrahman. The Christian Jesus can be equated with Vishnu, etc.

True Hinduism is Universalist and sees all deities as true and valid. Jerks like Hindutva are dumbasses.

9/13/2018 9:14:36 PM

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