[No offense, but the fact that you don't know what to think of a man (Warren Jeffs) who's been convicted on multiple counts of sexual assault and rape is raising some red flags for me.]
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I understand:
You're a rapist.
Er... he got that right, at least -- it deals with (blind) faith and (unquestioning) obedience.
Other than that, rape apologists... eeeh... yeah... I wanna put my fist through something, now.
Faith and Obedience to who? Warren Jeffs? Oh yeah, the prophet says to molest little girls under the guise of marriage so it must be great.
And what about the boys? Everyone goes on about how the girls are treated by the FLDS, but the boys in someways have it worse. They are raised in as much ignorance as the girls and then run off the property by the elders for some stupid little sin. Basically because the elders don't want any competition around.
Ah the hypocrisy. If an atheist were to rape someone then Christians would be all over him as a bad wicked evil person. If a Chrisian does it then they just forgive him and let him go back to doing it, or they pretend it never happened, or they blame some group of people they don't like.
@werewolf: Warren Jeffs is/was the leader and "prophet" of the Fundamentalist Church of Latter Day Saints (FLDS for short), a polygamist cult off-shoot of the Mormon Church, and was until his recent capture and ultimate conviction one of the FBI's most wanted. Basically, they have old men who marry multiple women, often underaged women, then basically treat them like cattle and livestock intended to carry on their lineage. What's worse, they treat girls like property and any young boys that can't find a wife by a certain point (which is often, since the older men have usually taken them all) are run off their land and essentially abandoned to live on their own in a world they know basically nothing about.
Since polygamy is illegal in all 50 states, I don't understand why this has been allowed to get to this point.
Ordinarily I am not particularly fond of the dispensation of Texas justice, but in this case I think they're doing the right thing. What hasn't been said here is that some of these polygamist enclaves are supported by the taxpayer's dollar: the mothers and their children are on welfare. When you have 12 wives and 50 kids and they are all on welfare, that's a shipload of tax money going to support something that is illegal in the first place!
The government places restrictions on religious practice all the time...it outlaws polygamy, rastafarians cannot legally use marijuana, members of the Native American Church (in which mescaline is used in their ceremonies) must be of Native American blood or risk arrest for drug use, there are hoops to jump through to achieve tax exemption, etc. So if there are these restrictions, why are these kinds of things allowed to continue? What are Arizona and Utah doing about their own enclaves of baby rapers?
I think it is fundamentally wrong for the government to tacitly condone this kind of thing by both funding it through welfare and by ignoring the violations of law. The fact that it is cloaked in religious guise doesn't change the fact that what they are doing is illegal...not to mention immoral and hugely damaging to both the women and the children.
This isn't about religious freedom, it is about sex and power and this is one place where the government needs to step in and enforce the laws...stringently.
@ Breestar
Sorry, but I tend to get obtuse and get lost in my own joke.
Actually, I meant to say that polygamy is a crime, slavery is a crime, child abuse and rape of minors is a crime. I refuse to give Warren Jeffs and his contemporaries any more notoriety than they deserve. They are criminals, pure and simple, and should rot in jail for a very long time.
Child abuse and rape warrant no excuse. Neither on the grounds of belief, religion, culture or faith.
This is evil manifest.
@sweet violet
all i have to say is look at scientology, somehow they can get themselves called a religion despite having things in their history such as trying to raid government offices, numerous attempts to ruin people's reputation for speaking out against them, and a whole lot of other crap. Heck you even need to pay (lots and lots) money to see the entirety of the "religous beliefs".
"It deals with faith and obedience, not logic."
Where do people get the balls to say things like that in public?
"It deals with faith and obedience, not logic."
Ah, a new twist. Truth for Jesus.
@ werewolf+others
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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