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The women has no rights when she has a baby. There's not that many women who are going to be damaged by having a baby. It's natural, so therefore it doesn't cause harm. If she didn't want a bady, she didn't have to have one. Simple as that!

missions2005, Teens-4-Christ 50 Comments [12/30/2006 12:00:00 AM]
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Fundie approach to a complex moral situation: apply a simplistic model anyway and ignore the bits that don't fit.

12/31/2006 10:36:53 PM


Ectopic pregnancy. Interestingly enough, those can be caused by inflammations in the uterus, which can be caused by various STDs. Kinda makes me wonder whether you're opposed to various types of protection from those. Back on topic, in ectopic pregnancies, the fetus never reaches birth. It ends up effectively killing itself by bursting the area on which it has happened to implant. Thus, aborting the pregnancy kills the fetus and saves the mother (who could potentially go on to have other children), as opposed to killing both the mother and fetus.

In summation, you are an idiot. Learn reproductive anatomy and physiology.

12/31/2006 10:40:13 PM


Fact: During labor a women's vagina has an 80% chance of tearing. And what do you mean she has no rights?

12/31/2006 10:40:41 PM


Natural does not mean free of harm. If it did there wouldn't be 84+ pregnancy risks that could occur at any time.

Why didn't anyone tell me I had a conception switch? This would have come in handy considering not even my medulla oblongata can control sperm.

12/31/2006 10:44:46 PM

Napoleon the Clown

Heart attacks are natural too and yet they are quite harmful.

12/31/2006 10:53:59 PM

Elfgirl M-chan

Teens-4-Christ...more like Teens in need of a basic lesson in science. Lots of things in life are natural, but not all of them are harmLESS. For instance, death is natural, but I wouldn't call that harmless.

I agree with Adrian: what do you mean she has no rights? That's just...not right.

12/31/2006 11:01:51 PM


Nothing in life is simple. I had cancer diagnosed during one pregnancy. You can read my blog about it at the Rational Response Squad. Then I was diagnosed with peripartum cardiomyopathy which left me with a very low EF. If I become pregnant again despite all precautions*, I will certainly die from heart failure. Just because something is natural doesn't mean it's safe.

*A Catholic woman in my support group was not given a Papal dispensation to use birth control or get her tubes tied after having peripartum cardiomyopathy. She died 5 years later after another birth.

12/31/2006 11:03:46 PM


My wisdom teeth are natural, and as much as I'd like to keep them, they could hurt or even kill me.

12/31/2006 11:08:29 PM


\"The women has no rights when she has a baby.\"

The WOMAN DOES have rights whether or not she is a mother.

\"There's not that many women who are going to be damaged by having a baby.\"

Before modern medicine and in countries without modern medical care, one of the major causes of death in women of child-bearing age is child birth.

\"It's natural, so therefore it doesn't cause harm.\"

No, child birth can cause serious injuries or death.

The appendix is natural, too. Hemlock is natural. Rabid wolverines are natural. Falling off a cliff can be natural. Pneumonia is natural.

\"If she didn't want a bady, she didn't have to have one. Simple as that!\"

I know of no woman who wants a \"bady.\"

As long as good, safe contraceptives and safe, modern medical abortions are available, along with acceptance and enforcement of a woman's right to say no to sex, that sentence is true. Simple as that.

12/31/2006 11:17:31 PM


Natural things cause harm all the time. Ever hear of poisonous plants or predatory creatures? Using natural herbs may be an important part of living a healthy life, but by your logic we should make use of all of them or none since it's impossible that one could cause you harm just as it's supposedly near impossible for a mother to die in childbirth in your opinion. Btw, it actually does happen all the time and would to a much greater extent if it were not for \"unnatural\" medical science.

12/31/2006 11:31:54 PM


The women has no rights when she has a baby.

What if it's a female fetus? Those are worthless, right?

12/31/2006 11:34:47 PM


Whoa, well hey, how about that cancer, eh? Completely safe!

1/1/2007 12:00:25 AM

Mary Sunshine

Oh, man. What do we expect from the Randybots at T4C?

1/1/2007 12:00:43 AM


Dying's natural too you know.

1/1/2007 12:04:24 AM


WTF?. If a woman, according to you, have not rights when being mothers, don´t expect a birth Blossom.

1/1/2007 12:08:25 AM


Reminds me of those advertisements that claim \"It's all-natural\". Tobacco's all natural..

