Now we get to the part where you embarass the entire Darwinist community and end the debate entirely. However, since I know you weren't thinking when you said it, I'll just point it out to you and get a good laugh. "There is no one claiming one species has ever magically turned into another." Hmmm... I suppose you are right. They can't call it 'magic' because that would imply something supernatural. They call it "evolution," but it still reeks of the same dishonesty. Why would you make a statement that completely and utterly undermines your entire campaign against Ben Stein and Fundies? If "no species ever magically turned into another" then we all came to be exactly as we are and only microevolution refined us. The only way we could have come to be exactly as we are is if we were CREATED this way. This would require a CREATOR and thus CREATIONISM or INTELLIGENT DESIGN to have a strong foothold in the discussion. Do some homework, apply some logic to your arguments and think before you speak. It'll save you the trouble of being humiliated in public.
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If "no species ever magically turned into another" then we all came to be exactly as we are and only microevolution refined us.
This is a false dichotomy. The whole point of the theory of evolution is to explain how one species can "turn into" another without magic.
The only way we could have come to be exactly as we are is if we were CREATED this way.
... and Eli knows this because he's a friggin' genius and the entire scientific world should take his word for it?
It'll save you the trouble of being humiliated in public.
How to win a battle you're losing: just declare yourself the winner and withdraw.
"Do some homework, apply some logic to your arguments and think before you speak. It'll save you the trouble of being humiliated in public."
Well said Eli, now if only fundies practiced what they preached...
Do some homework, apply some logic to your arguments and think before you speak. It'll save you the trouble of being humiliated in public.
Mirror mirror on the wall......
"Do some homework,apply some logic to your arguments and think before you speak. It'll save you the trouble of being humiliated in public."
If only fundie irony could be used as fuel OPEC would be out of business in a day.
You just can't imagine it. There might be another way to exist, shit you don't know what it's like to be a cat. What if this planet had a little less gravity, what if we were silicone instead of carbon based, we'd look different and you'd probably still be making the same dumb comments. Intelligence is a human concept and it refers also to functionality, certain animal functions are no good to us, but that doesn't mean it's not intelligent in a certain sense.
Besides, ass hair, not very intelligent, you fucked up god, I don't want or need ass hair.
microevolution refined us
And I guess avalanches don't exist, either. Only single snowflakes, right?
"Do some homework, apply some logic to your arguments and think before you speak. It'll save you the trouble of being humiliated in public."
Is he speaking to us or to himself and his compatriots?
I assume that nuance of "magical transformation" of species , most likely assumed to occur in short order, drastically, and possibly within an individual's lifetime, and gradual transition between species throughout generations, is lost on Eli. Poor, poor windbag...
Even if I did buy this, you haven't begun to prove any certain deity. Also, the intelligent design 'theory,' even if true, doesn't add anything of value to our understanding of the world around us.
To summarize: you fail.
"The only way we could have come to be exactly as we are is if we were CREATED this way."
What is found of ancient life is : We didn't exist, even 3 million years ago, we can't find human remains. We can find primite Apes, monkeys, rodents and such and they're not Gorillas, Mice, sqirrels or such.
Here's the key shit though. We find Reptiles with feathers, we find Reptiles with aquatic development, we find Reptiles that resemble the earlist Mammals.
We're the obvious product of change, that is what's found, we're the youngest species on this planet but we've got anscestors that go back to the beginning of life on this mudball.
The biggest disagreement in evolution is in fact: When do you call it a Mammal and not a reptile?
If "no species ever magically turned into another" then we all came to be exactly as we are and only microevolution refined us.
- False Dichotomy
- Argumentum ad incredulity
- Misunderstanding "microevolution"
- Painfully and purposefully misunderstanding the one arguing for evolution
- Being a serious prick and victim of Dunning-Kruger effect in the last sentences.
I think we all know who won this debate Eli, and it definitely wasn't you.
When did this happen? If the debate was ended entirely ten years ago, why are we still "debating" this with chess-playing pigeons and goalpost-movers?
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We all know who it was that wasn't thinking, dearie.
Yep, no-one but cretinists have ever claimed that one species magically turn into another.
Evolution is not turning one species into another, it's slow development until the species today, and the species in a couple of hundred generations no longer resemble each other, or two branches diverging so far apart that they can no longer replicate with each other. Horses and donkeys are an example of the latter, while dogs are in the process of speciating away from the wolf.
Macro evolution is just a whole lot of micro evolution, dolt!
It's exactly the same as a walk being a whole lot of steps.
No, the "cdesign proponentsists" still has no foothold, strong or otherwise, in the discussion.
We have done our homework, you have not.
We do use logic every day, you do not.
We do think before we speak, you do not.
You're still the ones laughed out of court because you haven't any basis to stand on.
we all came to be exactly as we are
Uh, yeah, of course. "What we are" is "what we have came to be"! Same thing.
Oh, wait, he meant to say "we came into being exactly as we are", didn't he? That didn't make any damn sense until I thought about it for a little while. People who are getting into debates like this should learn to express themselves clearly...especially when half of their "debating tactics" consist of criticizing their opponent's logic. As they say, "those who live in glass houses..."
PS. At any rate, he's contradicting himself. He says we came into being exactly as we are, or at least that's what I assume he meant...but in the same sentence, he says that "microevolution refined us." No, if were always as we are now, there would be no "refining". If there were refining, we weren't created just as we are now. Can't have it both ways.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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