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I am not a scientist but I am a teacher (not in florida). I am a Christian and personally believe in intelligent design. However, I do not believe it is my place to force Christianity into the classroom either. I will live my life as a Christian and feel free to share my faith when necessary and unforcefully. Anyway, I don’t think anyone will get anywhere in this argument. First, even if there was a “Big Bang” where did the first big rock come from and what hit it? Even science can’t explain something coming from nothing. On the flip-side even Christians can’t explain when or how God began. All I know is that science can only explain so much and so does the bible. So, it’s faith in either God or Science. Faith that God did it or that science will discover it. I personally believe that science studies God’s creation including scientific laws. I also believe that there are some things in the Holy Bible that will better understood in the end. Even the gospels told of secrets that were not shared with the masses. Also, who can argue that evolution exists? That’s fact!!! The argument is creation v. just happening.
-tgilmer

tgilmer, Church of the FSM 43 Comments [7/8/2008 9:53:13 AM]
Fundie Index: -22
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#577230
Anna Ghislaine

Aw, and you started off so well.

7/8/2008 10:17:17 AM

#577270
vampirehummingbird

I spent time SQAing educationl software. The programmers did a good job, but the text written by teachers was riddled with blatant ignorant inane errors, especially when they wrote about something outside of their majors. Why do teachers believe that they are such a fount of knowledge?

For America to survive, educational standards for teachers (and pay) need a major raise.

7/8/2008 10:48:48 AM

#577306
theTambo

Well at least s/he recognizes the veracity of evolution and seems willing to keep her beliefs to herself in the public square.

7/8/2008 11:14:33 AM

#577334
Katsuro

Not all that fundy really. In places it's actually relatively reasonable, especially when compared to the usual nutters we get on here.

7/8/2008 11:43:27 AM

#577387
aaa

Only a bit fundie.

7/8/2008 12:19:41 PM

#577411
Razakel

Refreshingly unfundie.

7/8/2008 12:32:38 PM

#577434
Mister Spak

" All I know is that science can only explain so much and so does the bible. "

The things science can explain increase every day. The bible hasn't changed in 2000 years.

"So, it’s faith in either God or Science. Faith that God did it or that science will discover it."

Is the computer you posted this with powered with prayers?

"Also, who can argue that evolution exists?"

Lots of retarded fundies.

"The argument is creation v. just happening. "

The argument is evolution vs. goddiddit.

7/8/2008 12:48:38 PM

#577458
Boadicea

Why is it always "science OR the Bible" with these people? You can't believe in both?

Someday, I hope these people figure out that science answers "How" and the Bible talks about "Why". Using the Bible to answer "How" questions is like using a cookbook to fix your car - not exactly helpful.

7/8/2008 1:11:39 PM

#577474
Delmania

This quote doesn't really belong here. While I don't agree with her claim that it's "either God or science", I really can't argue with anything else she's saying.

7/8/2008 1:21:12 PM

#577502
The Jamo

"Also, who can argue that evolution exists? That’s fact!!!"

You're correct!

7/8/2008 1:46:25 PM

#577564
JESUS PLEASE COME SOON!

Meh. The bit about the big bang was silly, but overall this person doesn't seem too unreasonable... just a bit ignorant of science. At least [s]he understands why religion doesn't belong in the classroom.

7/8/2008 2:18:13 PM

#577593
Cabal

First big rock?

The Big Bang is not a big rock, it's a series of tubes (in spacetime)

7/8/2008 2:39:05 PM

#577630
chaosmage

" Not all that fundy really. In places it's actually relatively reasonable, especially when compared to the usual nutters we get on here."

QFE.

7/8/2008 3:17:21 PM

#577666
Lucilius

Gee, I hope you're not a science teacher.

7/8/2008 3:39:22 PM

#577684
JewBoy

Oh, come on. This is not fundy at all. Religious != fundy.

7/8/2008 3:44:49 PM

#577713
Pedantic Twit

@Boadicea: It depends on what you mean by "believe in the bible." If you mean that it is factually accurate, then yes, belief in the bible is opposed to the scientific method.

And I think you meant XOR.

7/8/2008 3:58:26 PM

#577807
CalcSwamiS

Who approved this one? This is actually a pretty reasonable argument this guy is making. He realizes that science can't explain everything (true) and that perhaps religion has a place in those gaps. It's not unreasonable to believe that a God could lie in those unexplainable gaps in science. The question is really whether such gaps are big enough to warrant a God; atheists would generally argue that they are not, but given how much we still do not know about the universe, there may be more unknowable gaps than we think, giving room for the possible (although perhaps not probable) existence of a God. Anyway, just had to get that out there.

7/8/2008 4:55:52 PM

#577815
Antichrist

even if there was a “Big Bang” where did the first big rock come from and what hit it?

Holy fuck, we got to start paying teachers more. Maybe we can get someone in there with more than two brain cells. I don't want this level of stupidity anywhere near my child.

7/8/2008 4:59:14 PM

#577833
John_in_Oz

Um- that rock.
You thought the bang was one rock hitting another? No wonder you have a hard time believing it.

7/8/2008 5:07:19 PM

#577870
David G

I kept expecting him/her to fly off into ultracrazyland towards the end, but it remained refreshingly unfundie. tgilmer has his/her beliefs.

7/8/2008 5:29:01 PM

#577872
cool cats

Not fundie, just an average Christian.

7/8/2008 5:30:50 PM

#577903
Comicartist

This I must say does not strike me as very fundie at all.

7/8/2008 5:43:36 PM

#577960
David D.G.

Admittedly, this isn't as fundie as most of the stuff we see here, and a lot of it truly is downright reasonable, especially coming from a Christian. However, I feel it my duty to respond to a couple of sentences in particular:


First, even if there was a “Big Bang” where did the first big rock come from and what hit it?

It appears that this "teacher" needs to do a little LEARNING. This is an appalling (and downright childish) misrepresentation of the Big Bang. I don't care if he/she teaches English, math, social studies, or gym -- this level of ignorance is painfully embarrassing (or ought to be).


Even science can’t explain something coming from nothing.

Quantum fluctuations. Look 'em up.


~David D.G.

7/8/2008 6:05:27 PM

#577973
Allegory for Jesus

Good for the first five sentences.
After that: matter in the big bang is unknown, and nothing hit it.
And I am not quite sure whether she concludes with sarcasm or not...but I assume so...

7/8/2008 6:09:44 PM

#578050
Pyroclasm

Not really that fundie.

7/8/2008 6:38:41 PM
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