Quote# 58834
[Except you can’t prove those statements without citing the Bible, which is where the beliefs came from. Circular logic]
All correct logic is circular, nitwit. Consider this statement:
-My food is cold because of the refrigerator.
-The refrigerator works because my food is cold.
The coldness of the food and the refrigerator’s ability to cool the food are proven in tandem. So are God and the Bible. All correct logic is circular, since human knowledge of the going-ons of the world is finite. Granted, once you start talking with the LORD, logic is not necessarily circular, as His knowledge is infinite. However, since He is the cause of all, the point is moot. All proofs must fit into the great circle of logic, or else they are untrue.
Bob Corker,
Calvinists4Conservatism 66 Comments [2/15/2009 3:02:07 AM]
Fundie Index: 10
Submitted By: Elephant Bones
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#900126
Blackvoice
WHAT?!
2/15/2009 3:05:44 AM
#900132
C_V
I...wait, what?
2/15/2009 3:09:36 AM
#900134
Atroi
That's not circular logic, that's retarded logic!
2/15/2009 3:10:33 AM
#900139
Zoo
O_o
I don't think that's circular logic because there are certain proven assumptions outside those two statements (refrigerators cool things, broken refrigerators do not cool things). Even if it was, it's a very simplistic example that doesn't prove that circular logic is always correct.
2/15/2009 3:13:44 AM
#900145
xplicit_UK
I think you're confusing logic with semantics. In your two sentences you basically said the same thing twice, just in a different word order.
I don't know much about logic (actually, I know nothing about logic) but I would expect the argument to go like:
- A sign of a working refrigerator is that food stored inside is colder than the ambient temperature.
- The food in the refrigerator is colder than the ambient temperature.
-> Therefore, the refrigerator works.
But even that is disregarding dozens of other reasons why the food might be colder, such as ice stored nearby etc.
So for your "logic" to work you'd need something like:
- A sign for the existence of the Christian god as depicted in the Bible is (...)
- (...) is true.
-> Therefore God exists.
And of course you will have to deal with every single refinement your critics have to offer as well.
2/15/2009 3:16:42 AM
#900146
filenotfound
Isn't Calvanists4Conservatism a Poe site?
2/15/2009 3:17:05 AM
#900149
solomongrundy
Wow.
Just, wow.
I have to believe this is a Poe, just to preserve my own sanity.
Edit: Ah, I see it's from Calvanists4Conservatism so it is a spoof. Phew.
2/15/2009 3:18:13 AM
#900151
PsyDan
Reasoning and Critical Thinking: Fail!
2/15/2009 3:19:16 AM
#900156
Mike
2/15/2009 3:21:54 AM
#900158
LabRat
the refrigerator works because my food is cold.
Of course the refrigerator is not plugged in since it broke down last year and I've had my food out on the patio where the temperature is 10 degrees but hey, my food is cold so the refrigerator must be working.
2/15/2009 3:22:43 AM
#900170
WMDKitty
-My food is cold because of the refrigerator.
-The refrigerator works because of science.
-Ergo, science keeps my food cold.
*THAT* is how logic works, dumbass.
2/15/2009 3:29:46 AM
#900175
I think he's confusing 'circular' and 'consistent' logic, but what he has there only vaguely resembles logic of any sort.
2/15/2009 3:32:26 AM
#900187
Wehpudicabok
Colorless green ideas sleep furiously, nitwit.
2/15/2009 3:41:15 AM
#900203
nlesni01
That is without doubt out of the stupidest things I have ever read!
2/15/2009 3:49:44 AM
#900219
DevilsChaplain
The refrigerator works because your food is cold? You're an imbecile.
2/15/2009 4:08:21 AM
#900235
Thinking Allowed
Circular word salad?
2/15/2009 4:23:34 AM
#900261
Mezza73
2/15/2009 4:40:40 AM
#900264
Darwin
He may be correct, my brain froze while I was reading that.
2/15/2009 4:42:03 AM
#900285
Tolpuddle Martyr
Someone has to do it...
REFRIGERATORS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!
2/15/2009 4:58:40 AM
#900296
Darwin's Lil' Girl
...
Well I've been told.
2/15/2009 5:09:20 AM
#900299
Reckoner
I fucking hate Calvinists.
2/15/2009 5:09:34 AM
#900364
Porter
I'd expect logic to be linear instead of circular.
Circular logic is what you people use when talking about the Bible.
2/15/2009 6:25:19 AM
#900385
a mind far far away
So they finally admit that their "logic" is circular, but then try to defend circular logic. This one's going on the refrigerator.
2/15/2009 7:00:02 AM
#900390
Oy Vey!
LabRat
The weather is cold because your food is on the patio.
2/15/2009 7:09:19 AM
#900400
Nowhereman
2/15/2009 7:40:06 AM
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