As I already said numerous times, the universe (or multiverse) does not have the property of being able to create itself. A creator does. And a creator also has the property of creating itself. It is the most logical answer.
Yeah 'Goddidit'.
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You don't know what the universe has or has not the properties of, you don't know if a creator exists/existed, you don't know what properties a creator would have/does have, the thought of a pre-existing or self creating creator does nothing to answer the questions of the universe. That is one of the most illogical conclusions that you could've come up with. Why don't you just attribute it all to granite chunks or icicles?
But, Avatar, your claim is easily challenged by simply asking who created the creator! You cannot have as a central tenet the idea that god created the universe unless you are prepared to show where god came from. And simply saying that god has always been there could be challenged with the statement that the universe has always been there, which would beg the statement - If the universe has always been there, then there would be no need for a creator.
A brilliant, shimmering, multi-faceted gem of pure, unadultered stupidity.
Amos : One could ask the same thing of science and get much the same resounding silence.The Watcher : I'd thought Terry Pratchett coined the term, and in any case, yeah, a little blending there.
Boy,
Fundy debunking the Big bang: (once you get through all the strawmen)Where did God come from?
2. God made God.
So God came from nothing then?
3. Yeh, but he's God.
So is "he" nothing, or a something that can't come from nothing?
4. Huh? 'Goddidit' 'Goddidit' 'Goddidit' LALALALALALA!
The Universe can be seen as a creator*, and as such, can create itself, according to you.
Yours is the least logical answer, dearie. You wouldn't recognize "logic" if it jumped up and bit you on the knee.
Universe, has always been but not always in this form.
Logic, you're not using any such process.
"A creator" poses more questions than it answers. Where is the creator? How does he know when we need help? And why, when he smites a community for immorality, does he usually end up missing it entirely? He sends hurricanes to the Gulf states every time some gays get married in Massachusetts. Er...no...not every time. He sends hurricanes in HURRICANE SEASON. Earthquakes go to places with active fault lines. God's a lazy bugger, and takes advantage of natural phenomena all the time. He is getting quite good at it.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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