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I too am a Christian and my campaigns are always in congress with the catechism. Alignment is based on Christian Ethics, and there is only one God. All other false gods are treated as demons. This has allowed my gaming group to enjoy the fun of gaming, while not risking their immortal souls.

[Another poster asks: I'm not seeing why pretending that Christianity is false endangers anyone's soul. Does performing an Ancient Greek play in which other gods exist endanger anyone's soul?]

Yes. Ideas are powerful. While the greeks contributed much to western civilization, one must always be wary of the pagan underpinnings of their writings. Honoring a false god, even if you are only playing a character, puts your mind and soul in harmony with the darkness. Not to mention much of the morality advocated in such plays is entirely un-Christian. I know such beliefs are out of fashion these days, but this is how I feel. You cannot expect me to do something that I feel goes against my religion just because you feel differently. Mind you, I am not in the habit of denouncing role playing games or even Harry Potter. I just want my campaigns to be wholesome. I would prefer there be no misunderstanding when I appear before St. Peter.

[Gets called a troll and a sock puppet]

I am not a troll. Unfortunately my strong Christian views did get me kicked off the previous RPG forum I was on. I do tend to a splash wherever I go.

Perhaps you are protestant. Catholics are not free to interpret scripture to their tastes. I do not believe it is correct for a lay person to read a translation of the Gospels and believe that they know what Jesus intended to say. I don't know why you think I live in fear. I live in joy knowing that Jesus died for my sins and that the true God is a God of love. I try as hard as I can to live according to Catholic teachings, and to be a good person. I also do believe that evil people will suffer eternally for their choices.

Since it has come up though, I find it interesting that people react so strongly when you advocate a set of Christian precepts that acknowledge the existence of evil. Yet when people advocate the most horrendous things in the name of tolerance and relativism, no one bats an eye.

UncleAthanas, RPG.net 42 Comments [5/28/2008 5:35:39 PM]
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Fek'lhr

I actually played D&D online with a really cool guy that was a Catholic. He had a couple of characters that followed "Lathander" and we would smite undead and say funny things like "we are doing the Lord's work", and we would even pray in the temple and stuff like that.

However, it was all about fun. We emulated Catholic type worship as part of our roleplay as Lathander followers. Ultimately, we were still running around with swords and chopping bad guys.

FACT: Playing D&D has never made me worship a demon. People that think like this are plain old nuts.

5/28/2008 5:49:13 PM

anonymous_troy

I have lots of fun pretending that Christian beliefs are true, it's hilarious...

5/28/2008 5:50:36 PM

Epic Wolf

Please don't ever play any online games. I don't want to be proselytized by a gun toting dude in Metal Gear Online.

@Fek'hlr
I always had that feeling you were a geek. :P
@Fek'lhr (again)
MTG owns. I bet I could beat you.

5/28/2008 5:53:41 PM

Grigadil

I FINALLY GOT IT!!1! "GOD" IS A RPG CHARACTER!

...

What does he do?

[sorry about the shouting...]

5/28/2008 5:54:02 PM

Funnyguts

I'm curious to see what he thinks about Lord of the Rings considering Tolkien's religious views.

5/28/2008 5:55:54 PM

Me

"Alignment is based on Christian Ethics, and there is only one God. All other false gods are treated as demons. This has allowed my gaming group to enjoy the fun of gaming, while not risking their immortal souls. "

I seeeeee.


5/28/2008 5:59:09 PM

Chamale

One time, there was a guy proselytizing in an online game of War Rock. Luckily, he was on the other team, so I got a sniper trained on him. Whenever he started, our guy would shoot him in the leg.

5/28/2008 6:10:10 PM

Alcari

FACT: Playing D&D has never made me worship a demon.
Tell that to Alcar, level 12 cleric, forced to abandon Heironeous in the face eternal damnation by Demogorgon.

5/28/2008 6:21:45 PM

Eden


I live in joy knowing that Jesus died for my sins and that the true God is a God of love.


It may be that the true god is a god of love.
Fact however is, that in this case the true god cannot be the god YHWH who is described in the old testimony.

5/28/2008 6:24:25 PM

The Watcher

Can you imagine what this guy would do if he had to write a story for a creating writing class? Being a good little fundie, I'm sure he'd write a story that promotes Christianity. Fine, whatever, he can write whatever he wants.

But the story couldn't have any bad guys, non-believers, or heathens in it. Because you wouldn't want to espouse any values you disagree with, would you Uncle? Even if it was in the mouths of bad people and they all get smited in the end. Is that about right?

5/28/2008 6:29:11 PM

Fek'lhr

*I always had that feeling you were a geek. :P *

Gee, was it the parading around like I was a Klingon? You must not have seen any of my Magic:The Gathering posts...:P


5/28/2008 6:34:26 PM

aaa

Err... what?

5/28/2008 6:39:32 PM

avowed_cynic

At least he's got good grammar.

