Okay as a scientist I am of course very interested in how sciece relates to the Bible. For quite some time now I have wrestled with the idea of the Laws of Science. I have now come this conclusion: there is no such thing as the Laws of Science. That the Laws of Science are a philosophic invention rather than a scientific fact.
So, let me explain. Take an object like a bunch of keys in your hand and let go. What happens? It falls to the ground. Why? Laws of Science says because there is a magnet in the earth called gravity that pulls all objects down. I think it is because God made it drop and if He had not made it drop it would have hovered about in the air.
In other words everything that happens in the scientific realm happens not because of the Laws of Science but by the direct action of God. The Laws of Science were invented by philosophers to explain away God. Look at Psalm 104:14 to find out why grass grows in your garden.
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When I were five years old, I wanted to be a fire truck when I grew up..
Edit: ok, maybe three years old
as a scientist
Oh really? Let's look at some of the claims made by this "scientist".
For quite some time now I have wrestled with the idea of the Laws of Science.
"Laws of Science" eh? Strike one.
there is a magnet in the earth called gravity that pulls all objects down.
So only magnetic materials are attracted to the Earth? Strike two.
Look at Psalm 104:14 to find out why grass grows in your garden.
And he goes down swinging!
So God follows the Laws of Science then.
Laws of Science --> Behavior of Matter
vs.
Laws of Science --> Hyperpassive God --> Behavior of Matter
FIGHT!
FLAWLESS VICTORY!
OCKHAMTALITY!
Sounds like the Flying Spaghetti Monster - He holds everything down with His Noodly Appendage.
What is the difference between a God that makes everything drop, even a one year old who leans too far out of a window and is dashed to death on the sidewalk, and an impersonal natural force? Besides, why couldn't God build gravity into the universe, as opposed to having to hold everything in place 24/7? Even a moron knows that when the wind is blowing it makes more sense to use a paperweight than to stand there 24 hours a day holding his papers down. Alistair must think God is as stupid as he is.
OK , stop worrying about the creationism verses Darwin's evolution argument.
Lets relive the God as 'Prime mover' verses Newton's mechanics arguments.
The foolish belief in gravity and objects in motion tend to stay in motion verses the observation that if things are moving someone must be moving them and someone must be holding us to the earth.
500 years of progress up in a puff of smoke.
Oh, and I also really like the line "The Laws of Science were invented by philosophers to explain away God." Um, what? So, philosophy = science = not God, eh?
Real science makes predictions that can be tested; the underlying gravitational model can be used to quantitatively predict anything from the mundane, such as the pressure created in pipes from a water tower of a given height, to such wonders as the motion of celestial bodies throughout the universe.
"goddidit" (or, in this case, "goddoesit") cannot be used to make any prediction at all, because it is self-assertedly a position of ignorance of the workings of any kind of underlying model, the unknowable whims of some incomprehensible deity. "goddidit" is not science.
@David D.G
I'm a Thark, even thought I've ticked the "human" box, and Alistair not a scientist.
(Not sure he's actually human; suspect he's from the planet POE.)
Betsy
holy crap, if this guy is a scientist there is no hope for humanity.
Oh, and Alistair, gravity is not caused by a fucking magnet in the god damned earth! It's caused by....oh fuck it, actually gravity is caused by billions of tiny suction cups on the surface of the earth. These suction cups suck everything down towards the earth's surface and are powered by giant hamsters who live in the centre of the earth. Fucking moron.
Look at Psalm 104:14 to find out why grass grows in your garden
Psalm 104:14 "He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth"
But 'He' doesn't causeth my grass to grow for my cattle when I grow it in a water tight bag that doesn't let light in. wtf
Love the "gravity" "arguement" that boils down to: "If God doesn't do it, it doesn't happen."
*kicks fundie* Sorry, God made me do it. *kicks fundie again* Sorry, God again.
Still not up to this whole 'gravity' theory, are you?
If you're a scientist, I'm a god.
Normally, I don't give a 5 rating to something this long, because for something to earn a 5 it has to be simple and INCREDIBLY stupid. This manages to be both AND have plenty of extra words in it to make it seem like there is an explanation behind it X-D
Yes folks, appparently God has nothing better to do than to make sure keys hit the ground.
...Actually, that would explain the whole "wars and evil" thing...
The funny thing is, "intelligent falling" is actually contradicted by the Bible. I'm not going to bother to quote it, but the scene where the Devil tempts Jesus practically flat-out says that God would have to actively interfere to stop Jesus from falling if he were to walk off a cliff. Once again a fundie doesn't even know his own holy book, let alone the reality.
"Okay as a scientist..."
Stop right there. Liar.
I think he forgot to put the quotes around the word scientist.
Unfortunately, from reading his posts, this isn't a Poe. He claims to be an Oxford engineering student.
At least he's not American.
If you were a scientist then you'd know that the earth is being pulled towards the keys as well, not that gravity is a "magnet".
You're a scientist like I'm the president of the moon.
To all the people saying "you're as much a scientist as I am a", you're all wrong.
But on a technicality.
He's even less of a scientist than that. I'm MORE an 80 talking chicken named Denise than Alistair is a scientist.
"hy? Laws of Science says because there is a magnet in the earth called gravity that pulls all objects down."
No, you nitwit, it's because the Earth is really fucking massive.
News flash, Sparky... If you think science says that objects fall "because there is a magnet in the earth called gravity," then YOU ARE NOT A SCIENTIST.
Go directly to Fail. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200.
"Look at Psalm 104:14 to find out why grass grows in your garden."
Is it because of all the bullshit? I hear that makes good fertilizer.
You are no scientist, and no respectable institute or university should employ you.
You are a mind-controlled fundie.
This reminds me of an MST3K episode. An alien placed a guy in a tube with two metal rails which his hands rested on and boasted, "I will now magnetize the rails!" to trap his hands.
To which Crow responded, "Which would mean something if my hands were made of... metal!"
I know your gawd is omnipotent (etc), and also given to being petty, but I really can't believe that he spends so much effort into making these things happen. I'm sure I'd have automated it using things like "gravity", etc.
OK, as a scientist you suck.
magnet in the Earth ? srsly , thats your science ?
try this , climb on a low roof. step off. If God is a kind, loving Father then you will not fall and hurt yourself. Let me know how that works for you .
Okay as a scientist I am of course very interested in how sciece relates to the Bible.
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