[Serious] The main problem IMO is that being a masculine man doesn't guarantee you a woman anymore

I remember Joe Rogan talking about incels and he said that incels need to "become men". He specifically suggested training combat sports (martial arts) to help them get more manly and confident, which is expected as he is affiliated with the UFC and is a martial artist enthusiast himself.

Here is the thing though. His advice would have worked like 50 years ago, but it doesn't necessarily help today.

We are now living in a culture (in the West) that gives absolutely no value to masculine men in society. It doesn't value male courage to fight and it doesn't value war heroism or any kind of fighting heroism. In fact, it teaches people the opposite. The only men who are praised for being masculine are the ones who look like Chads, even if their masculinity is largely fake or non-existent (Chad movie actors). If you're not good looking, women won't give a damn about your fighting skills and your courage.

This is the first civilization in history where being a masculine man acting on his natural manly impulses is looked down upon.

This will definitely have very tragic consequences. Back in the old days, it was very different. If you remember my thread about dueling scars, 100 years ago in Germany having a huge scar all over your face was seen as highly valuable because it revealed manly courage. Now it's the opposite, men have to worry about their looks like women basically, it has become ridiculous.

50 years ago, being a working class manly man who knows how to fight would have landed you a woman even if your face was ugly. Today, it doesn't mean absolutely anything.

I can speak from my experience. I've trained boxing and MMA for a long time and have been around the men in this circles. Their success with women is mostly down to looks. The ones who look like Chads will get plenty of women while the ones who don't fit the modern beauty standards will struggle. I've met people who were great badass fighters, had solid jobs and worked hard and are as manly as possible, yet they can't get women and live very lonely.

I'm not saying it doesn't help, it definitely does help those who are high tier normies or chadlites, but for someone who is bellow average in looks it doesn't help much, if at all. If anything, it just makes you look like a brute, and if your body and face get damaged from fighting, your SMV is devalued even further.

So what will happen is that there will be more and more highT lowinhib gymcels and mmacels getting increasingly frustrated and angry. Once manly men like this will stop coping, things can get ugly.

The West really shot itself in the foot by not rewarding manliness.