[The sinister effects of growing up with Disney's "Pinnochio"]
The youth of the Pinocchio era are the leaders of our country, policies. legal systems and society today. And what, may I ask, happened to prayer in school? To the Ten Commandments in public places? To Christianity in general? Hasn't Satanism become an official "religion" today? And Paganism? And how might you suspect the separation of church and state, which is NOT in the Constitution but was rather a letter from an early president to a pastor promising no national religion, became a law of the land? Maybe this multi-level inference is not as far-fetched as you might think.
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Correlation does not imply causation. That has never been more laughably clear than when reading your baseless rant.
Also, the words "separation of church and state" is a description of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, as well as being the explicit term used to describe a similar policy mentioned in the Treaty of Tripoli.
OK. OK. I'm fine with that. I've seen the heavy research that went into proving how the Wizard of Oz books were tools of the evil elite that desensitize young minds to satanism and paganism. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that some fundie got a Pinocchio-fetish and had to do up a webpage about the evils of Pinocchio. I'm waiting to hear about the subtle wiccan symbolism of 'Bedtime for Frances' next.
But I will concede these pages are written by stupid useless waste-of-dna whackjobs spending time on finding evil in children's stories, all too likely to be helping to support REAL evil in their real life.
I can't stand people like this, they have no idea of how much they have to be thankful for. Nothing has happened to prayer in schools if someone wishes to pray then they can and if you want to wear a shirt in public with the ten commandments on it you can. This is a great deal better than a lot of places in the world you ungrateful disrespectful little sod.
Oh, THAT'S why I'm an atheist! It's not because there's no proof of god's existence or that Christianity makes absolutely no sense to me. It's because I watched Pinocchio about fifty times as a kid. It all makes sense now!
@Illuminatalie: I used to own Bedtime for Frances! Also Bread and Jam for Frances, which was my favorite because it was about food. I still remember the hard-boiled egg she gets when she stops eating exclusively bread and jam, with "a little packet of salt to dip it in."
(This has been a glimpse into MysticalChicken's childhood memories. Please exit via the door on your left. Thank you.)
"And how might you suspect the separation of church and state, which is NOT in the Constitution but was rather a letter from an early president to a pastor promising no national religion, became a law of the land?"
And I quote: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Um, where does Pinocchio come into the picture?
And, have you ever actually read the constitution? No, I didn't think so.
Privately, anyone who wants to pray can do so; no one stops them. But, they are to do it privately; it is not a collective activity for the whole class in a public school system.
Wanna' pray to pass a test? Go right ahead. Wanna' pray the bully doesn't beat you up and take your lunch money? Go ahead. No one is fucking stopping you from saying your prayers.
CAPAlert is right. Pinnochio is based on Kabbalistic tales of the golem - a doll or puppet brought to life through occult means. It teaches children to "wish upon a star" (worship of the heavenly bodies is forbidden in Scripture) rather than pray to God for their needs. I'm not sure I would draw all of the inferences the poster above does, but he does have a point.
I'd call Poe, but this website seems legit.
Pinocchio is to blame for society's ills?
PINOCCHIO??? You need to get out more. A LOT more.
[And how might you suspect the separation of church and state, which is NOT in the Constitution...]
Yes, it is. Look it up.
[...but was rather a letter from an early president to a pastor promising no national religion, became a law of the land?]
Prove it.
So, just because you can't get special rights, aren't allowed to push your religion on others, and have to share the planet with Pagans, Wiccans, Witches, and a wide variety of others-- wait, what the hell does "Pinocchio" have to do with this?
And what, may I ask, happened to prayer in school? To the Ten Commandments in public places? To Christianity in general?
Science happened. It's funny how people throw off an inconvenient lie they've been lumbered with when they're presented with facts. Oh, and most of us got fed up to the back teeth with having to kiss fundie ass 24/7 just to avoid being socially black listed and to keep our jobs.
And how might you suspect the separation of church and state, which is NOT in the Constitution but was rather a letter from an early president to a pastor promising no national religion, became a law of the land?
The separation of church and state was discussed in The Federalist Papers . The content of that book was penned by various authors quite some time prior to any American president assuming power.
As to why this separation was (and still is) considered vital to the proper running of a government you may want to review the religious history of the UK. I'll give you a hint: The head the state was also the head of the Church of England.
Does CAP stand for "Crackpots and Phonies"?
Concerned Christian
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2008-May-18 02:13 AM
CAPAlert is right. Pinnochio is based on Kabbalistic tales of the golem - a doll or puppet brought to life through occult means. It teaches children to "wish upon a star" (worship of the heavenly bodies is forbidden in Scripture) rather than pray to God for their needs. I'm not sure I would draw all of the inferences the poster above does, but he does have a point.