1/1/2007 2:34:45 AM

The Jamo

Okay, here we go again!

The women has no rights when she has a baby.

Firat of all, it's either \"women HAVE no rights\" or \"the WOMAN has no rights\". But even IF you got that correct, that still does not excuse the sheer stupidity of what it means. Women do have rights and they fought long and hard for them. Fucktards like you are only a minor annoyance these days. When it comes to a pregnancy, it should only be the pregnant woman who decides how she goes about it. Why, you ask? Because it's her body, moron!

There's not that many women who are going to be damaged by having a baby.

Many women suffer greatly because of ectopic pregnancies and pregnancy related diseases. Your level of compassion is truly abhorrent.

It's natural, so therefore it doesn't cause harm.

Yeah! Cancer is natural too so obviously it doesn't cause harm. Bees are natural too so they cant bite you, and even if they do, your allergy is natural too... so you'll live! Hooray for stupidity! [/sarcasm]

If she didn't want a bady, she didn't have to have one. Simple as that!

I have no way of telling, but I would guess that you are a male. It's easy to tell someone what to do when you're not the one who has to suffer the consequences, isn't it? You fucking fundies need to get a few things through those concrete skulls, but one of the first ones should be this: a pregnancy is the responsibility of both of the parents. Blaming the woman and abandoning her while denying her rights to deal with the pregnancy is one of the vilest, most disgusting things that you can do. The world would be better off without shitsacks like you.

1/1/2007 3:34:09 AM


If she didn't want a baby, she didn't have to have one.
Duh! That's what pro-choice is all about. But it doesn't sound consistent with what your said before. Make up your mind first.

1/1/2007 4:08:24 AM

David D.G.

The women has no rights when she has a baby.

Two points here:

* Learn proper grammar, please.

* Learn that women DO have rights, before, during, and after pregnancy/birth. WOMEN ARE PEOPLE, and they have human rights; no sane person believes otherwise.

\"There's not that many women who are going to be damaged by having a baby.\"

Actually, there are quite a lot of women whose pregnancies carry a degree of risk -- some not so much, others a lot. My ex-wife, for one, tends to have high-risk pregnancies. And whether the number of women risking damage or death is large or small makes no difference when one of them is YOU (or your wife, mother, sister, friend, etc.) suddenly that number is far too high, and it matters a heck of a lot!

This poster not only grossly trivializes the possibilities of death and suffering that many women risk in pregnancy and childbirth, but he or she is blithely assuming a lot of things about the world that are blatantly in conflict with the way it actually works. Time usually has a way of eventually smacking one upside the head to educate one on such matters; in this person's case, I hope this happens sooner rather than later.

~David D.G.

1/1/2007 4:20:25 AM


The woman has no rights? So she gets pregnant and that's it, she's somebody else's chattel?

Here's hoping missions never figures out how to reproduce. Egad.

1/1/2007 11:00:56 AM


Hey there, fundiecakes, I hate to disagree with you, but worldwide, pregnancy and childbirth are the two leading causes of death and disability among women of childbearing age.

Having a child may be natural, but it's also the riskiest thing most women will do in their lives in terms of their health.

Oh, and you're right. If a woman doesn't want to have a baby, she doesn't have to have one. It's called choice, and at least where I live it can be implemented both before and after conception.

1/1/2007 11:11:07 AM


Dear Deluded By Bro. Randy Fundie Teen:

Women DO have rights. Childbirth is indeed natural but it's hardly safe and yes, women still die from complications during pregnancy and delivery. When you are older you may actually understand these things.

1/1/2007 12:06:06 PM


Well, in the year 2000, 529,000 women died in the course of giving birth. It is true that most of these deaths could have been prevented medically, and less than 1% of them occured in the developed world, but it is clear that worldwide, pregnancy can be a risky proposition.

And arsenic is \"natural.\" So is cyanide. And snake venom. And asbestos. And uranium. And chlorine. And coal dust. And cholesterol. And a million other things that can \"harm\" you. The idea that if it's \"natural\" it can't hurt you is ludicrous. Hell, great white sharks are \"natural.\" Want to pet one?

1/1/2007 3:46:51 PM

Madame Scarlet

Uranium is also natural, so therefore it doesn't cause harm.

1/2/2007 3:28:59 AM


Fucking shit. T4C just makes it too easy.

1/2/2007 9:37:20 AM

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