Chamale: that is the most awesome thing ever.

5/28/2008 6:54:41 PM

Ryushikaze

So... is he admitting that Yahweh is a false god, too?

5/28/2008 6:57:35 PM

spooky

Oh good god, I read this on RPGnet, I was thinking that this guy was made for FSTDT

5/28/2008 6:58:31 PM

Brenz

He seems like a harmless sort.

But man, I'd be crying in my whiskey if RPG users on the internet ganged up to tell me I was lame.

5/28/2008 7:13:14 PM

Seeker in the Dark

I've played RPGs for over 15 years, and for honesty's sake, I have to admit I believe in God. I have been inspired by real-life religion in much the same way as Fek'lhr, and enjoyed myself for all those years, without fear of becoming a devil-worshipper. All I have to say is this: this UncleAthanas guy is just a whining prick...

I read somewhere (sorry, I don't have a quote) that Gary Gigax, the creator of D&D, was a Jehovah's Witness. The first "Monster Manual" ever published had all sorts of demons and devils, but angels (or rather, angel-like creatures, to be more accurate) were a later addition. Wizards and witches were considered to be just as capable of doing good as any other character. None of this seem to bother him in any way, despite his (possibly) fundie beliefs.

If UncleAthanas is so Christian, he certainly believes that his God is omniscient. So then how come He can't make the difference between real beliefs and make-believe (and for that matter, why would He give a f**k about a damn game, of all things???) If his games are so "in congress with the catechism", how does he reconcile using God in his campaign with the whole "Thou shalt not say my name in vain" rant? Bet he didn't think about that one... All this to say, whether you believe in God or not, it makes no difference: this guy is still an idiot who barely understands what he's ranting about.

And anyways, it's just a game damnit! If he thinks it's oh so dangerous to play RPGs, why does he still take the "risk"??? So he can whine about it and act holier-than-thou in front of others? Please, tell this guy to get a life!!!! (I would tell him to get laid, but I doubt a fundie role-playing geek ever would...)

5/28/2008 7:14:24 PM

John

They're not denying the existence of evil - they're denying that reading Greek plays or playing games causes evil. Where in the Catholic interpretation of the Bible does it say you can catch "teh evils" just by playing games?

5/28/2008 7:46:19 PM

Old Viking

Another important issue, fearlessly addressed.

5/28/2008 7:57:22 PM

Fanatic-Templar

Hey, if his players enjoy his setting, he's free to do as he pleases. I run low-magic (though not 'low magic for the players only') games and I know many people hate those kinds of settings.

5/28/2008 7:59:14 PM

BeemerRefugee1990

Bet he's one of the "Pokemon is Satanic" crowd.

I knew several D&D guys in school. They'd actually talk about same before Catechism class, and while we were waiting for our parents to collect us. (You want a shining example of "Christianity?" Go wait outside your local church on a Sunday, and observe the post-service goings-on in the parking lot.)

<< I do not believe it is correct for a lay person to read a translation of the Gospels and believe that they know what Jesus intended to say. >>

Hey, finally! Good of ya to own up to that!

5/28/2008 8:16:38 PM

booley

I feel obligated to point out that most gamers are not nuts. even the Christian ones;-)

5/28/2008 8:47:47 PM

Beeblebrox

I don't know why you think I live in fear.

I just want my campaigns to be wholesome. I would prefer there be no misunderstanding when I appear before St. Peter.

Apparently people think you live in fear because you're worried that Jehovah's gatekeeper won't understand that playing "Let's pretend" games doesn't affect your core beliefs.

...I find it interesting that people react so strongly when you advocate a set of Christian precepts that acknowledge the existence of evil.

People don't get upset when the existence of evil is acknowledged. People become irate when things like playing "Let's pretend" and the performance of ancient Greek plays are classed as "evil".

Unfortunately my strong Christian views did get me kicked off the previous RPG forum I was on.

Your misfortune was the birth of their sighs of relief.

I want so badly to send you my +5 Helm of Rational Thought.

Chamale, you are now one of my personal heroes. I laughed so hard I almost coughed up a lung.

5/28/2008 8:59:21 PM

Mister Spak

"I find it interesting that people react so strongly when you advocate a set of Christian precepts that acknowledge the existence of evil. Yet when people advocate the most horrendous things in the name of tolerance and relativism, no one bats an eye. "

That's because your christian precepts are horrendous. For example you are intolerant. Any decent person would react strongly.

Perhaps the problem is that you don't know Catholics aren't christian.

5/28/2008 10:06:48 PM



"I do not believe it is correct for a lay person to read a translation of the Gospels and believe that they know what Jesus intended to say"

Wow, so people aren't even encouraged to reach their own conclusions about jesus now? This explains why so many Christians seem to have never read the bible. "Don't worry about the text, its way to complex for you to understand by yourself (it was written by god after all), just do what the paster says and agree with whatever he thinks."

5/28/2008 11:04:51 PM

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