It's just a shame that his point is to be found at the top of his head.
I'm so disappointed CAP Alert doesn't have a review of Aladdin. I enjoy mocking people who read too much into Disney movies, but I haven't found a really fundy attack on Aladdin yet. Which is too bad because not only is there magic and thievery, there are Those Darn Islamics. Fundies could do a lot with it. And I could do a lot with what they did with it...
And how might you suspect the separation of church and state, which is NOT in the Constitution but was rather a letter from an early president to a pastor promising no national religion, became a law of the land?
The law of the land is the Constitution and the Supreme Court's interpretation of it; not the Danbury Baptist letter. The current interpretation is best expressed in the SCOTUS decision, Lemon v. Kurtzman. In that decision, the judges actually said "Our prior holdings do not call for total separation between church and state; total separation is not possible in an absolute sense." So, no, the phrase "separation of church and state" doesn't enter into the current ban on school prayer, religious displays on public property, etc. So this is a straw man argument.
@ Darth Wang:
No, it's legit.
@ LadyJafaria:
I read a rant *somewhere* not too long ago from some fundy parent who shit a brick because the Sultan makes reference to Allah at one point in the movie ("Oh my Allah" or something) and so she was boycotting Disney in her household, getting rid of all of her kids' Disney-related stuff, etc.
I wish I were kidding...
So, uh, a fairy story about a little puppet who becomes a real boy will be the downfall of the world?
What about Sleeping Beauty? Is that okay?
@Darth_Toxic: Yes, I think the phrase was "Allah forbid you have any daughters" or something like that. He was venting his frustration to Rajah after Jasmine turned down a snotty suitor.
*sigh* Never mind that the word Allah was probably only mentioned once in the entire movie and that kids probably didn't catch it anyway. Oh, no, the entire company of Disney needs to be avoided like the plague for the one reference. Way to drain all the fun out of life and promote your stupidity, fundies.
When I was growing up in Los Angeles, there was an Italian restaurant my family sometimes visited named "Pinocchio West."
Now, every time I hear Pinocchio, I think of pizza.
Mmmmm, pizza.
@ Sisyphus
#543005
The answer to your question is that 'gay' means what the speaker intends it to mean. It is valid to speak of a gay woman, and equally 'gay people' refers to all same-sex oriented people whatever their gender. However, it can also mean just homosexual men, which is why the phrase 'gay and lesbian' is often used. Language is not the same as mathematics, alas.
The Church of Village Idiots is doing fine, apparently.
Re Pinocchio, it's bad enough that the kid has obvious wood, but to reduce the pastor to the stature of a cricket, well that done went too far.
Making up history again, I see....
Thar goes them fundies, lyin' fer Jesus, ah reckin.
Sweden WAS a Christian nation when I grew up; we had a state church and everything. I had a religious teacher during the first three years in school, and we sang a hymn at the beginning and end of each school day. I don't remember the Ten Commandment being posted in public places, nor any prayers in school, beside the hymns that is. The hymn at the beginning of the day went something like "Your bright sun rises again, I thank thee my God. With strength and courage and new-born hope, I raise the sound of joy".
So, with all this religious indoctrination of the young, how does CAPAlert explain the fact that Sweden is now one of the most non-religious countries in the world?
Is the guy who runs CapAlert still alive? I emailed him to tell him to watch The Nightmare Before Christmas because its not on his reviews. He hates Halloween and if a movie about Christmas or has Christmas calls it an offence to God if it doesn't have the nativity. He couldn't review Bad Santa and needed someone else to do it.
So his reaction if he did watch The Nightmare Before Christmas?
I am going to try to explain how this film, which was labeled PG by the MPAA, earned a R-equivalent final score, making it a lite R-PG. If I sound like a Bible-thumpin' tent preacher then so be it. Puss in Boots is a prime example of an aphorism I coined more than a decade ago: We have become so numbed by the narcotics of progressive moral decay and use of extremes in and as entertainment that what once was morally unacceptable has become morally invisible. - TC
While there is nothing particularly sexually explicit in this film, I feel this analysis should carry a WARNING since the focus of the entire film is clearly on a euphemism of the most foul of the foul words. And every advantage of the phonic similarity is taken by the writers, even in the wife's name change traditionally performed through marriage.
Meet the Fo...s is the sequel to Meet the Parents of 2000. Following is a scoring data comparative for your convenience. Morally speaking, Meet the Fo...s is another pea in the same pod except this 2004 pea has been spiced with significantly more language and sexual immorality material than the 2000 pea. Makes sense. For two reasons. The very name of this 2004 film is sexually oriented. And it has been four years further into moral decay since the 2000 version
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