Quote# 44781

Marriage Is Already Open to Everyone.

In the first place, no law in any state in the United States now or ever has forbidden homosexuals to marry. The law has never asked that a man prove his heterosexuality in order to marry a woman, or a woman hers in order to marry a man.

Any homosexual man who can persuade a woman to take him as her husband can avail himself of all the rights of husbandhood under the law. And, in fact, many homosexual men have done precisely that, without any legal prejudice at all.

Ditto with lesbian women. Many have married men and borne children. And while a fair number of such marriages in recent years have ended in divorce, there are many that have not.

So it is a flat lie to say that homosexuals are deprived of any civil right pertaining to marriage. To get those civil rights, all homosexuals have to do is find someone of the opposite sex willing to join them in marriage.

In order to claim that they are deprived, you have to change the meaning of "marriage" to include a relationship that it has never included before this generation, anywhere on earth.

Just because homosexual partners wish to be called "married" and wish to force everyone else around them to regard them as "married," does not mean that their Humpty-Dumpty-ish wish should be granted at the expense of the common language, democratic process, and the facts of human social organization.

However emotionally bonded a pair of homosexual lovers may feel themselves to be, what they are doing is not marriage. Nor does society benefit in any way from treating it as if it were.

Orson Scott Card, Civilization Watch 70 Comments [8/13/2008 3:49:46 AM]
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Redface

It's hard to imagine that this dude wrote Ender's Game. That's sad.

8/13/2008 3:56:34 AM

kingoftheheavies

Extra-large word salad, please.

8/13/2008 4:02:13 AM

James

Similarly, Iran has full freedom of religion. All you have to do is find a mosque that doesn't care if you are Christian.

8/13/2008 4:06:58 AM



This is the same fucking science fiction author?! Thank goodness I never had to read Ender's Game in high school, I'd have been fucking embarrassed if I had liked it. Where the fuck does this douchebag of an asshat get off thinking he can impose his doctrine on people who just want a damn recognized civil union?

8/13/2008 4:07:57 AM

Enkidu

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r292/safe-keeper/EqualLegalRights.jpg

8/13/2008 4:17:15 AM

AetherTide

The Government would call this 'marriage fraud' I expect.

8/13/2008 4:17:26 AM

AetherTide

The Government would call this 'marriage fraud' I expect.

8/13/2008 4:17:26 AM



http://peachfront.diaryland.com/enderhitlte.html

Hah, his literature IS shit. Look at this essay a writer wrote about OSC's garbage. She tears it apart!

8/13/2008 4:21:22 AM

Osiris

Ha ha. Nice try but sorry. One size fits all laws don't work.

8/13/2008 4:23:00 AM

Beeblebrox

Having read your vile statements, Orson, I can only conclude that your opposition to gay marriage stems from the fact that it would be personally inconvenient for you.

Just because homosexual partners niggers wish to be called "married" "free" and wish to force everyone else around them to regard them as "married," "free" does not mean that their Humpty-Dumpty-ish wish should be granted at the expense of the common language, democratic process, and the facts of human social organization.

Notice how the obvious root of your statements is revealed for one and all with just some minor editing. Is any of that kind of stuff starting to sound familiar?


8/13/2008 4:31:09 AM

Akage

This might be the most vile piece of trash on this entire site. And to think, the guy who wrote Ender's Game is babbling about this horrible nonsense.

I remember why I don't come to the main page much anymore. This is absolutely putrid.

8/13/2008 4:47:11 AM

Em

Too retarded for words. I got nothin'.

8/13/2008 5:11:41 AM

Damen

Funny how these people think it's just hunky-dory to tell people they can only marry those they're not attracted to.


8/13/2008 5:16:05 AM

Rallymodeller

Never did like the books (the original short story was OK, even if one of it's primary plot tools -- the Ansible -- was flagrantly plagiarized from an earlier SF work), but hey. Look where this gay-bashing comes from: Card is a Mormon Elder.

I quote a much, MUCH better SF writer (icon, actually):

"You just have to go to the Church of Your Choice."
"They have religious freedom?"
"No, just the Church of Your Choice. Your choice, my choice, their choice, everybody's choice!"
Robert Heinlein, "To Sail Beyond the Sunset"

8/13/2008 5:25:34 AM

Nowonmai

Orson, for such an 'educated' man, you are one dim bulb.

There was a time, not too long ago, that my 'interractial' marriage was also illegal.

No one is asking you to marry a guy, so shut the fuck up, and go back to writing SciFi.

8/13/2008 5:35:24 AM

myheadhurts

Something tells me that a lot of things simply fly over your head or at it. Dogs have always been free to mate with cats. Not the point and very unlikely to happen.

8/13/2008 5:36:26 AM

Smith

God damnit Orson. I used to like you.

8/13/2008 6:13:34 AM

apYrs

"However emotionally bonded a pair of homosexual lovers may feel themselves to be, what they are doing is not marriage."

Plain lie, or complete citations needed.

"Nor does society benefit in any way from treating it as if it were."

Society doesn't do everything it does just for benefit, there is fairness, compassion, equity, and civilisation to consider. If society only did things that benefit it, then a lot of peole living and getting 100% care and financial benefits would be "let go".

This man is pure phail. And a vile person.

8/13/2008 6:22:27 AM

FreshClaire

Noo! Not Card!

8/13/2008 6:26:06 AM

Professor M

OSC turned into a theocratic douche about fifteen years ago. This seems to be associated with his writing turning from decently-crafted schlock to steaming piles of crap.

Doesn't surprise me that he's now praising marriage law for its "majestic equality" -- though unlike Anatole France, he isn't being sarcastic.

8/13/2008 7:27:53 AM

Jay-Sus

I'd like an extra large word salad with ignoramus dressing. Can I get some crispy fail strips on it too?

8/13/2008 7:37:04 AM

Natasha

"In order to claim that they are deprived, you have to change the meaning of "marriage" to include a relationship that it has never included before this generation, anywhere on earth"

Whoa there Orson, you might want to hire a fact-checker, because that is not true at all. Homosexual marriages occur in many other cultures on earth. Just like polygynous and polyandrous marriages occur, despite it not being part of your definition of marriage. Marriage does not belong to your religion!

8/13/2008 7:50:23 AM

Over it

Removing things from the definition of marriage only adds to its power. The stuff that stays is the good stuff.

I'd love it if marriage was simply defined as a binding contract of love.

You seem to want more red tape. Makes you a bigot for excluding only those people not like you.

8/13/2008 8:41:40 AM

Xotan

"...Any homosexual man who can persuade a woman to take him as her husband can avail himself of all the rights of husbandhood under the law...."

What a basis for a happy marriage. You really are a mindless fool. Think it through. Or a you too much of a religious gobshite to be able to do that?

8/13/2008 9:22:12 AM

Grimesy

Wow, you truly are stupid. Besides, since when were gays forcing people to do anything. I give you a rating of Dickhead to the power of three.

8/13/2008 9:34:55 AM

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