Separate entity from mother. All its chromosomes intact. Grows on its own. It is a child from conception.
Non-fucking-sentient; not a person! It is the mind that defines a human being, not the mere vessel it is carried in, and the ball of cells that you insist on calling a "child" doesn't have the necessary neural equipment to make the existence of a mind even possible for much of its developmental period.
6/11/2008 9:18:26 PM
It's not separate from its mother (ever heard of an umbilical cord?) and it doesn't really grow on its own (take it out too soon and it'll die).
There's no contradiction between pro-life and pro-choice. I want every child conceived to be born if possible (ever hear of spontaneous abortions?) but at the samt time I recognize that some women feel they can't raise a child for their own reasons and I'd much rather they be able to end their pregnancy safely than unsafely (eg in a hospital rather than a back alley or bathtub).
6/11/2008 9:21:48 PM
"You and I don't have the right to murder human beings"
What if those babies are gay? Or muslim terrorists? Surely you have the right to murder those! What a farce it is, to hear these anti-abortionists droning on about how each life is precious, and will then support going to war and killing a bunch of lifeforms that are quite easily determined to be human, without spending 10 minutes of their precious leisure time to find out if it is even NECESSARY.
6/11/2008 9:33:04 PM
There's nothing new here.
6/11/2008 9:34:19 PM
None of those terms apply because no one promotes killing babies for the sake of killing babies. Supporting the choice of the mother is just that, supporting the choice of the one woman carrying that one fetus.
I support that with every breath of my being.
I do not, however, support anyone who intentionally kills a living, breathing human being.
I may be persuaded to support killing psycho's though, if you just keep giving me reason to.
6/11/2008 9:34:31 PM
I believe that in the case of possible risk to the mother, rape, or other cases where the child would do no better to grow up, it's a much better option.
Yes, it's the beginnings of a human being, but it is not conscience, and there is nothing to be lost besides emotional damage if it is euthanized.
6/11/2008 9:41:07 PM
6/11/2008 9:49:04 PM
So much fail in so few words. Amazing.
6/11/2008 9:52:54 PM
Separate entity from mother.
With nothing that functions in any capacity on it's own.
All its chromosomes intact.
This is true. Not that it's all the relevant
Grows on its own.
By leeching off the mother, sure.
It is a child from conception.
No. It's a cell. If it's a cell from conception, then the argument can be made that masturbation is mass murder.
There is no such thing as the "anti-choice" movement.
You seek to strip a woman of the CHOICE to terminate a pregnancy if she feels she is incapable of dealing with it. Sounds pretty anti-choice to me.
Such a name would apply to pro-life if it didn't have anything to do with human right's. The pro-life movement is a pro-human right's movement.
Right up until that human takes it's first breath. Then you could care less.
Terms that can be applied. Pro-murderer.
Murder denotes sentience.
It is not an infant!
You are forcing a woman to carry a child she feels she's incapable for caring for. You are forcing a child into a compromised life. Who's not compassionate?
Pro-okay with making the 'choice' to murder.
Is there an echo in here?
Death denotes it's alive...hell, even aware. In the case of the vast majority of abortions, it doesn't even have a brain yet, let alone any cognitive skills.
Pro-sick in the head.
There's that echo again...
You and I don't have the right to murder human beings, therefore that option SHOULD be removed from the table as a "choice."
You don't have the right to tell a person what they can do with their own body.
Pro-choice as defined by the pro-abortion movement is an abomination to human rights.
Uh-huh...you're advocating rights by stripping people of their rights for the sake of the potential people.
6/11/2008 9:58:02 PM
Allegory for Jesus
What defines a "separate entity"? Do viruses qualify? How about bone marrow? Sperm and egg cells?
Do cancer cells count as something as having individual rights because they can grow? Do Mitochondria in our cells get defined as different from the host cells due to their differing DNA?
And why is it okay to label people you disagree with when you condemn the very attitude when applied to you?
Sigh...I hate the abortion debate. So simplistic...so childish...
6/11/2008 10:05:48 PM
Doesn't the Bible say it's not alive until God breathes life into it?
"Separate entity from mother. All its chromosomes intact. Grows on its own."
So removing a tumor is murder?
6/11/2008 10:14:59 PM
Alrighty, if it's a separate entity from the mother, I propose you remove them from the uterus and try to incubate them without the mother. Her rights are served and the separate entity's life is preserved... until it dies anyway. Then YOU would be the murderer. See? Problem fixed.
1) Aaron, unless you have a uterus, you have no place telling those who do what they should do with theirs.
2) Unless you want to redefine life as starting when capable of surviving outside the mother's womb, then give up this line of reasoning.
3) Keeping things as they are is the best for everyone. The practice is controlled, regulated, and limited in scope while still providing safety to those who need the procedure.
6/11/2008 10:16:37 PM
Wow. This is one of those times when I think:
"If you don't agree with abortions, then don't have one. It's not your body, your child, your life, or any of your business."
Seriously though. If someone choose to have an abortion, how does it affect you? Really. If you're not comfortable with abortions, don't get one. But it's not fair for anyone how to live their lives or what to do with their bodies and their children.
6/11/2008 10:21:00 PM
Human rights for the 'pre-humans.' Not so much for the actual humans... Makes a lot of sense, yeah.
6/11/2008 11:29:46 PM
Even I, who believes abortion should be discouraged, laughed at that.
6/11/2008 11:46:49 PM
"You and I don't have the right to murder human beings,"
You know unless it was decided in court or if we're going to war against those goddarn muslims.
6/11/2008 11:50:08 PM
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the human blastocyst and early embryo visually resemble other mammals'?
6/11/2008 11:57:45 PM
A mass of replicating cells is not a human being.
6/12/2008 12:37:21 AM
I just had to watch a video showing the development from fertilized egg to birth. Embryos look like tadpoles or lizards.
6/12/2008 12:43:45 AM
Just another loser pissed at females because none of them will give him any.
6/12/2008 1:01:41 AM
Human right's what? You're missing a possession here.
6/12/2008 1:07:59 AM
Teenage temper tantrum.
6/12/2008 1:09:16 AM
Ooh, I like pro-psycho the best.
6/12/2008 1:13:35 AM
You know most pro-choice people don't believe abortion is the greatest thing going. It's just you people make such a big deal about contraception that a lot of people don't know the other options.
6/12/2008 1:22:19 AM
If it's a separate entity from the mother, which can grow on its own, then why are you so upset that we want to separate the two?
6/12/2008 3:47:35 AM