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It sounds to me like you are dissapointed in how God has made and arranged things and you feel you could do better. Perhaps you could make a perfect world where no one gets sick and no one dies. No one would steal lie or get angry etc. You would have a perfect world. You would then have done a much better job than what God has done right?

Perhaps the child who experiences these physical shortcomings is blessed in other ways that are not obvious to you. Mentally retarded people often bless those around them in many wonderful ways. I have found in my life that I often don't accurately perceive situations and they appear to be one thing but then I find out they were actually something else. I think you may be seeing the limbs missing as the all in all when in fact there are other issues at work you are not seeing. Often times our sufferings humble us in a way that draws us closer to God. I hope you too will experience that closeness and love with God one day soon.

Slim1951, CARM 27 Comments [12/21/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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anevilmeme

Is is almost as sick as Carico's post about what a blessing slavery is.

12/21/2006 11:23:48 PM

Tiny Bulcher

Or, you know, there's no God to arrange things like that. See how simple that is, as an explanation? No tying yourself into moral knots required.

12/21/2006 11:34:39 PM

Agnostic no. 3

\"I have found in my life that I often don't accurately perceive situations [...]\"

We kinda realized that, Slim.

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12/21/2006 11:48:48 PM

Brain_In_A_Jar

I hate to break it to you, dude, but mankind has arranged things better than your God supposedly did. The biblical approach to international politics is generally \"beat the shit out of anyone who thinks or looks different\", whereas man, independently of religious thought, has constructed international organisations with cooperative peace and mutual understanding as their primary objectives. The biblical approach to disease is generally \"shut them outside the village so you don't have to look at them during prayer\", whereas rational human beings, independently of scripture, have developed medical science immensely, not to mention state supported healthcare. The biblical approach to the scientific method and technology is effectively non-existent and the bulk of people in pre-rational societies often lived barely above subsistence level at the best of times, whereas today, in terms of material goods, we have never had it so good. Need I continue?

12/22/2006 12:15:44 AM

Papabear

My sister, an evangelical Christian, has a Downs syndrome son. While we all love him and do the best we can for him, I can assure you Downs syndrome is not a blessing.

12/22/2006 12:19:14 AM

whitewater55

How is the blessing of being a blind sheep coming along, Slim?

12/22/2006 12:27:56 AM

Old Viking

There's nothing like missing limbs to make one feel close to god.

12/22/2006 12:39:01 AM

Napoleon the Clown

Sorry, but when a parent goes to trail for abusing their kid, they don't get off because it \"Made the kid stronger somehow and in some way we can't perceive.\"

12/22/2006 12:55:50 AM

Ed

Yeah, thanks, but I think I'd go for the \"no one gets sick and dies\" bit.

12/22/2006 12:57:47 AM

John

Often times our sufferings humble us in a way that draws us closer to God.

So how come God humbles some of us and not others? How does being born with one eye in the middle of your head and the center of your brain missing and dying within a few days of birth draw you closer to God?

Mentally retarded people often bless those around them in many wonderful ways.

Tell that to the mother of a child born with anencephalia (who will probably have nightmares for the rest of her life just looking at the child for the few minutes or hours that it lives). Medical description:

PATHOGENESIS: both cerebral hemispheres and thus the spinal cord pyramidal tracts are absent; absence of the cerebellum; residue of the brainstem usually present; hypoplastic pituitary gland; the rudimentary brain remaining consists of portions of connective tissue, vessels, and neuroglia.

MANAGEMENT: No Treatment. Most infants are stillborn or die within several days of birth. Organ donation is controversial.

12/22/2006 1:09:49 AM

Puistokemisti

My asshole bleeds, thanks a lot god.
I suppose my ass is holy then.

12/22/2006 3:52:14 AM

Star Cluster

If manufacturers built their products with the same quality control as the Biblical God's in creating the earth and especially humans, they would be sued out of existence inside a week. To supposedly be a perfect being, he sure did a piss poor job of creating a quality product.

12/22/2006 4:32:35 AM

MK

Yeah, I so often hear people praying:

\"Thank you god for making me a double amputee.\"

\"Thank you god for giving me cancer, it feels so wonderful as it gnaws away my bones.\"

\"Thanks for the arthritis, rheumatism, broken hip... I'm truly blessed.\"

\"Thanks for making me a fuckwit and unable to do anything better than babble on CARM.\"


Okay, I've heard the last one a lot, but the others.... no.

