Darwin's sister gave that account as factual. I did my homework. Whether he did or not, I agree that it is not an argument against evolution; however, it does show that a once disgruntled preacher was afraid to face the God he had tried to demonstrate didn't exist. He knew down deep inside that God does exist. That is what this proves. As to proving evolution, all one needs to do is to realize that the basic hypothesis of the man made theory is based on imagination; not fact. The way to form a genuine theory is NOT to start with fiction and try to prove it; rather, it is to start with fact and figure out the best explanation one can. Evolution at its very heart is fiction that scientists struggle and cheat in order to "prove" it is real. But, there is no "monkey / man" or "dog / cat" because evolution simply did not happen. God created it, just as the Biblical account declares.
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If Darwin didn't (and every evidence points towards that), then nothing shows that he was afraid to face God. He didn't tried to demonstrate that God doesn't exist, either. As he studied theology (not uncommon among scientists of old), he was probably convinced that God does exist.
This proves nothing, as you haven't even proven whether he did it or not.
Evolution is proven every day, both in nature and in laboratories.
The basic hypothesis of the man-made theory? You haven't got a clue how science works, do you?
RELIGION starts with fiction and tries to prove it, not science.
Evolution is not about "monkey/man" or "dog/cat", it's about adaptation, and it simply happens all the time.
God created evolution? Possibly, yes, if he exists.
"When I use the word evolution," pastoredsmith said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean neither more nor less."
"Darwin's sister gave that account as factual." - And she was still lying through her pretty little teeth.
"I did my homework." - Your post demonstrates otherwise (and no, re-reading Genesis does not count as "homework" in this context).
"Whether he did or not, I agree that it is not an argument against evolution" - Good.
"however, it does show that a once disgruntled preacher was afraid to face the God he had tried to demonstrate didn't exist." - except that Darwin's deathbed conversion has been repeatedly and thoroughly debunked. Also, the theory of evolution has nothing to do with demonstrating the existence or non-existence of a deity.
"....the basic hypothesis of the man made theory is based on imagination; not fact." - Sure. Except for the fossils. And the DNA. Etc.
"But, there is no "monkey / man" or "dog / cat" because evolution simply did not happen." - [stage whisper] Pssst, pastor Ed, your ignorance is showing [/stage whisper]
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Thomas L. Nielsen
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'Whether he did or not , I agree that it is not an argument against evolution; however, it does show that a once disgruntled preacher was afraid to face the God he had tried to demonstrate didn't exist. He knew down deep inside that God does exist. That is what this proves. '
Except if he didn't, which you accept is a possibility (and is, in fact, the truth) then it wouldn't show he was afraid to face God. I'll also raise the point that he didn't try to demonstrate the non-existence of any deity, he just followed where his research led him, and referred to himself as agnostic in 1879.
Also, evolution would not result in a monkey man or cat dog. That is not how the process works. No one who understands evolution has ever claimed that is how it works.
evolution simply did not happen. God created it, just as the Biblical account declares
The Church of England disagrees , don't bother them about it.
And when even they admit that Darwin's 'Deathbed Conversion' was a load of bollocks, despite he being in training to join their clergy in his early years: and is a matter of historical fact that upon his discoveries he became an Agnostic , the C-of-E have already ninja'd you as surely as Swede has with me.
...BTW, nice one, there! b^_^d
"...did my homework..."
Yeah, sure. A lie is a lie is a lie.
Darwin was a religious man when he set out on a life of evidence-collecting. He didn't want to believe that the Bible had it wrong on creation - but he admitted that the evidence is so overwhelming that he was led to the conclusions that underpin all of biology even today. Since then there have been many thousands of scientists who have refined and tweaked the theory of evolution, but they all lead to the inescapable conclusion that Darwin was right.
If Darwin had never lived, evolution might actually have been known EARLIER, since Wallace deferred to his elder in the field and waited longer to publish his own work. Evolution is not a one-man show.
The person who claimed that Darwin recanted on his death bed was one "Lady Hope" who dined out the rest of her life on this false story. Darwin's daughter, Henrietta who was at his bedside when he died said the he did not say any such thing, and suggested that Lady Hope never even met Darwin.
Your story is utter bilge.
Norm
The "fiction" here begins with you stating that Darwin wanted to "disprove God" which is utter and total bullshit. He took evidence that quite a few others already noticed, added in years of experience and data he gathered on the Beagle for his common descent theory. YOU are the one postulating that common descent and natural selection mean that God doesn't exist, which is just lazy thinking and hysterical overreaction at once. Darwin never stated this at all as far as I know. And he didn't recant on his deathbed, that stupid lie should have died out decades ago and only survives because people like you just grasp at straws to continue your ignorance.
Frankly, it doesn't matter.
You could show undeniable evidence that Darwin was Satan incarnate, making up lies and spreading a hypothesis that was completely and utterly without support.
You could show that Darwin made up his idea as part of an evil scheme to rape babies and feed Jews into a giant shredder that reduced them into mulch that he used to grow roses to give to his sister in a perverted attempt to engage in incest in the center of London for the gratuitous enjoyment of Queen Victoria herself.
The thing is, even if Darwin didn't believe it, there's enough evidence for the theory to stand on its own. It doesn't matter who it came from, or why it was started. It's backed up by sound science.
Get the fuck over it. We don't worship Darwin. Evolution is not a holy rite.
"Darwin's sister gave that account as factual. I did my homework."
And quiet a few scientists give the Theory of Evolution as factual. And most of them would say that the theory is not an attempt to prove God doesn't exist.
It does make it difficult to take Genesis as a literal history, but if it's allegory, there's no impact by Evolutionary Theory.
Another self styled "preacher" who doesn't have a clue about Darwin, science or evolution. I'm beginning to get really tired of hearing from assholes like this. I spend far too much time patiently explaining to them on Quora and other forums why they don't know what the fuck they're talking about. Here, I feel like I'm among friends and can VENT.
OK, vent over. Thank you for your patience.
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