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The Proof that God exists is that without Him you couldn't prove anything..........

I am not saying that professed unbelievers do not prove things....... The argument is that you must borrow from the Christian worldview, and a God who makes universal, immaterial, unchanging laws possible in order to prove anything........

In logic, this type of proof is called 'transcendental logic,' or 'the impossibility of the contrary,' where God is the basis for any rational thought........ Only the Christian worldview can logically support rationality........

Truth, Topix.com 40 Comments [3/12/2008 2:31:40 PM]
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Brain_In_A_Jar

You speak madness!

Unchanging laws, ie a deterministic universe, make an omnipotent god impossible, or at the very least useless - that god could never do anything that wasn't already going to happen as if he wasn't there.

3/12/2008 2:37:36 PM

Thundersqueaks

Presuppositional circular tripe.

3/12/2008 2:39:56 PM

szena

How can you simultaneously believe that God makes universal, unchanging laws which are the basis for all human knowledge and that God can do anything he wants, including violating those laws?

3/12/2008 2:45:25 PM

tmr

"Only the Christian worldview can logically support rationality"

Fundamental, self centered, irrational "logic" at its best.

3/12/2008 2:48:46 PM

Doctor Whom

Christians and Jews borrowed the concept of the Logos from the classical Greek worldview, unless of course the "Time Machine for Satan" was in use yet again.

3/12/2008 2:56:16 PM

Blackvoice

I don't get it. Maybe I'm stupid, but I don't need god to prove anything.

3/12/2008 2:59:13 PM



So, If I make a experiment to demonstrate that mouses who are administered metadone react in a certain way, am I invoking a deus ex machina in some moment?

3/12/2008 3:08:09 PM

Jezebel's Evil Sister

Oh, I see, in order to prove the existence of god, you must first assume that god actually does exist ... and then abandon any attempt to actually prove it (or even to entertain a rational thought). How. Very. Convincing.

3/12/2008 3:21:01 PM

Quantum Mechanic

ha ha ha


idiot

3/12/2008 3:23:23 PM

Evilutionist

Argumentum BecauseISaidSo

3/12/2008 3:27:01 PM

Caustic Gnostic

Useless god, flawed logic.

3/12/2008 3:27:32 PM

Canadiest

If Jupiter started going backwards or something like that, even our moon, then you could determine an unknown outside force is at work.

The fact that our solar system was plotted a long time ago and movements are constant proves a realitively stable system following normal patterns.

No God signs at all

3/12/2008 3:27:37 PM

Mister Spak

The Proof that Allah exists is that without Him you couldn't prove anything..........

I am not saying that professed unbelievers do not prove things....... The argument is that you must borrow from the Muslim worldview, and Allah who makes universal, immaterial, unchanging laws possible in order to prove anything........

In logic, this type of proof is called 'transcendental logic,' or 'the impossibility of the contrary,' where Allah is the basis for any rational thought........ Only the Muslim worldview can logically support rationality........

Fixed. And all your bible proving just proves islam is the real religion.


3/12/2008 3:33:08 PM

Mattural Selection

"Christian", "logic" and "rationality" in the same sentence. I haven't laughed that hard in a long time.

3/12/2008 3:49:57 PM

jesus-face tortilla

"Transcendental logic" is a Kantian term, quite blatantly misused here.

Kant quite eloquently shows the existence of God to be one of the four antinomies of the dialectic.

3/12/2008 3:52:45 PM

werewolf

Okay, I get it. Three syllable words can mask ignorance and stupidity.

3/12/2008 4:10:24 PM

Prager

"Christian (read fundamentalist) logic and rationality" are used to justify misogyny, homophobia, wilful ignorance, superstitions, intolerance and general social backwardness. So it does exist but almost nothing good comes from it.

3/12/2008 4:10:38 PM

Papabear

"The Proof that God exists is that without Him you couldn't prove anything.......... "

To which I can only say "Prove it."


"I am not saying that professed unbelievers do not prove things....... The argument is that you must borrow from the Christian worldview, and a God who makes universal, immaterial, unchanging laws possible in order to prove anything........ "

Christians didn't invent everything in their "Christian world view." Other people had and have had good ideas before and after Christianity reared its head.


"In logic, this type of proof is called 'transcendental logic,' or 'the impossibility of the contrary,' where God is the basis for any rational thought........ Only the Christian worldview can logically support rationality........ "

In reality this type of proof is called "poor thinking" and "arrogant asshattery."

3/12/2008 4:38:25 PM

484

FAIL

3/12/2008 4:38:43 PM

Sparta!!!

@Brain_In_A_Jar:Madness!.... This! Is! Fundie!

3/12/2008 4:40:15 PM

toothache

No. Read "God: The Failed Hypothesis" by Victor Stenger

3/12/2008 4:44:18 PM

anti-nonsense

Wow...that's like...circular logic on steroids.

3/12/2008 4:46:40 PM

booley

"In logic, this type of proof is called 'transcendental logic,'"

No, In Logic this is called a circle.

And it's a FAIL.

3/12/2008 4:52:53 PM

Viva


3/12/2008 5:10:10 PM

Mr Smith

Truth couldn't have picked a worse name...

3/12/2008 5:17:56 PM

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