12/22/2006 4:45:33 AM

Cat of Many Faces

So you're saying that people are built on a point system?

12/22/2006 6:04:13 AM

Redhunter

Brain_In_A_Jar: Excellent!

The old, \"God kill/tortures/injures you because he loves you\" bit. God sound emotionally crippled if that's the best way he has to say \"Hi\".

Perhaps you could make a perfect world where no one gets sick and no one dies. No one would steal lie or get angry etc. You would have a perfect world. You would then have done a much better job than what God has done right?


If your god is half of what the bible says, and what it's sheep believe, then yes, if I had the powers attributed to god, I would make the world a better place. If I had the power, I'd make it so people didn't starve to death, kill each other in my name, allow tsunami's to wipe out 200,000 people at one shot or for people to get rich in my name. I would also make occasional personal appearances to pick up Bourbon and women, and just to let the folks know that I exist, I don't care what you do in your private lives as long as you aren't hurting anyone, and that if you become an obscene, bastardized version of the human beings that I originally had in mind, like say p.robertson, or bush, I'd smite your self-righteous ass, spanking you loudly and in front of the entire world, so that all would know that you can't push things too far.

But of course, I have powers greater then god because I actually exist. AND I can prove it.

Top that god.

12/22/2006 7:17:16 AM

Matilde

It´s true that the world is not perfect but it doesn´t mean that we have to praise the lord for things which are positively bad. On the contrary, we have to work to improve the situation.

12/22/2006 1:16:18 PM

themann1086

Shorter Slim: Let's see you make a better universe than my all-powerful all-knowing deity!

12/22/2006 3:05:14 PM

Tzelmel

Did Slim1951 just say the nicer equivalent of the Fundie's favourite phrase, \"I hope you rot in Hell\"?

12/22/2006 4:42:17 PM

MILF-chan

Yeah, I reckon I could do a better job than God.

If he's man enough to let me try, he knows where to find me.

12/22/2006 5:36:59 PM

lytefoot

It sounds to me like you are dissapointed in how God has made and arranged things and you feel you could do better. Perhaps you could make a perfect world where no one gets sick and no one dies. No one would steal lie or get angry etc. You would have a perfect world. You would then have done a much better job than what God has done right?


Wow, this is the most extreme case of the \"I'd like to see you do better\" fallacy I've ever seen. Let's go over this one more time. Your god claims to be omnipotent, omni-benevolent, omniscient, and incapable of error. In fact, you folks frequently exempt him even from the bounds of logic. In order to back up these claims, he needs to have created a world in which omni-benevolence is borne out by evidence.

We do not inhabit such a world.

A perfect god such as the one you claim would not create humanity of a sort that needs to be \"humbled\" to become \"close\" to him. (If mankind can act against god's will... he isn't omnipotent, you see? That's what the word means.)

Now, I do not claim the universal ultimate properties ascribed to God. Therefore, I do not need to create a perfect universe to back up those claims. Meanwhile, just as I don't need to be a chef to recognize that my dinner is burned, I don't need to be myself omnipotent to see that the world is imperfect.

12/22/2006 6:11:15 PM

ReikiRobyn

Your comment shows an understanding of why God creates such children and other beloved children who are intersexed, transsexual or even gay or lesbian. The reason is to bring uncondtional love for all people into our lives.


12/22/2006 8:25:22 PM

Greg

Perhaps you could make a perfect world where no one gets sick and no one dies.

Well, if God had made that perfect world, evolution would be disproved. What is that? Oh, I see, you're stuck between upping God and conceding to evolution. Well, have fun with that choice.

12/23/2006 12:05:17 AM

Adrian

So, what exactly are the blessings born out of my having OCD (among other psychological problems) and a damaged back? 'cause without these problems I'd be able to make myself useful in a measurable manner, working as a librarian.

12/23/2006 10:28:11 PM

Coffee

Fundies never get tired of making excuses for their Gawd. I guess it beats admitting their chosen deity is as evil as he is incompetent, or that he doesn't exist at all.

12/25/2006 5:50:08 AM

maja

Redhunter for Deity!

12/25/2006 5:00:56 PM

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